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Covid19 Part XVI- 21,983 in ROI (1,339 deaths) 3,881 in NI (404 deaths)(05/05)Read OP

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  • #7502
    Akabusi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,130 ✭✭✭Akabusi


    10000maniacs wrote: »
    They have already been posted here in this thread, or the older versions. So do it yourself. Just google "Cheltenham COVID19 Ireland" and enjoy the read.
    241:380 is only 40% more.

    I've had a look and there were a few articles, none of them could offer any substantial proof of clusters resulting from Cheltenham. There will off course be cases resulting from it, just like there are cases from every other location that people travelled from at the start of the outbreak. I got it when on a business trip to Spain for example.

    40% is not neck and neck.


  • #7503
    GM228
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,922 ✭✭✭GM228


    munsterlegend wrote: »
    The U.K. also only count lab confirmed deaths and no probable cases of Covid.

    England and Wales do count probable via the Office for National Statistics weekly updates, Scotland and NI don't.


  • #7504
    10000maniacs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,589 ✭✭✭10000maniacs


    Akabusi wrote: »
    I've had a look and there were a few articles, none of them could offer any substantial proof of clusters resulting from Cheltenham. There will off course be cases resulting from it, just like there are cases from every other location that people travelled from at the start of the outbreak. I got it when on a business trip to Spain for example.

    40% is not neck and neck.
    The actual cases per million are 4,102:2,434
    If we averaged out all of the stats between the two countries, I would say Covid19 has affected both countries in similar ways and levels.


  • #7505
    Akabusi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,130 ✭✭✭Akabusi


    GM228 wrote: »
    England and Wales do count probable, Scotland and NI don't.

    I don't think that is correct. It may be only Scotland that count them like us.


  • #7506
    GM228
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,922 ✭✭✭GM228


    Akabusi wrote: »
    I don't think that is correct. It may be only Scotland that count them like us.

    The Tuesday ONS stats count them for England and Wales, but the UK as a whole is not adding them to the official UK numbers yet.


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  • #7507
    Akabusi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,130 ✭✭✭Akabusi


    10000maniacs wrote: »
    The actual cases per million are 4,102:2,434
    If we averaged out all of the stats between the two countries, I would say Covid19 has affected both countries in similar ways and levels.

    You are correct, by ignoring certain numbers here and adding other number there and then bringing them together, they could be the same. I like your thinking, you're hardly an accountant by any chance? I need some figures to work out for me for tax purposes.


  • #7508
    Strumms
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    martingriff wrote: »
    This Cheltenham excuse is getting tiresome. It is like saying FF fault for 5 years. Do you think the majority of our cases is because of it

    It’s impossible to say, nobody will know, you can’t put a number on it I don’t think.. It was still nothing more than pure selfishness that a load of knuckledraggers HAD to go and watch horses run.

    Incidentally Edge Health , a company who provide statistical analysis to the NHS have said this...

    “Analysis by Edge Health,a leading supplier of analysis to the NHS, shows that the event is linked to between 2.5 and 3.5 additional deaths per ‘day’ at local hospitals 20 to 35 days later, compared with similar hospital trusts which were used as a control.”

    That’s over 100 deaths in total if 3 deaths is used as a mean number of deaths over a mean average of 30 days.


  • #7509
    Akabusi
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    GM228 wrote: »
    The Tuesday ONS stats count them for England and Wales, but the UK as a whole is not adding them to the official UK numbers yet.

    That's it. Though the Tory Government are not using the ONS figures unsurprisingly.


  • #7510
    10000maniacs
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    Akabusi wrote: »
    You are correct, by ignoring certain numbers here and adding other number there and then bringing them together, they could be the same. I like your thinking, your hardly an accountant by any chance? I need some figures to work out for me for tax purposes.
    The Republic has 68% more cases of COVID19 per million people than the UK according to the official figures. We are more or less going through what the UK are give or take.


  • #7511
    Akabusi
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    10000maniacs wrote: »
    The Republic has 68% more cases of COVID19 per million people than the UK according to the official figures. We are more or less going through what the UK are give or take.

    I agree, give or take.


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  • #7512
    Inquitus
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    10000maniacs wrote: »
    The Republic has 68% more cases of COVID19 per million people than the UK according to the official figures. We are more or less going through what the UK are give or take.

    We are testing more than 2.5x per capita than they are.


  • #7513
    [Deleted User]
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    10000maniacs wrote: »
    The Republic has 68% more cases of COVID19 per million people than the UK according to the official figures. We are more or less going through what the UK are give or take.

    Ireland - the actual name of our country by the way, has completed 258% more tests per million than the UK, making us 2.5 times more likely to detect cases than they are. Given we have only detected 68% more, it suggests the actual rate in the UK is at least 50% higher than here


  • #7514
    zinfandel
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    10000maniacs wrote: »
    The Republic has 68% more cases of COVID19 per million people than the UK according to the official figures. We are more or less going through what the UK are give or take.

    you might just take a look at how many more people we are testing per capita or look at the death rate before you make sweeping statements...


  • #7515
    cameramonkey
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    Inquitus wrote: »
    We are testing more than 2.5x per capita than they are.


    testing is of limited worth if they are not turned around quickly and tracked and traced. south korea has done half the testing per capita that ireland has done yet they have no cases today.


  • #7516
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,203 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    10000maniacs wrote: »
    The Republic has 68% more cases of COVID19 per million people than the UK according to the official figures. We are more or less going through what the UK are give or take.
    You cannot compare stats between countries when they are doing different levels of testing, and recording cases and deaths differently. How many times does this have to be repeated?


