Covid19 Part XVI- 21,983 in ROI (1,339 deaths) 3,881 in NI (404 deaths)(05/05)Read OP

splinter65 · 01-05-2020 11:11PM

Stheno wrote: »

I thought Leo did well to be honest, for me he gave me goals, and explained several real life examples of how the easing would work, while balancing the reality that we cant stretch the limits of any easing

And I admired him for saying they did get stuff wrong like the ppe etc and admitting there will need to be changes in the future

I thought it was very balanced tbh and I tend to consider him to be quite robotic

I’m not a fan of Leo at all. I’ve been disappointed in him overall since he’s been Taoiseach. But there isn’t another elected TD that could have done any better then him in this crisis. Every world leader has been blindsided by this.
It nearly killed Boris (literally).
Bitching about him because he came on tv hours after a meeting and didn’t have all the nitty gritty tripping off his tongue is evidence of terrible immaturity.

NegativeCreep · 01-05-2020 11:15PM

Is trump still not doing a briefing? I miss watching it, it was funny

stephenjmcd · 01-05-2020 11:15PM

fritzelly wrote: »

My thoughts too - don't be an arsehole and we can start opening up again

On the cusp of controlling it or being overrun by it if you think your street/birthday/any other excuse party takes priority

Yeah and look I was annoyed during the week that there wasn't a plan and it didnt look like we'd get dates, but now we've dates assigned to each stage, gives everyone something to work towards. Plus if things are going well certain aspects could move into an earlier stage.

Hopefully we dont have to stop moving into the next stages or pausing but I'm more optimistic than I was previously. Back in the office at some point during the summer and I'll be able to meet friends soon and we can visit the local in august all going well.

Strazdas · 01-05-2020 11:18PM

splinter65 wrote: »

I’m not a fan of Leo at all. I’ve been disappointed in him overall since he’s been Taoiseach. But there isn’t another elected TD that could have done any better then him in this crisis. Every world leader has been blindsided by this.
It nearly killed Boris (literally).
Bitching about him because he came on tv hours after a meeting and didn’t have all the nitty gritty tripping off his tongue is evidence of terrible immaturity.

People pointing out on social media that if that had been Johnson or Trump, they would have tried to spoof their way through that part of the interview (so used are they to lying to and deceiving the public)......they wouldn't even dream of looking for notes to double check if what they are saying is true.

iguana · 01-05-2020 11:23PM

splinter65 wrote: »

Every world leader has been blindsided by this.

Say that to Moon Jae-in. A fuçking religious cult spread deliberately infected 1000s of people in Korea and they still got on top of it. Not only suppressing the spread of the virus and ensuring a mortality rate proportionally over 50 times less than ours. But being in a position to study the virus in every single way it presents, from severe to mild cases. The world is a bit bigger than a bit of Europe and the US. Plenty of world leaders have done a truly excellent job.

Wibbs · 01-05-2020 11:26PM

splinter65 wrote: »

I’m not a fan of Leo at all. I’ve been disappointed in him overall since he’s been Taoiseach. But there isn’t another elected TD that could have done any better then him in this crisis.

Which one could suggest says as much about our elected TD's as anything.

Every world leader has been blindsided by this.
It nearly killed Boris (literally).

I agree, but we have examples of authorities that have done better and for a while too. Whatever about the early days of Cheltenham and all that, where everyone was running on WTF?, we're pretty deep into it now with over 1200 dead and our response might be best described as mediocre. The ups and downs of testing, the blindsiding regarding the nursing homes, when very early in it was clear this virus was killing elderly people in droves elsewhere, to the point where advice was given that it's grand to visit your elderly relatives, the proper contact tracing only apparently kicking in today and going forward, the statement that asymptomatic spread was of little risk weeks after the WHO and anyone with a working search engine knew it was, the border control and quarantine that was so vague that 20 families of Travellers were able to come into the country in the middle of our lockdown with no resistance, in a convoy of cars and caravans and illegally set up camp in the middle of the country and on government land(and it doesn't matter that they were Travellers, that anyone could do that is insane).

Bitching about him because he came on tv hours after a meeting and didn’t have all the nitty gritty tripping off his tongue is evidence of terrible immaturity

I'd agree 100% with that alright. Given the circumstances I don't think he did badly at all in this case.

Iamabeliever · 01-05-2020 11:28PM

coastwatch wrote: »

Teagasc

The Irish beef sector is extremely export dependent
with over 90% of production exported in 2014, with the
overwhelming majority of this beef was exported to the EU
market.

https://www.teagasc.ie/media/website/publications/2016/Beef-Manual-Section1.pdf[/quote

2020?

podgeandrodge · 01-05-2020 11:28PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Not a hope bars will be opening back up.

