Covid19 Part XVI- 21,983 in ROI (1,339 deaths) 3,881 in NI (404 deaths)(05/05)Read OP

27-04-2020 01:52PM

polesheep wrote: »

All well and good, but there is a reason why New Zealand has animals that don't exist anywhere else in the world. And without a vaccine, their human population could go the same way. They might be just buying time.

Thats is a very good point - if no vaccine, New Zealand need to stay isolated

Strazdas · 27-04-2020 01:55PM

TheAsYLuMkeY wrote: »

Hi,

If this has been discussed already I apologise,

The stats on worldofdmeters has to be wrong, Ireland had over 9000 recoveries?

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

https://www.covidvisualizer.com/

No, that's correct.....it was read out by Dr Holohan last week. I believe it refers to anyone in Ireland who tested positive for the first few weeks but who was never hospitalised (the virus only stays in the system in milder cases for 2-3 weeks max).

27-04-2020 01:55PM

Strazdas wrote: »

I think I read that 100,000 people a day pass through Dublin Airport, all year round. Auckland airport would have nothing like those numbers (and that's not even taking into account things like the ferry ports).

Freight is aonther one - all the lorry drivers bring in the bulk of our goods, while passing through crowded ports, service areas etc. While New Zealands goods would be largely in containers container with any virus particles likely dead by the time it lands

eagle eye · 27-04-2020 01:56PM

Deleted User wrote:

Thats is a very good point - if no vaccine, New Zealand need to stay isolated

We haven't even done that yet.

Richard Hillman · 27-04-2020 02:00PM

I don't know why we're being compared to New Zealand. If NZ ended up being badly affected it would have been a complete abomination of decision making.

The countries we should be looking at in comparisons are Austria, Slovenia, Croatia, Slovakia and Czech Rep. Of which considering their locale to Italy, what has happened here is a complete abomination of decision making.

wakka12 · 27-04-2020 02:01PM

Some nice bits of news, normality returning to some parts of the world

New Zealand is declared basically COVID free and has 'won the battle'. The PM has boldly declared'' there is no widespread, undetected community transmission in New Zealand,"
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/world/new-zealand-covid-19-lockdown-lifted-fishing-hunting-12679204

Indonesia hopes to see cases decline June, normal life to resume in July
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-indonesia/indonesia-hopes-for-return-to-normal-lives-by-july-idUSKCN2291BU?il=0&utm_source=reddit.com

Lockdown lifted in parts of Dubai
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/world/dubai-lifts-covid-19-lockdown-on-two-densely-populated-12679516

Iran will soon reopen mosques in covid free regions of the country
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/world/iran-plans-reopen-mosques-areas-free-covid-19-12678988

TheAsYLuMkeY · 27-04-2020 02:04PM

Strazdas wrote: »

No, that's correct.....it was read out by Dr Holohan last week. I believe it refers to anyone in Ireland who tested positive for the first few weeks but who was never hospitalised (the virus only stays in the system in milder cases for 2-3 weeks max).

That is very interesting, there has to be genetic disposition at play here given how it can still be mild in older people sometimes and fatal for younger people also.

I have wondered which countries would be first to have less active cases than recovered, we appear to now have.

There are not that many, Switzerland, Finland, Denmark and Croatia appear to be the only other European countries that have achieved this outside of us.

Akrasia · 27-04-2020 02:05PM

The_Brood wrote: »

New Zealand - also an island, same size and population as Ireland - has now entirely eliminated the virus. What does this say about what has happened in Ireland? Will anyone be held accountable?

New Zealand is in the middle of nowhere. Its a 5 hour flight to Australia, people aren't commuting back and forth to neighbouring countries on anywhere near the same scale that we do between Ireland and the UK or continental Europe

They also do not have a land border with a different counry like we do in Ireland, so it's not really comparable

keynes · 27-04-2020 02:08PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Whatever about the arguments about mistakes that were made, New Zealand and Ireland are in no way comparable apart from Population size:

That is a fair point. But we're also doing markedly worse than smaller countries within Europe (Portugal, Switzerland, Austria, Denmark), some bordering countries with major outbreaks (e.g., Austria borders Northern Italy.) I'm really struggling to come up with a country with relatively similar geographical characteristics that is doing worse than us.

wakka12 · 27-04-2020 02:08PM

I dont understand the constant comparison to New zealand.Other than having the same population size, its pretty much where the comparisons end. Ireland dealt with a much larger outbreak, with widespread community transmission across the entire country, not every country has the same issues to deal with, not every country was working from the same starting point when the world woke up to the pandemic in March

timsey tiger · 27-04-2020 02:10PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Plus there are thousands of families that are split between England and Ireland.