  • #7517
    martingriff
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Ireland - the actual name of our country by the way, has completed 258% more tests per million than the UK, making us 2.5 times more likely to detect cases than they are. Given we have only detected 68% more, it suggests the actual rate in the UK is at least 50% higher than here

    Technically it's the Republic of Ireland


  • #7518
    Higgins5473
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    hmmm wrote: »
    You cannot compare stats between countries when they are doing different levels of testing, and recording cases and deaths differently. How many times does this have to be repeated?

    Whenever the stats start looking good for us, they will be compared tirelessly.


  • #7519
    10000maniacs
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Ireland - the actual name of our country by the way, has completed 258% more tests per million than the UK, making us 2.5 times more likely to detect cases than they are. Given we have only detected 68% more, it suggests the actual rate in the UK is at least 50% higher than here
    I called it the Republic to differentiate it from the northern part of the Island where we don't record the figures, so tough break matey.


  • #7520
    hmmm
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    Akabusi wrote: »
    One of my German colleagues dismissed the idea that the numbers infected there have risen due to the easing of restrictions saying it is simply to early to know.
    The RKI publish a daily Germany report, and the latest has an R0 of .75 (and falling). I'm not sure where the report it had gone above 1 came from. The latest report is here: https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/InfAZ/N/Neuartiges_Coronavirus/Situationsberichte/2020-04-29-en.pdf?__blob=publicationFile

    Now I presume they are also looking at some forward-looking indicators which aren't released to the public, so there may be that.


  • #7521
    GM228
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    martingriff wrote: »
    Technically it's the Republic of Ireland

    Technically, legally and indeed any other way you want to look at it the name of the Country is Éire/Ireland, the description of the state is the Republic of Ireland.

    The Republic of Ireland is a football team.


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  • #7522
    10000maniacs
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    hmmm wrote: »
    You cannot compare stats between countries when they are doing different levels of testing, and recording cases and deaths differently. How many times does this have to be repeated?
    Testing is of limited use if we don't use the figures as a means of tracking and quarantining, which we are not doing. We only use testing as a means of bean counting which is a total waste of resources.


  • #7523
    10000maniacs
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    GM228 wrote: »
    Technically, legally and indeed any other way you want to look at it the name of the Country is Éire/Ireland.

    The Republic of Ireland is a football team.

    Ireland is the whole of the island, a part of which is the UK and therefore carry out their own COVID19 strategy. Which is why I used the "Republic" in this context.
    Jesus, I am teaching geography now.:rolleyes:


  • #7524
    GM228
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    10000maniacs wrote: »
    Ireland is the whole of the island, a part of which is the UK and therefore carry out their own COVID19 strategy. Which is why I used the "Republic" in this context.
    Jesus, I am teaching geography now.:rolleyes:

    I was correcting the person who said technically the name of our country is ROI when someone said the name was Ireland, I was simply pointing out that technically it is not ROI.


  • #7525
    10000maniacs
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    GM228 wrote: »
    I was correcting the person who said technically the name of our country is ROI when someone said the name was Ireland, I was simply pointing out that technically it is not ROI.
    But look at the context here. Look at the thread. Think outside the box for one second and look at the big picture.
    If you did, you would realize why I referred to this jurisdiction as the Republic.


  • #7526
    s1ippy
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    growleaves wrote: »
    I would take that with a massive pinch of salt. That deaths are being misattributed to Covid-19 is not the general picture I'm getting from anyone else besides than Elon Musk, that doctor or the random YouTuber.

    It might be useful to examine which of them may not have died if they didn't have the disease, but I don't think it's any harm to record them as Covid deaths if they were Covid positive because it tells us about the spread of the disease in the population. Comorbidities are always stated here when they exist in patients and I'm quite sure they release that info in America too. Usually it seems like about two thirds of deaths are in patients with underlying conditions, which means possibly that around 400 of our 1100 died with no underlying conditions.

    I never know where to find those percentages and figures, so feel free to correct me.


  • #7527
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    Higgins5473 wrote: »
    Whenever the stats start looking good for us, they will be compared tirelessly.

    When ever a detailed review of the numbers has been completed that will allow accurate statistical comparisons to be completed across different regions and countries they will be compared tirelessly.
    A number without context is not a statistic and it is only following comparative studies of the numbers that we can draw firm conclusions


  • #7528
    [Deleted User]
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    10000maniacs wrote: »
    But look at the context here. Look at the thread. Think outside the box for one second and look at the big picture.
    If you did, you would realize why I referred to this jurisdiction as the Republic.

    Technically its Ireland, the description is the Republic of Ireland. Either are acceptable. What it is not is the Republic. Which Republic?


  • #7529
    10000maniacs
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Technically its Ireland, the description is the Republic of Ireland. Either are acceptable. What it is not is the Republic. Which Republic?
    The Republic of The Congo. :rolleyes:


  • #7530
    seamus
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    10000maniacs wrote: »
    Testing is of limited use if we don't use the figures as a means of tracking and quarantining, which we are not doing.
    Yes we are.


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  • #7531
    GM228
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    10000maniacs wrote: »
    But look at the context here. Look at the thread. Think outside the box for one second and look at the big picture.
    If you did, you would realize why I referred to this jurisdiction as the Republic.

    I do realise yes, but, as I said my post was specifically in relation to the fact that another person said technically the name of our country is ROI when someone else merely pointed out the proper name of our country. My point has nothing to do with the context of COVID-19 reporting or any big pictures....


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