They need a plan, tell people what they want to hear... A second wave will happen before then unfortunately and will put a stop to bars opening back up.

Bar a serious resurgence in the virus, which is always possible, I think the pubs will open in late August as planned, with the proviso that there is some form of distancing and potentially table only service.

It has been said all along - the world cannot stop forever, and has to learn to live with this virus. Living with it means taking some precautions, and means that some elderly/vulnerable people have to make decisions about whether they go to certain gatherings. But ultimately, society won't accept permanent shut down of what makes life worth living - even if that means risking more deaths.

The below could be a game changer though - test has potential to identify carriers before they become infectious

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/01/us-germ-warfare-lab-creates-test-for-pre-infectious-covid-19-carriers?CMP=twt_gu&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium#Echobox=1588345975

Wibbs · 01-05-2020 11:29PM

iguana wrote: »

Say that to Moon Jae-in. A fuçking religious cult spread deliberately infected 1000s of people in Korea and they still got on top of it. Not only suppressing the spread of the virus and ensuring a mortality rate proportionally over 50 times less than ours. But being in a position to study the virus in every single way it presents, from severe to mild cases. The world is a bit bigger than a bit of Europe and the US. Plenty of world leaders have done a truly excellent job.

Ah yes Iggy, but aren't we grand and doing better than the UK and Spain and Italy and France etc? Even though we're an island nation, with one of the lowest population densities in the western world.

iguana · 01-05-2020 11:33PM

Wibbs wrote: »

Even though we're an island nation, with one of the lowest population densities in the western world.

An island nation with a contentious border though. It's not as if the Koreans have any idea what it's like to contend with something like that.;)

Wibbs · 01-05-2020 11:35PM

iguana wrote: »

An island nation with a contentious border though. It's not as if the Koreans have any idea what it's like to contend with something like that.;)

Or Hong Kong, or Taiwan, or...

speckle · 01-05-2020 11:42PM

bekker wrote: »

Skimmed through it, too many aspirational generalisations...

source - Roadmap for Reopening Society & Business
[emphasis added]

Did it mention antibody testing anywhere.?
thanks

Stheno · 01-05-2020 11:42PM

Strazdas wrote: »

People pointing out on social media that if that had been Johnson or Trump, they would have tried to spoof their way through that part of the interview (so used are they to lying to and deceiving the public)......they wouldn't even dream of looking for notes to double check if what they are saying is true.

I actually admired that and thought fair play

He was also very upfront about what you couldn't do and why

And I think what I most appreciated was that he gave the overall target of a continual reduction of w.g. ICU admissions, and cases and explained that it's looking at a 5 to 7 day trend

Have to admit it gave me the motivation to stay with the current restrictions till Tuesday, look forward to what the 5km means Tuesday, and so on

I hope enough people feel the same so we get there.

My OH initially was of the "meh it's some Chinese virus" when I was coming home from work in January (gosh, remember those days when you came home from work!) and laughed at me for being a bit of a prepper)

He doesn't follow the news at all and thought I was over reacting

Started hitting home with him when I was checking if we had a thermometer couldn't find it, and sent him to buy one and he got the last one in a chemist

But he's now more anxious than I am, I think because a. He stays away from information, and b. He never thought it would happen. Now anytime I suggest something and can explain it, he gets on board

He honestly thought I was being paranoid (and tbh I didnt prep a huge amount) and we have a few disposable facemasks. My teenage niece has a small facebook business doing stuff like cushions and has changed now and is making washable cotton face coverings

I was saying it to him today ( having already ordered two for us both) and his first thought was to see if his adult kids needed some.

But he's afraid, doesn't have any underlying conditions but he's late 50s and male so more at risk if he gets I'll. He finds it hard to talk too about his fears.

It's a weird time we live in

ShineOn7 · 01-05-2020 11:45PM

Anyone got a link to Leo's speech/the briefing from earlier?

ChelseaRentBoy · 01-05-2020 11:45PM

iguana wrote: »

An island nation with a contentious border though. It's not as if the Koreans have any idea what it's like to contend with something like that.;)

You can't just jump into your passat and drive through the Korean border though now can you.

Strazdas · 01-05-2020 11:50PM

Stheno wrote: »

I actually admired that and thought fair play

He was also very upfront about what you couldn't do and why

And I think what I most appreciated was that he gave the overall target of a continual reduction of w.g. ICU admissions, and cases and explained that it's looking at a 5 to 7 day trend

Have to admit it gave me the motivation to stay with the current restrictions till Tuesday, look forward to what the 5km means Tuesday, and so on

I hope enough people feel the same so we get there.

