The UK response to Covid-19 [MOD WARNING 1ST POST]

ancapailldorcha · 27-04-2020 10:56AM

theological wrote: »

People aren't going to stay locked down like this for another 3 - 6 months. A vaccine probably won't appear in 2020 at all.

Interesting that Johnson suggested that they are at the end of this phase and that more will become clear from the government in the coming days. I'm not expecting them to announce substantial changes from what he said this morning.

I wasn't suggesting or predicting the status quo for another 6 months, just some form of lockdown to protect specific populations as the political will to maintain lockdown as is seems to be ebbing away.

Harry Palmr · 27-04-2020 10:57AM

The important bit. Some of his party 'grandees' and doaners will be disappointed.

I can see the long term consequences of lock down as clearly as anyone
and so yes I entirely share your urgency, it’s the government’s urgency
and yet we must also recognise the risk of a second spike.

The risk of losing control of that virus and letting the reproduction rate go back over one because that would mean not only a new wave of death and disease but also an economic disaster and we would be forced once again to slam on the brakes across the whole country and the whole economy, and reimpose restrictions in such a way as to do more and lasting damage and so I know it is tough.

And I want to get this economy moving as fast as I can but I refuse to throw away all the effort and the sacrifice of the British people and to risk a second major outbreak and huge loss of life and the overwhelming of the NHS and I ask you to contain your impatience because I believe we are coming now to the end of the first phase of this conflict and in spite of all the suffering we have so nearly succeeded

S.M.B. · 27-04-2020 11:06AM

theological wrote: »

I couldn't agree more. I'm not massively bothered about much else in fact. Seeing a restricted group of family and friends would be lovely.

I'm trying to juggle the very demanding early days of first time parenthood while at the same time relatives are sitting at home furloughed. I'm hoping the guidelines change before we cave in ourselves and circumvent them.

Seth Brundle · 27-04-2020 11:09AM

Looking at the quotes form Johnson, the use of get-out clauses is quite obvious...

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

So according to Johnson, among the puerile analogies to wrestling muggers, "many will be looking at our apparent success".

Harry Palmr wrote: »

I believe we are coming now to the end of the first phase of this conflict and in spite of all the suffering we have so nearly succeeded

RobMc59 · 27-04-2020 11:29AM

According to this link 'seismic activity 'is increasing in Ireland as people start to venture out more!
https://twitter.com/PatCleary2/status/1254447996391116807?s=19

Joe_ Public · 27-04-2020 11:36AM

RobMc59 wrote: »

According to this link 'seismic activity 'is increasing in Ireland as people start to venture out more!
https://twitter.com/PatCleary2/status/1254447996391116807?s=19

Does this "seismic" activity include the 10s of thousands who are pouring across the donegal border every day?

Enzokk · 27-04-2020 11:40AM

This sums up the response of the UK Government to the virus from the start,

Johnson said there would also be “maximum possible transparency” from now on, which may have been a direct response to mounting pressure on the government to release the scientific data it was relying on to make decisions, and to make public exactly who was sitting on its scientific advisory group, Sage.

Boris Johnson: UK beginning to turn the tide on coronavirus

They are reacting to pressure or outrage from scientists or the public or media. If they are so sure of their actions as they want to let people know, then why are they so reactionary to any new "crises"?

To review, they had no plan for lockdown until they did.

They had enough supplies of PPE, until they didn't and had to run around looking for more.

Their testing plans changes according to the news stories every day. One day there was enough tests for NHS staff and the reason why there is a discrepancy between the capacity and actual tests was because the staff weren't the ones taking it up until they opened a website and the slots filled up in minutes.

And now, no need for transparency until it is now important to be transparent. The sad thing is people will fall for this and believe him when he says they will be more open.

RobMc59 · 27-04-2020 11:59AM

Joe_ Public wrote: »

Does this "seismic" activity include the 10s of thousands who are pouring across the donegal border every day?

Probably and as another poster said earlier fatigue is setting in. We all have to try to stay strong regardless of which country we're from.

Timberrrrrrrr · 27-04-2020 12:17PM

Joe_ Public wrote: »

Does this "seismic" activity include the 10s of thousands who are pouring across the donegal border every day?

