Relaxation of restrictions Part II

Speakerboxx · 02-05-2020 11:56PM

Lads lads lads number are still high and inconsistent. This phasing of things could be a disaster if things go bad again. Could very well happen. This virus is gonna be around for another while yet. Not confident that we will get the better of it anytime soon.

SusieBlue · 03-05-2020 12:09AM

Speakerboxx wrote: »

Lads lads lads number are still high and inconsistent. This phasing of things could be a disaster if things go bad again. Could very well happen. This virus is gonna be around for another while yet. Not confident that we will get the better of it anytime soon.

The current numbers are a reflection of the complete mismanagement of the nursing home and care facilities around the country by the government. The are not a reflection of the efforts of the majority of Irish people to abide by the rules.
They were concentrating so hard on ensuring no one went more than 2km away from their homes that they completely neglected to properly protect our most vulnerable elderly citizens.
They are using these numbers as a means to enforce the current lockdown when the lockdown has no effect on the outbreak in nursing homes.

alwald · 03-05-2020 12:11AM

I was quite busy today with no time to spend on internet...I started looking at this thread few minutes ago and the level of whinging is unreal...it's time to close it again...good luck to all!!

timmy_mallet · 03-05-2020 12:12AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Well... I have a reasonably solid understanding of what I've been reading for the last month about the virus, and I'm guessing you're at a similar level.

And yes.. there is no proof of anything.. Which is why lauding and promoting Herd Immunity is misleading.

They are one of our best ways to achieve herd immunity, - Your words. A suggestion of Herd immunity existing as something that can be achieved. Which it hasn't been. Otherwise, you would have provided evidence of it.

Any evidence to support that theory? Oh, of course not, you don't need evidence to prove immunity. How naive I must be... :rolleyes:

> 3m cases. 0 reinfections.

(Ps; if herd immunity cant be achieved, say goodbye to a vaccine)

(Pps; free Joe exotic)

normanoffside · 03-05-2020 12:15AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Well... I have a reasonably solid understanding of what I've been reading for the last month about the virus, and I'm guessing you're at a similar level.

And yes.. there is no proof of anything.. Which is why lauding and promoting Herd Immunity is misleading.

They are one of our best ways to achieve herd immunity, - Your words. A suggestion of Herd immunity existing as something that can be achieved. Which it hasn't been. Otherwise, you would have provided evidence of it.

Any evidence to support that theory? Oh, of course not, you don't need evidence to prove immunity. How naive I must be... :rolleyes:

If heard immunity does not exist then say goodbye to a vaccine because vaccines works off the same principal.

Either way we have to get on with it.

riclad · 03-05-2020 12:19AM

Many people are working from home and taking
care of children. it's not easy for most people to stay
at home most of the time even if
they are single or have no children. I think the restrictions
will be lifted in phases as the no of infections
falls. Other country's have beaten
the virus like new Zealand
It will take a heavy toll on the economy
as many shops and cafes are closed with zero income
its going to take at least a year for tourism in ireland
to recover. Many people may not want to travel
on an airplane for a year or more depending on how long
it takes to make a vaccine or they may not be able to
afford it if most country's are in a recession

SusieBlue · 03-05-2020 12:20AM

alwald wrote: »

I was quite busy today with no time to spend on internet...I started looking at this thread few minutes ago and the level of whinging is unreal...it's time to close it again...good luck to all!!

Talk about attention seeking. This isn’t an airport, there is no need to announce your departure.

alwald · 03-05-2020 12:29AM

SusieBlue wrote: »

Talk about attention seeking. This isn’t an airport, there is no need to announce your departure.

Feel free to type any nonsense from your keyboard. The fact is the current restrictions apply to all of us regardless if we agree or not...complain and whinge as much as you want but nothing is changing so it's pointless.

um7y1h83ge06nx · 03-05-2020 12:31AM

Fair play to ye lads, great stuff overall.

Kermit.de.frog · 03-05-2020 12:31AM

No country has "beaten" the virus. Restricting it is temporary and it's unknown about how seasonal it may be.

The 1918 Spanish Flu second wave was far worse than the first a couple of months later.

We have been here before

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bloodless_coup · 03-05-2020 12:33AM

There's definitely not enough good stuff on Netflix to last a year. You'd get through all the half decent stuff in two weeks.

Seems to be a common line thrown out that people who call for an end to lockdown are weak. To me the weak and scared are those who want to curl up in a ball and live in isolation for the foreseeable future.

easypazz · 03-05-2020 12:45AM

alwald wrote: »

Feel free to type any nonsense from your keyboard. The fact is the current restrictions apply to all of us regardless if we agree or not...complain and whinge as much as you want but nothing is changing so it's pointless.

Speak for yourself. Fact is I exited lockdown yesterday.

Life is good, post lockdown, thanks.

um7y1h83ge06nx · 03-05-2020 12:47AM

Yeah, your man on the telly is a bit off his head alright, sound enough if he was sedated I'd say.

normanoffside · 03-05-2020 12:50AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Meanwhile

Fearful Britons remain strongly opposed to lifting lockdown

Just one in five want schools, pubs and restaurants to be reopened, according to new poll by Opinium

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/02/fearful-britons-oppose-lifting-lockdown-schools-pubs-restaurants-opinium-poll

Stop posting stuff in bold. You are not actually that interesting or important.