My OH initially was of the "meh it's some Chinese virus" when I was coming home from work in January (gosh, remember those days when you came home from work!) and laughed at me for being a bit of a prepper)

He doesn't follow the news at all and thought I was over reacting

Started hitting home with him when I was checking if we had a thermometer couldn't find it, and sent him to buy one and he got the last one in a chemist

But he's now more anxious than I am, I think because a. He stays away from information, and b. He never thought it would happen. Now anytime I suggest something and can explain it, he gets on board

He honestly thought I was being paranoid (and tbh I didnt prep a huge amount) and we have a few disposable facemasks. My teenage niece has a small facebook business doing stuff like cushions and has changed now and is making washable cotton face coverings

I was saying it to him today ( having already ordered two for us both) and his first thought was to see if his adult kids needed some.

But he's afraid, doesn't have any underlying conditions but he's late 50s and male so more at risk if he gets I'll. He finds it hard to talk too about his fears.

It's a weird time we live in

I think the Taoiseach's issuing of five precise dates is very clever and gives businesses hope and a clear idea of what lies ahead.

If your OH is in good health, he shouldn't feel too concerned. Nearly all the horror stories about Covid-19 seem to be about people in quite poor health and with weakish immune systems.

Gael23 · 01-05-2020 11:50PM

How will public transport work in later phases as volumes begin to return to normal?

Jizique · 01-05-2020 11:51PM

Strumms wrote: »

Like most FG heads he’s a money man, who values healthy spreadsheets ahead of healthy people. He was too slow out of the traps, for a medical guy too, hmmm, no leadership.

I said at the beginning, give me a healthy population ahead of a healthy economy. Economy will recover, in time, on the other hand, people who died, won’t . We are lucky in this country we have at its work life coalface and beyond some of the most intelligent, hard working, diligent and flexible groups of people in the world. We’ll be ok, because of them, us.

We still have a healthy population, the majority of the sad deaths were individuals with underlying conditions who were in their 80s, so stop with the hyperbole.
There are thousands who will lose their jobs over this unavoidable crisis so have some empathy for them

Hrududu · 01-05-2020 11:52PM

Phase four – 20 July

With regard to community health measures, the document advises that during phase four travel can be extended to outside a person’s region.

From the looks of this it means not seeing family down the country until the end of July. That’s a long old stretch now between when all this started and then. Living up in the big schmoke has its downsides sometimes.

Strumms · 01-05-2020 11:57PM

Jizique wrote: »

We still have a healthy population, the majority of the sad deaths were individuals with underlying conditions who were in their 80s, so stop with the hyperbole.
There are thousands who will lose their jobs over this unavoidable crisis so have some empathy for them

I have empathy, but I think you need to address where we are with a great degree of realism instead of throwing misplaced words like ‘hyperbole’ into a debate where none in fact exists...

fritzelly · 02-05-2020 12:01AM

Bought a blood oximeter during the week
Works fine for me 99/100% SP02 and HR 70ish resting
Other half it takes forever to register if at all
Does anyone have tips on how it should be used or should I just assume they're actually a zombie?

owlbethere · 02-05-2020 12:01AM

Stheno wrote: »

I actually admired that and thought fair play

He was also very upfront about what you couldn't do and why

And I think what I most appreciated was that he gave the overall target of a continual reduction of w.g. ICU admissions, and cases and explained that it's looking at a 5 to 7 day trend

Have to admit it gave me the motivation to stay with the current restrictions till Tuesday, look forward to what the 5km means Tuesday, and so on

I hope enough people feel the same so we get there.

My OH initially was of the "meh it's some Chinese virus" when I was coming home from work in January (gosh, remember those days when you came home from work!) and laughed at me for being a bit of a prepper)

He doesn't follow the news at all and thought I was over reacting

Started hitting home with him when I was checking if we had a thermometer couldn't find it, and sent him to buy one and he got the last one in a chemist

But he's now more anxious than I am, I think because a. He stays away from information, and b. He never thought it would happen. Now anytime I suggest something and can explain it, he gets on board

He honestly thought I was being paranoid (and tbh I didnt prep a huge amount) and we have a few disposable facemasks. My teenage niece has a small facebook business doing stuff like cushions and has changed now and is making washable cotton face coverings

I was saying it to him today ( having already ordered two for us both) and his first thought was to see if his adult kids needed some.

But he's afraid, doesn't have any underlying conditions but he's late 50s and male so more at risk if he gets I'll. He finds it hard to talk too about his fears.

