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Covid19 Part XVI- 21,983 in ROI (1,339 deaths) 3,881 in NI (404 deaths)(05/05)Read OP

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  • #6482
    froog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,784 ✭✭✭froog


    xtal191 wrote: »
    Most people with symptoms will be told to feck off now I'm guessing, whatever happened to test test test

    https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1255069095680266240

    Our testing has been a complete mess from day one.


  • #6483
    Refractions
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65 ✭✭Refractions


    Case numbers...wouldnt read much into em, whether they are 900 or 300.


  • #6484
    irishlad.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 213 ✭✭irishlad.


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    14 additional probables on top of the 59 announced deaths according to Holohan - 73 in total.

    57 new deaths (45 confirmed, 14 probable, minus 2 denotified)


  • #6485
    Xertz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,069 ✭✭✭Xertz


    Question:

    Are we using any of the testing capacity to do sampling yet?

    It seems like we should be doing a representative community testing sample of even a few thousand tests to get a sense of what the spread is, without using self-selection/selection bias based on triaging symptoms.

    It should also be done in ALL EU countries that want to compare.


  • #6486
    ninebeanrows
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,780 ✭✭✭✭ninebeanrows


    Deliberate downbeat today despite decent numbers

    Journos looking for a fight.


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  • #6487
    ninebeanrows
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,780 ✭✭✭✭ninebeanrows


    Youre throttling the numbers


  • #6488
    ninebeanrows
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,780 ✭✭✭✭ninebeanrows


    Get a grip man


  • #6489
    Fr_Dougal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,166 ✭✭✭Fr_Dougal


    marno21 wrote: »
    It’s definitely 229.

    1.2% growth is impressively low.

    Yes, it’s low.

    But reported deaths has seen a >300% increase over yesterday’s figure.

    And yes, I realise there is a lag in reporting.


  • #6490
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Paul Cullen is such an idiot.


  • #6491
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,118 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    xtal191 wrote: »
    Most people with symptoms will be told to feck off now I'm guessing, whatever happened to test test test

    https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1255069095680266240

    It's a giant contradiction. 100,000 tests a week but too high a bar for the vast vast majority to even get a test.

    Sounding more and more like a public relations scam to me.


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  • #6492
    Arghus
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    Paul Cullen dying for a scrap again.


  • #6493
    froog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,784 ✭✭✭froog


    at daily deaths of 60 we are not far off italy's peak death rate per capita.


  • #6494
    irishlad.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 213 ✭✭irishlad.


    Arghus wrote: »
    Paul Cullen dying for a scrap again.

    Theres absolutely no need for his aggressive tone.


  • #6495
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Fr_Dougal wrote: »
    Yes, it’s low.

    But reported deaths has seen a >300% increase.

    And yes, I realise there is a lag in reporting.
    ICU and hospital admissions seem to be the big ones that will decide what will happen on May 5. Still too high there is what they are saying. We'll see how many new cases emerge from new definition.


  • #6496
    CIARAN_BOYLE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,599 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    Because spread is low. Been said on here many times.

    Well to put it another way what changed since Sunday when we reported 701 cases. We didn't have a high spread on Sunday and a low spread today.

    701 cases on Sunday was our highest day yet I believe (without counting results from German labs to clear a backlog).

    The variation is wild and undermines the value of dailly numbers.


  • #6497
    timsey tiger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,768 ✭✭✭timsey tiger


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    It's a giant contradiction. 100,000 tests a week but too high a bar for the vast vast majority to even get a test.

    Sounding more and more like a public relations scam to me.

    They are scared of overwhelming, the system again. I guess they will gradually broaden the criteria over time, as long as the have excess capacity.

    It doesn't play well but I guess they don't really have a choice.


  • #6498
    quartz1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 396 ✭✭quartz1


    To make a long story short they just haven't constructed an Infrastructure able to test and contact chase enough people to control the disease.


  • #6499
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,750 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »
    Well to put it another way what changed since Sunday when we reported 701 cases. We didn't have a high spread on Sunday and a low spread today.

    The variation is wild and undermines the value of dailly numbers.
    That's just luck. You could test 1000 one day and they're all positive and 1000 next day and they're all negative. The numbers just depend on what sample the scientist picks to do first.