LiquidZeb · 03-05-2020 12:55AM

road_high wrote: »

That's when the fun starts...posters like this are in still la la land with the delusion we can all sit at home watching Netflix "chillin" and the world will continue on. Seems to be still over 50% of the Irish population stuck here unfortunately for them.

They do remind me of the lads saying at the start of WWI who said it'd all be over by Christmas. We know what happened then

FintanMcluskey · 03-05-2020 12:56AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

No country has "beaten" the virus. Restricting it is temporary and it's unknown about how seasonal it may be.

The 1918 Spanish Flu second wave was far worse than the first a couple of months later.

We have been here before

Are you over the age of 102?

Kermit.de.frog · 03-05-2020 01:06AM

LiquidZeb wrote: »

They do remind me of the lads saying at the start of WWI who said it'd all be over by Christmas. We know what happened then

Your analogy is for the people wanting to lift restrictions.

No one else is saying it's over by x, quite the opposite.

The small clique here are obviously in some way exposed perhaps more than others and so it's fair enough for them to be scared and insulting to others. I understand the frustration.

It does not change the facts of the situation and the situation is pretty dire.

But I personally think acceptance rather than denial is the best policy to go with because then you can plan ahead for possibly (but hopefully not) hard times.

With denial comes unpreparedness which is even worse.

RugbyLad11 · 03-05-2020 01:06AM

bloodless_coup wrote: »

There's definitely not enough good stuff on Netflix to last a year. You'd get through all the half decent stuff in two weeks.

Seems to be a common line thrown out that people who call for an end to lockdown are weak. To me the weak and scared are those who want to curl up in a ball and live in isolation for the foreseeable future.

Exactly! I think the people who want to get on with life are the opposite of weak

easypazz · 03-05-2020 01:13AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Your analogy is for the people wanting to lift restrictions.

No one else is saying it's over by x, quite the opposite.

The small clique here are obviously in some way exposed perhaps more than others and so it's fair enough for them to be scared and insulting to others. I understand the frustration.

It does not change the facts of the situation and the situation is pretty dire.

But I personally think acceptance rather than denial is the best policy to go with because then you can plan ahead for possibly (but hopefully not) hard times.

With denial comes unpreparedness which is even worse.

The lockdown is done. It failed.

Kermit.de.frog · 03-05-2020 01:20AM

easypazz wrote: »

The lockdown is done. It failed.

growleaves · 03-05-2020 01:23AM

Wow.

Posters are still retailing extremely-unlikely-but-not-impossible worst-case scare scenarios.

Spanish Flu second wave. No immunity.

When will you stop your lying, emotionalism and spin? Why should the worst case scenarios from history jump up out of nowhere?

The yellow journalism (social media version) continues.

Kermit.de.frog · 03-05-2020 01:40AM

growleaves wrote: »

Wow.

Posters are still retailing extremely-unlikely-but-not-impossible worst-case scare scenarios.

Spanish Flu second wave. No immunity.

When will you stop your lying, emotionalism and spin? Why should the worst case scenarios from history jump up out of nowhere?

The yellow journalism (social media version) continues.

Waves are the typical evolution.

The Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy in the US has the 3 scenarios outlined

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Even JP Morgan has the scenario outline for it's clients

The outlook this year is not good and those who reopen too soon will have the more difficult time reimposing the measures to re-contain it.

We don't want to be in that nightmare.

But sure keep the fingers in your ears, lalalalala, you have your belief and not science.

patnor1011 · 03-05-2020 02:59AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Waves are the typical evolution.

The Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy in the US has the 3 scenarios outlined

Even JP Morgan has the scenario outline for it's clients

The outlook this year is not good and those who reopen too soon will have the more difficult time reimposing the measures to re-contain it.

We don't want to be in that nightmare.

But sure keep the fingers in your ears, lalalalala, you have your belief and not science.

You can not contain virus unless you order everyone in the house for 2-3 weeks with no exception. None. Then go from house to house and burn those with dead people inside.
Since it cant be done this illusion of a lockdown is pointless excercise.

gozunda · 03-05-2020 03:05AM

SusieBlue wrote: »

The current numbers are a reflection of the complete mismanagement of the nursing home and care facilities around the country by the government. The are not a reflection of the efforts of the majority of Irish people to abide by the rules.
They were concentrating so hard on ensuring no one went more than 2km away from their homes that they completely neglected to properly protect our most vulnerable elderly citizens.
They are using these numbers as a means to enforce the current lockdown when the lockdown has no effect on the outbreak in nursing homes.

Firstly outbreaks in nursing homes / care homes is not solely an Irish problem. Countries such as the UK and Sweden have seen a massive spike of outbreaks in such settings. Yes more could have been done to lock these down - however one of the most basic problems is that people living in care homes etc cannot socially isolate or effectively cocoon from each other or staff members. They are living together in large at risk groups.