It's a weird time we live in

I'd be interested in buying a few cloth masks from an Irish maker. I had a look on etsy but I had no luck. The sellers are mainly UK and European and shipping would be a few weeks. I would love it if you could pm with the name of your nieces Facebook business. I have no sewing skills.

Strazdas · 02-05-2020 12:02AM

Stheno wrote: »

I actually admired that and thought fair play

He was also very upfront about what you couldn't do and why

And I think what I most appreciated was that he gave the overall target of a continual reduction of w.g. ICU admissions, and cases and explained that it's looking at a 5 to 7 day trend

Have to admit it gave me the motivation to stay with the current restrictions till Tuesday, look forward to what the 5km means Tuesday, and so on

I hope enough people feel the same so we get there.

My OH initially was of the "meh it's some Chinese virus" when I was coming home from work in January (gosh, remember those days when you came home from work!) and laughed at me for being a bit of a prepper)

He doesn't follow the news at all and thought I was over reacting

Started hitting home with him when I was checking if we had a thermometer couldn't find it, and sent him to buy one and he got the last one in a chemist

But he's now more anxious than I am, I think because a. He stays away from information, and b. He never thought it would happen. Now anytime I suggest something and can explain it, he gets on board

He honestly thought I was being paranoid (and tbh I didnt prep a huge amount) and we have a few disposable facemasks. My teenage niece has a small facebook business doing stuff like cushions and has changed now and is making washable cotton face coverings

I was saying it to him today ( having already ordered two for us both) and his first thought was to see if his adult kids needed some.

But he's afraid, doesn't have any underlying conditions but he's late 50s and male so more at risk if he gets I'll. He finds it hard to talk too about his fears.

It's a weird time we live in

I think the Taoiseach's issuing of five precise dates is very clever and gives businesses hope and a clear idea of what lies ahead.

If your OH is in good health, he shouldn't feel too concerned. Nearly all the horror stories about Covid-19 seem to be about people in quite poor health and with weakish immune systems.

owlbethere · 02-05-2020 12:04AM

fritzelly wrote: »

Bought a blood oximeter during the week
Works fine for me 99/100% SP02 and HR 70ish resting
Other half it takes forever to register if at all
Does anyone have tips on how it should be used or should I just assume they're actually a zombie?

Is the other half a lady?

Nail polish can alter readings.
Cold fingers can have an impact too.
You could give it a wipe down on the inside in case there's any dust.

Strazdas · 02-05-2020 12:05AM

Gael23 wrote: »

How will public transport work in later phases as volumes begin to return to normal?

I'd say compulsory wearing of masks would be a much better and more realistic option than trying to shut off seats or operate with only small numbers of passengers.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 02-05-2020 12:06AM

iguana wrote: »

An island nation with a contentious border though. It's not as if the Koreans have any idea what it's like to contend with something like that.;)

The Demilitarised Zone is something like 5km wide and I would imagine more difficult to cross than our border with NI. Hardly a fair comparison.

Jinglejangle69 · 02-05-2020 12:08AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Thought leo did alright myself, at the end of the day we've now a plan and dates to work with and aim towards.

As for the office we're already fairly well spaced in ours and theres no hot desks, so it'll probably come down to a personal choice, we've been set up to WFH for at least the last 3 years. I'll be back in anyway over the summer and I've no issue with that. Sooner the better if I'm honest, WFH just doesn't suit me. The social side of work probably gone until 2021.

When I said here during the week let's wait until friday to hear the plan I was told there will be no plan, they haven't a clue etc etc.

I said just relax until we loose our minds.

Glad you have seen sense.

speckle · 02-05-2020 12:11AM

fritzelly wrote: »

Bought a blood oximeter during the week
Works fine for me 99/100% SP02 and HR 70ish resting
Other half it takes forever to register if at all
Does anyone have tips on how it should be used or should I just assume they're actually a zombie?

Think AMA thread had tips. make sure finger pushed in all way. no dirt on it or the oximeter was one. If that helps.

bekker · 02-05-2020 12:11AM

speckle wrote: »

Did it mention antibody testing anywhere.?
thanks

Not unless you extrapolate wildly from,

Disease indicators
1. Trajectory in incidence of disease
2. Trajectory in number of cases and clusters in residential healthcare
settings
3. Trajectory in number of deaths
4.Hospitalisation and ICU occupancy
5. Programme to consistently sample, test and contact trace.
* and other criteria as may arise in the future.

but no direct reference to antibody testing as such.

podgeandrodge · 02-05-2020 12:11AM

Anyone fancy a pint on Monday 10th August, thinking of taking Tuesday off.

Covid19 Part XVI- 21,983 in ROI (1,339 deaths) 3,881 in NI (404 deaths)(05/05)Read OP

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