  • #6500
    CIARAN_BOYLE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,599 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    That's just luck. You could test 1000 one day and they're all positive and 1000 next day and they're all negative. The numbers just depend on what sample the scientist picks to do first.

    In 48 hours we go from our highest day of new cases (not including results from German labs to clear backlog) to our lowest day in four weeks.

    It could be just luck but I don't believe in luck to that level.

    I'm more likely to believe that people in testing centres took Sunday off and that meant the labs were quiet today.

    I don't feel that it's acceptable to go from our highest level of activity to our lowest this month in 48 hours without explanation.


  • #6501
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    It's a giant contradiction. 100,000 tests a week but too high a bar for the vast vast majority to even get a test.

    Sounding more and more like a public relations scam to me.
    The idea of that high a number is to be able to respond to any future outbreaks in real time. It's a proper testing system! At some point they will most likely use that capacity to do some random testing to get a sense of the spread of it.


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  • #6502
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    The states around New York are being absolutely hammered..400 deaths in New Jersey today, only has a population of 8.8 million.

    Connecticut reports around 100 deaths per day the last while, only a population of 3.5 million. If it was the size of the UK or France it would be the equivalent of those countries reporting about 2000 deaths daily


  • #6503
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    Are we ever going to get a break from this? It's affecting children now.


  • #6504
    DebDynamite
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,720 ✭✭✭DebDynamite


    CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »
    In 48 hours we go from our highest day of new cases (not including results from German labs to clear backlog) to our lowest day in four weeks.

    It could be just luck but I don't believe in luck to that level.

    I'm more likely to believe that people in testing centres took Sunday off and that meant the labs were quiet today.

    I don't feel that it's acceptable to go from our highest level of activity to our lowest this month in 48 hours without explanation.

    I’m not sure if the testing labs take days off, but a lab could send their daily results through after a certain cut-off point. I believe that is one thing that can account for low/high numbers on consecutive days


  • #6505
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,750 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Seems ICU number have actually increased slightly. Now 141 in ICU.


  • #6506
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    is_that_so wrote: »
    ICU and hospital admissions seem to be the big ones that will decide what will happen on May 5. Still too high there is what they are saying. We'll see how many new cases emerge from new definition.

    If that's the case then they haven't been telling the truth about hospital capacity. Because based on the availability they claim to have, we haven't put any real pressure on the system.


  • #6507
    poppers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 674 ✭✭✭poppers


    CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »
    In 48 hours we go from our highest day of new cases (not including results from German labs to clear backlog) to our lowest day in four weeks.

    It could be just luck but I don't believe in luck to that level.

    I'm more likely to believe that people in testing centres took Sunday off and that meant the labs were quiet today.

    I don't feel that it's acceptable to go from our highest level of activity to our lowest this month in 48 hours without explanation.

    Could they have tested a large number of care homes last week results relased over weekend and these are not being done this week???


  • #6508
    irishgeo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,710 ✭✭✭irishgeo


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    Are we ever going to get a break from this? It's affecting children now.

    It always has. They havent determined the new sickness that's been reported in children to be linked with covid 19.


  • #6509
    ElTel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,672 ✭✭✭ElTel


    Xertz wrote: »
    Question:

    Are we using any of the testing capacity to do sampling yet?

    It seems like we should be doing a representative community testing sample of even a few thousand tests to get a sense of what the spread is, without using self-selection/selection bias based on triaging symptoms.

    It should also be done in ALL EU countries that want to compare.

    Should be asked this week at the briefings.
    They should have some insights into the reliability of the test itself given that some (whether their health care workers or care home patients) have been tested multiple times during this testing phase.


  • #6510
    easypazz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,346 ✭✭✭easypazz


    poppers wrote: »
    Could they have tested a large number of care homes last week results relased over weekend and these are not being done this week???

    Yes that's my take on it. They tested far and wide in care homes, staff etc. and scored a high hit rate.

    Now its back to people with 1 symptom so less chance of a positive.


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  • #6511
    Fann Linn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,052 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    easypazz wrote: »
    Yes that's my take on it. They tested far and wide in care homes, staff etc. and scored a high hit rate.

    Now its back to people with 1 symptom so less chance of a positive.

    1 symptom but you must belong to a priority group.


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