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The UK response to Covid-19 [MOD WARNING 1ST POST]

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  • #4622
    Joe_ Public
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭Joe_ Public


    devnull wrote: »
    Indeed, very noticeable how when the graphs show something that doesn't look too bad to them they use this as evidence to support their statements but when the same data shows things that doesn't paint them in a favourable light then suddenly we are told that you cannot trust the data.

    It's almost like there is an agenda at play. :rolleyes:

    And incredible how they keep saying that in miraculously producing all these updated figures, it will help them get a fuller picture and make better decisions going forward. I mean, that is a pretty tacit admission that they've been working off unreliable data up to this point for reasons that seem highly dubious at best.


  • #4623
    Enzokk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,006 ✭✭✭Enzokk


    "Let's see, numbers are looking bad...I know, let's change the way it is shown in the daily press briefing and see if anyone notices. At the very least we look better on the graphs."

    https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1255534288625381379?s=20

    But we are supposed to trust this government when they tell you anything related to this pandemic and their response?

    How about someone making predictions when all of this started?

    https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/1255538987399249926?s=20

    I know, just delete your tweet, I am sure nobody saw it and would have noticed.


  • #4624
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,392 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    Enzokk wrote: »
    "Let's see, numbers are looking bad...I know, let's change the way it is shown in the daily press briefing and see if anyone notices. At the very least we look better on the graphs."

    https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1255534288625381379?s=20

    But we are supposed to trust this government when they tell you anything related to this pandemic and their response?

    How about someone making predictions when all of this started?

    https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/1255538987399249926?s=20

    I know, just delete your tweet, I am sure nobody saw it and would have noticed.

    Almost as if Roberts was gloating. Most unusual for a Tory MP these days.


  • #4625
    BonnieSituation
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,088 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    Are we allowed to criticise the British government response yet?


  • #4626
    Donald Trump
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,337 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    Looks like the IHME modelling is going to turn out to be fairly accurate unfortunately. Despite the lies told by Johnson and his cronies.




    Now just hold on a minute. We were reliably informed on here that projections of UK deaths reaching 20k by 4th August were absolutely wrong.


    I mean, the people telling us that on here were insistent. Obviously they knew what they were talking about.........surely? I mean the UK government had "science" on their side and was doing the right thing for the UK.



    Just another 3+ months to go!


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  • #4627
    MD1990
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,740 ✭✭✭✭MD1990


    Th UK response to this will be one of the greatest scandal's in bristish history .

    Wanted to go for herd immunity while it was unknown if that is even possible.
    Cheltenhem & othe events allowed to go ahead resulting in thousands more deaths
    Johnson urging people to take on the chin & end up in intensive care a month later

    It is an incredible situation showing how dumb some people in power are.


  • #4628
    devnull
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,885 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    Enzokk wrote: »
    "Let's see, numbers are looking bad...I know, let's change the way it is shown in the daily press briefing and see if anyone notices. At the very least we look better on the graphs."

    https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1255534288625381379?s=20

    But we are supposed to trust this government when they tell you anything related to this pandemic and their response?

    How about someone making predictions when all of this started?

    https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/1255538987399249926?s=20

    I know, just delete your tweet, I am sure nobody saw it and would have noticed.

    You can imagine someone in Downing Street running different start point numbers through their spreadsheet and looking at the resulting graphs until they got the one which looked least worst.


  • #4629
    Christy42
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,106 ✭✭✭Christy42


    Did they release nursing home deaths today? Noticing worldometer has them with an extra 4000 or so deaths today


  • #4630
    A Dub in Glasgo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,301 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    Christy42 wrote: »
    Did they release nursing home deaths today? Noticing worldometer has them with an extra 4000 or so deaths today

    This and this explains it


  • #4631
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,081 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Christy42 wrote: »
    Did they release nursing home deaths today? Noticing worldometer has them with an extra 4000 or so deaths today

    Yep the released nursing home deaths of those who they tested.

