Covid19 Part XVI- 21,983 in ROI (1,339 deaths) 3,881 in NI (404 deaths)(05/05)Read OP

timsey tiger · 02-05-2020 02:14PM

hmmm wrote: »

Introducing a lock-down when public support wasn't there would have been a disaster. We'd have needed heavy-handed enforcement by the Guards which is not part of who we are.

As it is compliance has been mostly great, and most people have understood the need for personal responsibility.

Well, that's just your opinion, not a fact.

bekker · 02-05-2020 02:18PM

Listened to discussion Cormac ó hEadhra earlier.

It's seems very clear from comments made that the community testing, track and trace situation is not fit for purpose going forward. Also became clear that the 100,000 test 'capacity' is another meaningless headline.

Hospital testing situation seems satisfactory, but implementing care home staff weekly retesting is going to take huge chunk of community testing capacity.

24-48 hr turnaround is vital to have the effective track and trace necessary to prevent new clusters developing and the 'roadmap' becoming a 'one step forward, two steps back' farce.

A suggestion was made that a specialist group be formed of industry technical specialist familiar with system development and scaling to get the job done quickly. This to be outside of DOH/HSE control as this is an area in which they have no expertise and lack the mindset necessary to achieve a quick and effective result.

Unless we get to a position of tracing contacts within 48 hours of a person testing positive we won't have a viable path to implementing the calendar envisaged in the roadmap.

cnocbui · 02-05-2020 02:21PM

timsey tiger wrote: »

Well, that's just your opinion, not a fact.

And that's just fine.

ZX7R · 02-05-2020 02:25PM

Hego Damask wrote: »

Micheal O Leary was saying July flights would resume, but I go to ryanair.com now and I can buy a flight from Dublin-Barcelona from May22 - May 24 ?

Why are that site still taking bookings ? surely that's illegal, especially when their CEO has said it will be July earliest when Ryanair resumes flights

Nothing illegal in it,
There basing flights on estates when other countries are quoting relaxing of flights in there countries.
For example Poland are planning on resuming flights the 9 of may as part of their easing of restrictions.
Flights to Poland can be booked from that date.
Even know Ireland only has an advisory for Irish people not to fly.

owlbethere · 02-05-2020 02:33PM

ZX7R wrote: »

Nothing illegal in it,
There basing flights on estates when other countries are quoting relaxing of flights in there countries.
For example Poland are planning on resuming flights the 9 of may as part of their easing of restrictions.
Flights to Poland can be booked from that date.
Even know Ireland only has an advisory for Irish people not to fly.

That advisory is a pack of sh1t. We saw what happened from the Cheltenham goers. There's probably many people who thinks this virus is just a little cold and they could continue with any holiday plans and take the virus home with them.

Strazdas · 02-05-2020 02:34PM

bekker wrote: »

Listened to discussion Cormac ó hEadhra earlier.

It's seems very clear from comments made that the community testing, track and trace situation is not fit for purpose going forward. Also became clear that the 100,000 test 'capacity' is another meaningless headline.

Hospital testing situation seems satisfactory, but implementing care home staff weekly retesting is going to take huge chunk of community testing capacity.

24-48 hr turnaround is vital to have the effective track and trace necessary to prevent new clusters developing and the 'roadmap' becoming a 'one step forward, two steps back' farce.

A suggestion was made that a specialist group be formed of industry technical specialist familiar with system development and scaling to get the job done quickly. This to be outside of DOH/HSE control as this is an area in which they have no expertise and lack the mindset necessary to achieve a quick and effective result.

Unless we get to a position of tracing contacts within 48 hours of a person testing positive we won't have a viable path to implementing the calendar envisaged in the roadmap.

I would imagine they are aware of all this though. One of the key factors in lifting restrictions this year will be successful large scale testing and contact tracing. This has been widely discussed already, long before that radio show today.

owlbethere · 02-05-2020 02:51PM

When will libraries be allowed open?

Stheno · 02-05-2020 03:01PM

owlbethere wrote: »

When will libraries be allowed open?

June 8

Gynoid · 02-05-2020 03:02PM

owlbethere wrote: »

That advisory is a pack of sh1t. We saw what happened from the Cheltenham goers. There's probably many people who thinks this virus is just a little cold and they could continue with any holiday plans and take the virus home with them.

There has to be quarantine post travel. Forms filled in. It is going to be hard for some I know who live in Europe but work here. Normally they go home every second weekend or so to their families if on the continent and take a days leave to extend, some go to UK every weekend. So now they have to choose either stay there and no work or come here and no family visits. Or I guess move families here. A lot of people have been disrupted far more than the ones missing pints or haircuts.

Polar101 · 02-05-2020 03:05PM

gabeeg wrote: »

Five days after the 29th, Holohan was telling us that the risk of contracting the virus here in Ireland was "extremely low".

I wonder if he knew how many thousands of times that would be posted on boards.ie in hindsight.

02-05-2020 03:06PM

timsey tiger wrote: »

On the gov.ie site they have a bar chart, that shows the age profile of the cases. The first five bars (10 year bands) have a lower cumulative total than the last and biggest bar 65+.

One could wonder why the first 3 groups with very low numbers are not joined together, to allow the 65+ group to be split into 65-75, 57-85 and 85+. I suspect each of these would have greater numbers than the first three combined.

It reflects who is getting tested, not who contracted it

shinzon · 02-05-2020 03:08PM

Stheno wrote: »

June 8

That's if everything goes well and the numbers stay down, wish people would remember that and not get there hopes up that the advisory roadmap is just that and the dates are not set in stone.

Virus spikes and all of that goes out the window tbh

Shin

02-05-2020 03:10PM

Hego Damask wrote: »

Micheal O Leary was saying July flights would resume, but I go to ryanair.com now and I can buy a flight from Dublin-Barcelona from May22 - May 24 ?