I hope, for this reason more than any other, that quarantine imposed on arrivals in both the UK and Ireland (which I would assume would be in place for a number of months) exempts those travelling within the Common Travel Area. I wont see my English family for a long time if I have to quarantine both on the way there and the way back

Currently, you can't see your family living 5 miles down the road, not to mind living in the UK.

Things, won't be the same as before. If we aren't mature and sensible, about this and realise that we can't go on as before and accept that we , everyone of us (except the uber rich of course) will have to make adjustments, we will not come ou well in this.

Kermit.de.frog · 27-04-2020 02:10PM

wakka12 wrote: »

I dont understand the constant comparison to New zealand.Other than having the same population size, its pretty much where the comparisons end. Ireland dealt with a much larger outbreak, with widespread community transmission across the entire country, not every country has the same issues to deal with, not every country was working from the same starting point when the world woke up to the pandemic in March

It's not comparable at all. It's one of the most isolated countries in the world.

A hell of a lot easier to control things there.

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! · 27-04-2020 02:10PM

Does anyone know if there is any breakdown of the profile for healthcare workers that have died from covid 19? Age / underlying health conditions etc

If we want to get an idea of what might happen were we to open the country up and expose ourselves to this virus en masse... this might be a good place to start.

My guess is the deaths among healthcare workers will probably be a lower age profile and less underlying health conditions. Which would show that heavy exposure to this virus, can and will take down relatively fit and healthy people... something these "end the lockdown" proponents are perhaps not considering!

timsey tiger · 27-04-2020 02:11PM

NewZealand being in the middle of nowhere has nothing to do with this. The virus can't even cross the road with somebody bringing it.

27-04-2020 02:12PM

eagle eye wrote: »

We haven't even done that yet.

Yep, still 100,000 passengers a day coming through Dublin Airport?

27-04-2020 02:13PM

bekker wrote: »

Very true, and the current restrictions allow them to walk in a 2km radius from their residence, provide they social distance from all bar members of their own household when outside of it.

Would also be a big help if joggers and cyclists were to wear masks.

have you ever ran with a mask on?

Most i see running go out of their way to avoid people, most going onto the road to do so. I would not in any way discourage exercise by enforcing a mask. I find it very encouraging the amount of people out exercising, some obviously only taking it up.

Personally i would find it very difficult to run with a mask

Kermit.de.frog · 27-04-2020 02:14PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Yep, still 100,000 passengers a day coming through Dublin Airport

*sigh* :rolleyes:

27-04-2020 02:15PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Yep, still 100,000 passengers a day coming through Dublin Airport

is this true, who even in their right mind would want to travel

Kermit.de.frog · 27-04-2020 02:15PM

Deleted User wrote: »

is this true, who even in their right mind would want to travel

No, it is not true.

eagle eye · 27-04-2020 02:18PM

Deleted User wrote:

Yep, still 100,000 passengers a day coming through Dublin Airport

Well I don't know how many are going through but we've brought in fruit pickers and let them off trusting their employers to do things right.
That shouldn't be happening. State quarantine for anybody coming in here should be law until we have a vaccine for this thing.

893bet · 27-04-2020 02:19PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Yep, still 100,000 passengers a day coming through Dublin Airport

There are 13 flights due to land tomorrow and the next day.

Must be big ****ing planes to carry 100k. Assuming they are full.

https://www.dublinairport.com/flight-information/live-arrivals

Harry Palmr · 27-04-2020 02:19PM

Can the mods please just ban anyone who posts simple and provable lies on this thread?

Stheno · 27-04-2020 02:22PM

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Can the mods please just ban anyone who posts simple and provable lies on this thread?

Just report the posts, if they are actionable they will be dealt with

27-04-2020 02:22PM

Richard Hillman wrote: »

I don't know why we're being compared to New Zealand. If NZ ended up being badly affected it would have been a complete abomination of decision making.

The countries we should be looking at in comparisons are Austria, Slovenia, Croatia, Slovakia and Czech Rep. Of which considering their locale to Italy, what has happened here is a complete abomination of decision making.