    However there is some very bad looking graphs going around displaying excess deaths vs other european countries that shows a horrifying closer version of the truth.

    https://twitter.com/EdConwaySky/status/1255147479466565636?s=19


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  • #4632
    Junkyard Tom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,115 ✭✭✭✭Junkyard Tom


    BarryD2 wrote: »
    Be interesting to see how the British media deal with this.

    Laura Kuenssberg may as well have been reporting for Hello magazine on the 10pm BBC News. Appalling.


  • #4633
    S.M.B.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,383 ✭✭✭S.M.B.


    VinLieger wrote: »
    Yep the released nursing home deaths of those who they tested.

    However there is some very bad looking graphs going around displaying excess deaths vs other european countries that shows a horrifying closer version of the truth.

    https://twitter.com/EdConwaySky/status/1255147479466565636?s=19
    Been trying to make sense of this graph since it was posted earlier and while it's a worrying trend it does look to be painting a potentially worse picture than (the albeit very bad) current situation.

    Don't feel comfortable taking issue with the governments possible use of a charts underlying data to look as favourable as possible while at the same time looking at any chart on social media and been shocked by my initial impression without poking around a bit more.


  • #4634
    Water John
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,268 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Junkyard Tom wrote: »
    Laura Kuenssberg may as well have been reporting for Hello magazine on the 10pm BBC News. Appalling.

    Is that because Johnson made another sperm donation?


  • #4635
    Junkyard Tom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,115 ✭✭✭✭Junkyard Tom


    Water John wrote: »
    Is that because Johnson made another sperm donation?

    It was like she was trying to track down a camera-shy celebrity for his fans.


  • #4636
    Water John
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,268 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    This is a long read but it investigates and documents the timeline of the UK's delay in lockdown.
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/29/revealed-the-inside-story-of-uk-covid-19-coronavirus-crisis


  • #4637
    alchemist33
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,969 ✭✭✭✭alchemist33


    Water John wrote: »
    This is a long read but it investigates and documents the timeline of the UK's delay in lockdown.
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/29/revealed-the-inside-story-of-uk-covid-19-coronavirus-crisis

    What shocked me was the bereaved man's interview where he said they shopped just like normal in Birmingham on March 18th. We'd been in isolation to some extent for a week or two beforehand. Leo's state of the nation address on Paddy's Day wasn't the start of restrictions, but a call to stick with it.


  • #4638
    robinph
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    VinLieger wrote: »
    Yep the released nursing home deaths of those who they tested.

    However there is some very bad looking graphs going around displaying excess deaths vs other european countries that shows a horrifying closer version of the truth.

    https://twitter.com/EdConwaySky/status/1255147479466565636?s=19

    That chart seems very dubious if its claiming Italy, Spain and France are all back to their standard rate of death as of last week when they were still all recording daily deaths in the 500s due to covid19.

    If it's being claimed that the UK government are tweaking their charts to show things in a certain way, which of course they are, then whatever a Z score is, is being used to show something else that might not be the full picture in that chart.


  • #4639
    threeball
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,070 ✭✭✭threeball


    Junkyard Tom wrote: »
    Laura Kuenssberg may as well have been reporting for Hello magazine on the 10pm BBC News. Appalling.

    Shes a farce at the best of times. How is she so highly regarded by the bbc. Boris's buddy is all she really is.


  • #4640
    S.M.B.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,383 ✭✭✭S.M.B.


    Water John wrote: »
    This is a long read but it investigates and documents the timeline of the UK's delay in lockdown.
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/29/revealed-the-inside-story-of-uk-covid-19-coronavirus-crisis
    In all this madness, I completely forgot about the "People over 70 and those with underlying conditions should not to go on cruises" advice on March 12. I thought it was absurd then and it's even more so now.


  • #4641
    threeball
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,070 ✭✭✭threeball


    Joe_ Public wrote: »
    765 hospital figure added today.

    3,811 care home between 2 march and 28 april

    52,429 tests.

    To be precise: 765 is todays hospital and care home figure (601 in hospital)

    3,811 is historic but includes only those who died in care homes having been tested positive.