"10's of thousands"

:rolleyes:

A Dub in Glasgo · 27-04-2020 12:57PM

Scotland:
In hospital: 1,762(+27)
In ICU: 134 (+1)
Total confirmed cases: 10,521 (+197)
Total deaths with confirmed COVID-19: 1,262 (+13)

Therefore as it stands, there are a minimum of 1,963 (1,262+701) deaths in Scotland (confirmed and suspected)

cryptocurrency · 27-04-2020 02:36PM

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

Scotland:
In hospital: 1,762(+27)
In ICU: 134 (+1)
Total confirmed cases: 10,521 (+197)
Total deaths with confirmed COVID-19: 1,262 (+13)

Therefore as it stands, there are a minimum of 1,963 (1,262+701) deaths in Scotland (confirmed and suspected)

How many of them died and just happen to have Covid19. Some places you can OD on heroin and if you had a cough it will be the cough that killed ya on the death cert

Leroy42 · 27-04-2020 03:00PM

cryptocurrency wrote: »

How many of them died and just happen to have Covid19. Some places you can OD on heroin and if you had a cough it will be the cough that killed ya on the death cert

Look at the average death rates from the last 5 years. The UK are miles ahead. So, sure some as going to be misdiagnosed, but the government seem pretty intent on reducing the death number out in the public so if anything I would wager that the cause of death needs to be sure of Covid rather than just the person later found to have had Covid in their system.

serfboard · 27-04-2020 03:40PM

lainey_d_123 wrote: »

Imagine how deluded you would need to be to think you'd had any success when your country was going into its 6th week of lockdown, had 20,000 deaths

... of positive-tested patients who died in hospital only.

The FT put the estimate of actual numbers at 41,000 - and that was a few days ago.

Acosta · 27-04-2020 04:10PM

If Johnson and his government with the help of the Tory media manage to successfully spin their way through the rest of this crisis and the inquiry that follows, there's honestly no hope for the UK.

TheCitizen · 27-04-2020 04:42PM

Acosta wrote: »

If Johnson and his government with the help of the Tory media manage to successfully spin their way through the rest of this crisis and the inquiry that follows, there's honestly no hope for the UK.

has there been any talk of an enquiry? The UK electorate to blame ultimately, electing the buffoon Johnson just the latest in a series of errors from the UK electorate over recent years.

Enzokk · 27-04-2020 05:10PM

Matt Hancock just said that less than 100 NHS and care staff has died. He said 82 NHS staff and 16 care staff, but this website has the number at 134.

https://twitter.com/NursingNotesUK/status/1254683870890524672?s=20

Harry Palmr · 27-04-2020 05:23PM

Reported hospital deaths at 360

Leroy42 · 27-04-2020 06:13PM

There are still sticking to reporting only hospital deaths that were tested.

No word on when they will actually get around to understanding the full extent of the problem. No timelines on when they will have the systems in place to calculate it on a timely basis.

But again and again the media continue to report in the 20k figure. It is not 20k. Nobody knows what it is (which is a pretty damning statement in of itself) but it is very likely to be closer to 40k!

Why are people not demanding reality from the government? Why are the media not hammering the government on this.

lainey_d_123 · 27-04-2020 06:58PM

serfboard wrote: »

... of positive-tested patients who died in hospital only.

The FT put the estimate of actual numbers at 41,000 - and that was a few days ago.

Indeed. What I meant was, even the fake figures they're quoting are bad enough.

They absolutely ****ed up. I literally don't understand how these people can sleep at night knowing that their fumbling, cack handed approach has led to the deaths of 40,000 people and counting, AND we've ended up having a lockdown which is indirectly ruining many more lives.

Waiting around, letting people pour into the country from coronavirus hotspots, letting huge events go ahead, all while seeing what was going on in China, Italy and Spain, in the name of protecting an economy which is now ruined anyway, because they realised far too late that their moronic initial approach wasn't going to work.

Zubeneschamali · 27-04-2020 07:13PM

lainey_d_123 wrote: »

They absolutely ****ed up.

It's Boris Johnson, famously lazy and dishonest, surrounded by Ministers that Johnson is confident are too stupid or incompetent to be a threat to him, and advised by Cummings, the sort of clever person who has convinced themselves everyone else is stupid.

Everyone who worked with Johnson in any capacity was, to coin a phrase, very clear what he'd be like in office, and so it has turned out.

splinter65 · 27-04-2020 07:39PM

Leroy42 wrote: »

There are still sticking to reporting only hospital deaths that were tested.

No word on when they will actually get around to understanding the full extent of the problem. No timelines on when they will have the systems in place to calculate it on a timely basis.

But again and again the media continue to report in the 20k figure. It is not 20k. Nobody knows what it is (which is a pretty damning statement in of itself) but it is very likely to be closer to 40k!

Why are people not demanding reality from the government? Why are the media not hammering the government on this.

The anguished cry of the left....why oh why oh why oh why.
Why did they vote brexit when I wanted them to vote EU
Why did they vote for Trump when I wanted Clinton
Why did the impeachment fail when I thought it would succeed
Why did the Torys vote for Johnson not the other guy no one even remembers
Why is Dominic chief advisor cos I hate him but I don’t know why
Why oh why did the British people vote for Johnson not Corbyn
Why did the Torys win an 85 seat majority (it’s so confusing)
Why did Johnson survive the virus when I wanted him to die and destabilize the government
Why have the NHS not been overwhelmed like I wanted to, again, destabilize the government
Why have they flattened the curve, not enough people have died, I’m sooo disappointed
Why are Oxford Uni striding ahead with the vaccine trials now they’re probably going to win the race, I wanted one of the progressive socialist countries to win...
Why do the Brits appear to be taking it in their stride as it’s a global pandemic and there’s not much can be done about it, I wanted them to be angry and rise up and DESTABILISE THE GOVERNMENT
Oh the misery ...

splinter65 · 27-04-2020 07:45PM

Leroy42 wrote: »

There are still sticking to reporting only hospital deaths that were tested.