Bear in mind Austria probably contributed most to the speed of spread all over Europe, while on the one hand making public statements that they were controlling the border with Italy, while on the other ignoring breakouts related to ski resorts, most notably Ischl where there is evidence from where it was spreading all over Europe from early February.
Was in Austria myself at the start of March. Compared to here there was zero information at Airports, Hotels etc. related to Covid-19, while even if we had no restrictions we had notices plastered everywhere.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-52384572

mandrake04 · 27-04-2020 02:25PM

wakka12 wrote: »

I dont understand the constant comparison to New zealand.Other than having the same population size, its pretty much where the comparisons end. Ireland dealt with a much larger outbreak, with widespread community transmission across the entire country, not every country has the same issues to deal with, not every country was working from the same starting point when the world woke up to the pandemic in March

Your are right a lot different.

NZ tested like hell when it mattered... at the start the middle and the end in a timely fashion. They did them themselves too.

They didn’t sit around with 30,000-40,000 samples for 2-3 weeks then send to another country to be test.

zinfandel · 27-04-2020 02:26PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Yep, still 100,000 passengers a day coming through Dublin Airport

Why are you scaremongering, they barely do 100k a day in the height of the summer, there are very few flights at the moment with only handfuls of people on most of them.

Ferris_Bueller · 27-04-2020 02:26PM

One of the things confusing me the most about this is some of the information around testing. We heard they are hoping to test 100,000 people a week a few days ago (won't have a capacity until mid May), but did they not say about 5 or 6 weeks ago that they were going to be able to test 15,000 per day? It feels like pie in the sky stuff talking about 100,000 tests per week and I feel like it is getting harder to believe them when they are talking about testing figures.

Similarly there was the talk of the contact tracing app a few weeks ago, all went quiet and then they talk about it again yesterday saying it will be ready in a month. It feels like they are just kicking the can down the road with some of these things and trying to make it sound like they are making more progress than they are.

bekker · 27-04-2020 02:27PM

Can understand the chafing effect of current restrictions on people unaccustomed to self-discipline (observation, not criticism).

I believe that the introduction of clear framework for the modification of restrictions would go a long way to alleviating such frustrations and maintain the highest level of voluntary compliance possible.

Something along the lines of when deaths reported per day drop to x for y days in succession z will happen, when they drop to x1 for y1 days in succession z1 will happen, etc.

That would only have a chance of working if the establishment can get their act together in providing consistent reporting of data and cease the mixed messaging.

If there is an inconsistency problem with data transmission over weekends then tell public why, what and how being done to mitigate.
eg Don't give individual figures for those three days but present them on Tuesdays as weighted averages for each day.

Unless people believe that they are being told the truth and presentented with realist goals they will increasingly adopt a 'sure it doesn't matter that much what I do, what does it really achieve' attitude.

Excluding from the above the 10-15% narcissistic idiots who are incapable of thinking beyond their own immediate personal gratification, there coercion is the only effective answer. +The general public need to see it being enforced on those idiots else they feel their own efforts are being mocked and useless.

keynes · 27-04-2020 02:27PM

eagle eye wrote: »

Well I don't know how many are going through but we've brought in fruit pickers and let them off trusting their employers to do things right.
That shouldn't be happening. State quarantine for anybody coming in here should be law until we have a vaccine for this thing.

Without doing this, we are destined for another surge, as summer travel starts up again. We are in fact setting ourselves up for a disaster as our unrestricted entry will be a great enticement to foreigners seeking summer breaks.

fly_agaric · 27-04-2020 02:27PM

wakka12 wrote: »

I dont understand the constant comparison to New zealand.Other than having the same population size, its pretty much where the comparisons end. Ireland dealt with a much larger outbreak, with widespread community transmission across the entire country, not every country has the same issues to deal with, not every country was working from the same starting point when the world woke up to the pandemic in March

It is a bit daft.

They have a whole ocean around them that takes a few hours to cross rather than a narrow bit of sea, and are still quite isolated when compared to ourselves.

We may be an island but it is not 1900 (!), or even 1980 any more.
We are in the EU + the Eurozone, we have one of the most "open" economies in the world with huge amounts of tourism and trade with several countries that have been quite badly hit by this virus.

Right up to mid March we were wide open to new cases coming in (returning citizens, as well as foreign tourists) from any of 6 or so countries which have have since had very large outbreaks.

Covid19 Part XVI- 21,983 in ROI (1,339 deaths) 3,881 in NI (404 deaths)(05/05)Read OP

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