    So in other words, still not the full number. They've another 4 or 5k to slip in there once the shock of the first announcement subsides.


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  • #4642
    timthumbni
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,845 ✭✭✭timthumbni


    threeball wrote: »
    Shes a farce at the best of times. How is she so highly regarded by the bbc. Boris's buddy is all she really is.

    The BBC are a bunch of Pro- corbynista types and very pro labour in general. You Don’t have a notion. The conservatives will do away with the BBC in the next 5 years . And thank god for that..


  • #4643
    threeball
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,070 ✭✭✭threeball


    Populist bullsh1tters have proven to be very costly electoral decisions for the UK, US and Brazil. And i still don't think any lessons will be learned. I hope we pay heed here at least.


  • #4644
    threeball
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,070 ✭✭✭threeball


    timthumbni wrote: »
    The BBC are a bunch of Pro- corbynista types and very pro labour in general. You Don’t have a notion. The conservatives will do away with the BBC in the next 5 years . And thank god for that..

    I don't have a notion of what. Your post is just a rant that had zero to do with what i posted.


  • #4645
    BonnieSituation
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,088 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    timthumbni wrote: »
    The BBC are a bunch of Pro- corbynista types and very pro labour in general. You Don’t have a notion. The conservatives will do away with the BBC in the next 5 years . And thank god for that..

    I think you got a full house there.


  • #4646
    timthumbni
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,845 ✭✭✭timthumbni


    BonnieSituation wrote: »
    I think you got a full house there.

    And god bless that...


  • #4647
    BonnieSituation
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,088 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    timthumbni wrote: »
    And god bless that...

    I see you've a lot to add.


  • #4648
    declanflynn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,160 ✭✭✭declanflynn


    threeball wrote: »
    Populist bullsh1tters have proven to be very costly electoral decisions for the UK, US and Brazil. And i still don't think any lessons will be learned. I hope we pay heed here at least.
    You can throw Russia and Turkey in there too


  • #4649
    Enzokk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,006 ✭✭✭Enzokk


    So according to this there are less deaths in the community due to pollution as there are less cars on the road.

    Clean air in Europe during lockdown ‘leads to 11,000 fewer deaths’
    The improvement in air quality over the past month of the coronavirus lockdown has led to 11,000 fewer deaths from pollution in the UK and elsewhere in Europe, a study has revealed.

    Sharp falls in road traffic and industrial emissions have also resulted in 1.3m fewer days of work absence, 6,000 fewer children developing asthma, 1,900 avoided emergency room visits and 600 fewer preterm births, according to the Centre for Research on Energy and Clean Air.

    It estimates that 1752 deaths in the UK has been avoided due to less pollution in the air. But the excess deaths has increased, so this will need to be taken into account when looking at excess death figures.

    This is not just a UK only phenomenon, it will be true all over Europe where restrictions have been put in place. The deaths from Covid-19 will be higher if you look at excess deaths as other deaths will surely be down during this period.


  • #4650
    Joe_ Public
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭Joe_ Public


    threeball wrote: »
    So in other words, still not the full number. They've another 4 or 5k to slip in there once the shock of the first announcement subsides.

    4 or 5k might be a conservative (no pun intended) estimate.

    Their figures suggest around 4k total care home deaths in march/april.

    Yet, from other figures, we know that between 10 & 24 april, there were 10k excess care home deaths, that is 10k beyond what they'd normally expect. That's just two weeks so it's easy to see why some think the true total of care home deaths might not be far off the official in hospital total.


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  • #4651
    S.M.B.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,383 ✭✭✭S.M.B.


    Justice Secretary Robert Buckland wrote:
    "Even if it isn't met, we are well on our way to ramping this up," he said. "One hundred thousand is an important milestone, yes, but frankly we need more."

    He added: "Yes, 52,000 isn't 100,000, I know that... but we are straining every sinew to get there."
    Hopefully they learn a lesson don't go throwing out more random targets in the near future.


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