Why are that site still taking bookings ? surely that's illegal, especially when their CEO has said it will be July earliest when Ryanair resumes flights

There are a small number of flights still operating for essential travel

sterz · 02-05-2020 03:12PM

shinzon wrote: »

That's if everything goes well and the numbers stay down, wish people would remember that and not get there hopes up that the advisory roadmap is just that and the dates are not set in stone.

Virus spikes and all of that goes out the window tbh

Shin

And if the numbers fall drastically and we can see good results in other countries relaxing restrictions, will they speed up the process?

Ger Roe · 02-05-2020 03:17PM

Polar101 wrote: »

I wonder if he knew how many thousands of times that would be posted on boards.ie in hindsight.

Re : Risk of contracting the infection in Ireland is low.....

The quote has to be taken in context, and as he explained it ..... it was low at that particular time. He never said that the risk of infection was always going to be low - quite the opposite in fact, therefore we introduced restrictions.

hmmm · 02-05-2020 03:29PM

Polar101 wrote: »

I wonder if he knew how many thousands of times that would be posted on boards.ie in hindsight.

The risk was very low - at the time. And you could argue it's still low.

gabeeg · 02-05-2020 03:51PM

Ger Roe wrote: »

Re : Risk of contracting the infection in Ireland is low.....

The quote has to be taken in context, and as he explained it ..... it was low at that particular time. He never said that the risk of infection was always going to be low - quite the opposite in fact, therefore we introduced restrictions.

He didn't say low. He said extremely low.
And this is while community transmission was already occurring.

20 days later we had over 1,300 known cases despite having done relatively few tests.
He was completely and utterly wrong. And he should have known better.

bodhrandude · 02-05-2020 03:55PM

I presume that you can travel from city to city by the middle of July hopefully.

bekker · 02-05-2020 03:59PM

Strazdas wrote: »

I would imagine they are aware of all this though. One of the key factors in lifting restrictions this year will be successful large scale testing and contact tracing. This has been widely discussed already, long before that radio show today.

Well aware of all of that, the two elements I highlighted, were lack of capacity to carry out weekly retesting of care home staff and formation of a non-DOH/HSE, expert group to develop fast integrated system of information flow and tracing within a defined time frame.

They may well be aware of that, they have been aware of many things, based on experience to date, I have no confidence in ability of administration to deliver effective joined-up methodology and system implementation.

hmmm · 02-05-2020 04:00PM

gabeeg wrote: »

He didn't say low. He said extremely low.
And this is while community transmission was already occurring.

20 days later we had over 1,300 known cases despite having done relatively few tests.
He was completely and utterly wrong. And he should have known better.

20 days later we had 1300 cases in a population of over 4.5 million, and you're saying that at the time he said the risk of getting it was "low" he was "completely and utterly wrong"?

Exaggerate much?

timsey tiger · 02-05-2020 04:03PM

Deleted User wrote: »

It reflects who is getting tested, not who contracted it

Elementary, dear raind. The question is the presentation, not the fact.

Non solum non ambulabit · 02-05-2020 04:05PM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

99 currently in ICU

Excellent news

Non solum non ambulabit · 02-05-2020 04:07PM

hmmm wrote: »

The risk was very low - at the time. And you could argue it's still low.

For sure it's still low. Stay away for hospitals and care homes and people who work or visit those locations and it's extremely low.

caveat emptor · 02-05-2020 04:31PM

hmmm wrote: »

20 days later we had 1300 cases in a population of over 4.5 million, and you're saying that at the time he said the risk of getting it was "low" he was "completely and utterly wrong"?

Exaggerate much?

I see the semi pros are out in force. All hail the CMO.

NetChat101 · 02-05-2020 04:34PM

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

Does anyone know when we can do the Hokey Pokey again?

Cos that's what it's all about!!!!

shinzon · 02-05-2020 04:41PM

sterz wrote: »

And if the numbers fall drastically and we can see good results in other countries relaxing restrictions, will they speed up the process?

They will probably stay cautious but you never know

Shin

jill_valentine · 02-05-2020 04:44PM

People taking the piss altogether today. "Some restrictions loosened on Tuesday" has been taken to mean "Go absolutely ape**** on Saturday". There was a full scale street party going on around the corner?!?

I'm pro transparency as a rule, but I'm starting to understand why governments might parcel stuff out in small doses. A lot of people are just too stupid and too short sighted to be trusted to use common sense.

shaveAbullock · 02-05-2020 04:51PM

Something has changed today for sure. Just back from Tesco. People had been very compliant before. But now it's just large groups of people handing around in different aisles using Tesco as a social meeting point. It makes it very difficult from anyone who wishes to just get in and out and you can forgot about the 2m rule, it's not possible with so many groups of people.

munsterlegend · 02-05-2020 04:52PM

jill_valentine wrote: »

People taking the piss altogether today. "Some restrictions loosened on Tuesday" has been taken to mean "Go absolutely ape**** on Saturday". There was a full scale street party going on around the corner?!?

I'm pro transparency as a rule, but I'm starting to understand why governments might parcel stuff out in small doses. A lot of people are just too stupid and too short sighted to be trusted to use common sense.

The fine weather and long bank holiday weekend definitely has people out. Still observing social distancing though from what I can see.

JPCN1 · 02-05-2020 04:53PM

timsey tiger wrote: »

Well I didn't say lack of balls for no reason.

Leaders are supposed to lead, not follow public opinion.

The man hid behind the members of the party when it came to Maria Bailey. They had to make the decision for him. Now he's hiding behind Holohan.

Covid19 Part XVI- 21,983 in ROI (1,339 deaths) 3,881 in NI (404 deaths)(05/05)Read OP

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