Staff and those responsible for provisining travel to and from the wider community into care homes. And It only takes one asymptomatic case for the infection to spread like wildfire in such settings.

And yes the need for restrictions have got everything to do with existing and potential outbreaks in care homes

Infection spreading in the wider community risks being brought into care home settings

People not observing the restrictions also increases the risk to everyone else including those with long term illnesses and the elderly in care homes.

There have been calls to lockdown staff in care homes to help reduce this risk. Will that work. That I dont know tbh.

Tell me how · 03-05-2020 03:12AM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

People have put their lives on hold for weeks now and there was very high compliance with the restrictions and what did we get yesterday from Varadkar?

Absolutely nothing.

You got a plan.

For the last couple of weeks people have been saying 'I'm fine with restrictions, as long as they tell us what the plan is'. They did, and while most people were watching him read his notes last night, some one was moving the goal posts.

While I'm at it, not aimed at you in particular Gg35, but for others, a couple weeks ago, Simon Harris was ripped to shreds for having a brain freeze when speaking in an official capacity but in a less formal setting. Last night, Leo ensured that that didn't happen, and guess what, more complaining.

Saw one prominent Twitter commentator say today that the only thing different between Trump and Varadkar is a 30 year age gap. Ffs, I am starting to see many peoples true motivations being laid bare in how they are reacting to a government finally seemingly acting in the interest of the people. They didn't necessarily want a government doing the right thing, they wanted it to be their people in government.

And once again, here is my disclaimer before I am accused as being a mouthpiece. I have never voted for a FG candidate in my life.

Kermit.de.frog · 03-05-2020 03:19AM

patnor1011 wrote: »

You can not contain virus unless you order everyone in the house for 2-3 weeks with no exception. None. Then go from house to house and burn those with dead people inside.
Since it cant be done this illusion of a lockdown is pointless excercise.

We have no choice.

Don't re-impose measures and the health system is over run within weeks so not only do you have a spiralling COVID death toll but you have growing deaths from other illnesses.

It is far from a pointless exercise. It could not be any more needed.

If we want to avoid that we need to be extremely careful about how we go forward from here.

ceadaoin. · 03-05-2020 03:36AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

We have no choice.

Don't re-impose measures and the health system is over run within weeks so not only do you have a spiralling COVID death toll but you have growing deaths from other illnesses.

Growing deaths from other illnesses is already happening even with lockdowns and measures in place, and not because the health services are overrun.

patnor1011 · 03-05-2020 04:15AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

We have no choice.

Don't re-impose measures and the health system is over run within weeks so not only do you have a spiralling COVID death toll but you have growing deaths from other illnesses.

It is far from a pointless exercise. It could not be any more needed.

If we want to avoid that we need to be extremely careful about how we go forward from here.

We do have choice. Only about a third of countries imposed such restrictions yet we are being told there is no choice?
I do not know. Our health system has been overrun for quite some time. Miraculously we no longer have these problems? We are kidding ourselves that we can somehow make situation better. Where are those troley counts right now?
Nowhere to be seen as hospitals are suddenly half empty waiting for that covid patients surge which is not materializing. And no, it is not due to "lockdown" because with this halfmeasures with people still allowed to go shopping as they please or "excercising" and tens of thousands still working in "essential services" this is no lockdown.
These restrictions are causing more pain and future suffering than this virus.

snowcat · 03-05-2020 08:06AM

patnor1011 wrote: »

We do have choice. Only about a third of countries imposed such restrictions yet we are being told there is no choice?
I do not know. Our health system has been overrun for quite some time. Miraculously we no longer have these problems? We are kidding ourselves that we can somehow make situation better. Where are those troley counts right now?
Nowhere to be seen as hospitals are suddenly half empty waiting for that covid patients surge which is not materializing. And no, it is not due to "lockdown" because with this halfmeasures with people still allowed to go shopping as they please or "excercising" and tens of thousands still working in "essential services" this is no lockdown.
These restrictions are causing more pain and future suffering than this virus.

This lockdown is a bit of a joke really. I see people flouting the restrictions everyday and the Gardai dont seem to have no interest in enforcing it. You can do basically whatever you want as long as you have the right answer in case you meet a checkpoint.

lawrencesummers · 03-05-2020 08:16AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

No country has "beaten" the virus. Restricting it is temporary and it's unknown about how seasonal it may be.

The 1918 Spanish Flu second wave was far worse than the first a couple of months later.

We have been here before

New Zealand has done an excellent job on it, i would go as far as to say they have beaten the virus, if this turn out to just be the opening round of three I have a lot of confidence they will be able to do the same. Same with South Korea.

Comparisons with 1918 are a pointless. We didn’t have anything like todays medicine back then, the world was still 20 years away from penicillin, Scarlet fever, TB and measles were rampant. Childbirth had staggering mortality rates. There were no GP’s no pharmacies, underlying conditions were all undiagnosed, Clean water was non existent, people lived in far more cramped and unhygienic conditions.

Over 100’years later The world is a far far far different place medically and socially.

Relaxation of restrictions Part II

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