No word on when they will actually get around to understanding the full extent of the problem. No timelines on when they will have the systems in place to calculate it on a timely basis.

But again and again the media continue to report in the 20k figure. It is not 20k. Nobody knows what it is (which is a pretty damning statement in of itself) but it is very likely to be closer to 40k!

Why are people not demanding reality from the government? Why are the media not hammering the government on this.

Nobody knows what the figures are but you’ve decided to double the official figures. Would you not prefer to say 60000. That’s what you’d like it to be, let’s be honest. Enough dead bodies piled up might bring the government down and get Starmer into no. 10.
I mean , that was the dream here,no?

S.M.B. · 27-04-2020 07:58PM

Hmmmmmmmmmm......

Anyway, interesting that a lot of the ventilator projects seem to be winding down due to lack of demand.

Water John · 27-04-2020 07:59PM

Well estimates are running between 41% to 100% add on to the hospital figure to get a true figure.
All we can run on are estimates, as the Govn't is not making any attempt at providing an up to date tally.
What we certainly know is that the hospital figures are a gross understatement of the truth.

Joe_ Public · 27-04-2020 08:10PM

S.M.B. wrote: »

Hmmmmmmmmmm......

Anyway, interesting that a lot of the ventilator projects seem to be winding down due to lack of demand.

They seem to have learned that there are more non invasive techniques that have overall better results so initial fears about ventilators have proved unfounded. The longer it goes on, the more they learn fortunately. Not sure the dyson ones were ever up to scratch anyway.

A Dub in Glasgo · 27-04-2020 08:11PM

splinter65 wrote: »

Nobody knows what the figures are but you’ve decided to double the official figures. Would you not prefer to say 60000. That’s what you’d like it to be, let’s be honest. Enough dead bodies piled up might bring the government down and get Starmer into no. 10.
I mean , that was the dream here,no?

https://twitter.com/FinancialTimes/status/1252892441553887232

PopePalpatine · 27-04-2020 08:16PM

Joe_ Public wrote: »

They seem to have learned that there are more non invasive techniques that have overall better results so initial fears about ventilators have proved unfounded. The longer it goes on, the more they learn fortunately. Not sure the dyson ones were ever up to scratch anyway.

I hope he didn't insist on making a cordless ventilator.

splinter65 · 27-04-2020 08:24PM

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

https://twitter.com/FinancialTimes/status/1252892441553887232

An analysis by a newspaper? Proof? Really some of you should be ashamed of yourselves wishing and hoping for people to die to fit your agenda.
Marxism. Never ending wishing people dead in the pursuit of “equality”. Uggh. Disgusting.

Leroy42 · 27-04-2020 08:26PM

splinter65 wrote: »

The anguished cry of the left....why oh why oh why oh why.
Why did they vote brexit when I wanted them to vote EU
Why did they vote for Trump when I wanted Clinton
Why did the impeachment fail when I thought it would succeed
Why did the Torys vote for Johnson not the other guy no one even remembers
Why is Dominic chief advisor cos I hate him but I don’t know why
Why oh why did the British people vote for Johnson not Corbyn
Why did the Torys win an 85 seat majority (it’s so confusing)
Why did Johnson survive the virus when I wanted him to die and destabilize the government
Why have the NHS not been overwhelmed like I wanted to, again, destabilize the government
Why have they flattened the curve, not enough people have died, I’m sooo disappointed
Why are Oxford Uni striding ahead with the vaccine trials now they’re probably going to win the race, I wanted one of the progressive socialist countries to win...
Why do the Brits appear to be taking it in their stride as it’s a global pandemic and there’s not much can be done about it, I wanted them to be angry and rise up and DESTABILISE THE GOVERNMENT
Oh the misery ...

Jebus, you dpn't think people have the right to know how many people are dying from a disease that the government could have, and should have, taken steps to reduce?

You call that a cry fro the left? It is a cry that any normal human should have, when they aren't so wedded to their own ideology that they are prepared to accept anything once it means they are 'winning'.

I am sure all those 'lefty' older people in England currently dying and being, not only forgotten about, but actively erased from the facts, feel great about the black eye the left is getting.

And as for taking it in their stride, everyday we are hearing more and more about how difficult all this staying at home is, how the lockdown must be lifted, not because of science, but people are bored!!!
Taking in their stride my arse

Joe_ Public · 27-04-2020 08:31PM

At least the financial times is trying to get an accurate handle on what the true situation is but...yeah, shoot the messenger.

The UK response to Covid-19 [MOD WARNING 1ST POST]

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