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Covid19 Part XVI- 21,983 in ROI (1,339 deaths) 3,881 in NI (404 deaths)(05/05)Read OP

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  • #5672
    Mister Vain
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,236 ✭✭✭Mister Vain


    I see they're still dancing out in Dublin anyway.


  • #5673
    s1ippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,980 ✭✭✭s1ippy


    Mister Vain wrote: »
    I see they're still dancing out in Dublin anyway.
    Haven't they ever heard of "Inside, I'm Dancing"

    Just fúcking stay at home, how is that so hard


  • #5674
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    wakka12 wrote: »
    Worldometers

    I assume woldometers just added a lag of cases or antibody tests then if that news report is saying a different figure for new cases today in Spain

    Seems to be antibodies test results added over the course of about 12 days

    https://www.mscbs.gob.es/profesionales/saludPublica/ccayes/alertasActual/nCov-China/documentos/Actualizacion_88_COVID-19.pdf

    Increasingly to me the worldometers data, although interesting, is becoming less useful as a tool for analysing this. The antibodies test data is important, but adding these numbers to current figures prevents you from looking at trends, and can trigger alarm in people. This along with bulk adding of deaths and cases in multiple locations makes the the trending of data redundant. Perhaps as antibody testing becomes more widely available this should be a separate column to the new Cases column, with a combined total to give the full data location.
    One of the other issues with worldometer data is the massive difference in how cases and deaths are reported in each country. Without a standard approach it just becomes noise


  • #5675
    Gretas Gonna Get Ya!
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,245 ✭✭✭Gretas Gonna Get Ya!


    New Home wrote: »
    Can these volunteers be kept well away from everyone else who's still isolating (e.g., not have them go home if they're likely going to get in contact with someone who's isolating)? No, I guess not... I don't think it's going to work then... :/

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lambay_Island

    Lambay Island... becomes Covid19 Island? :pac:

    (Although we'll have to round up all the wallabies first:P)


  • #5676
    kwestfan08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,523 ✭✭✭kwestfan08


    s1ippy wrote: »
    Haven't they ever heard of "Inside, I'm Dancing"

    Just fúcking stay at home, how is that so hard

    Because people are a social species and some people are missing that connection with others after being in the house for five weeks. That's why it's hard.


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  • #5677
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    s1ippy wrote: »
    Those are from the following peer-reviewed publications:
    National Journal of Medicine
    Nature
    Journal of Cellular and Molecular Immunology

    The studies give a picture of what we know so far. They and I agree that further research is necessary before we can make any firm judgements. My decision having examined the available data is to wait for more information and stay out of society for as long as is possible and necessary in order to preserve the safety of myself and my loved ones.

    You are being disingenuous. Yes, those are publications that carry peer reviewed articles, but the articles you linked have not been evaluated and peer reviewed.

    By all means stay out of society if you believe that will keep you safe. That is your choice and you are entitled to it.


  • #5678
    The_Brood
    Closed Accounts Posts: 838 ✭✭✭The_Brood


    New Zealand - also an island, same size and population as Ireland - has now entirely eliminated the virus. What does this say about what has happened in Ireland? Will anyone be held accountable?


  • #5679
    petes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,382 ✭✭✭petes


    The_Brood wrote: »
    New Zealand - also an island, same size and population as Ireland - has now entirely eliminated the virus. What does this say about what has happened in Ireland? Will anyone be held accountable?

    It's about four times the size of Ireland with a population that is far less dense than Ireland.


  • #5680
    capefear
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 784 ✭✭✭capefear


    Apologies if posted already

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8260399/NHS-issues-doctors-urgent-alert-coronavirus-related-condition-children.html


  • #5681
    growleaves
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    Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lambay_Island

    Lambay Island... becomes Covid19 Island? :pac:

    (Although we'll have to round up all the wallabies first:P)


    My new home. Can you feed the wallabies?


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  • #5682
    grumpymunster
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,604 ✭✭✭grumpymunster


    The_Brood wrote: »
    New Zealand - also an island, same size and population as Ireland - has now entirely eliminated the virus. What does this say about what has happened in Ireland? Will anyone be held accountable?

    Not really comparable

    Ireland 70,273km2
    New Zealand 268,021km2

    Population density
    Ireland 68 people / km2
    New Zealand 18 people / km2

    Non the less commendable effort by NZ


  • #5683
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    A pleasing comment for some by another "expert"
    A GP registrar and registered pharmacist says the general public should wear face masks when out and about - particularly when in supermarkets.

    Dr Domhnall Herron said that covering noses and mouths in public may be part of the overall solution, as restrictions are eased.


  • #5684
    joe_99
    Closed Accounts Posts: 763 ✭✭✭joe_99


    The_Brood wrote: »
    New Zealand - also an island, same size and population as Ireland - has now entirely eliminated the virus. What does this say about what has happened in Ireland? Will anyone be held accountable?

    We have been down this road so many times. NZ is not comparable to Ireland.

    Fair play to them but unforntunately we are not 2000km from our nearest neighbours.


  • #5685
    owlbethere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭owlbethere


    kwestfan08 wrote: »
    The lockdown we have can't hold much longer. People by and large have been adhering to the restrictions and are getting fed up.

    A week longer after May 5th would be my guess as to the maximum people would take before they start properly flouting the rules and start meeting up again.

    Getting fed up will not be the reason for losing lockdown restrictions. Restrictions will be eased when community transmissions are lower. For quick testing turnaround and contact tracing.

    I'm sure the families with loved ones who died prematurely from covid19 would love to have their loved ones home to be fed up together.


  • #5686
    Seamai
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,250 ✭✭✭Seamai


    The_Brood wrote: »
    New Zealand - also an island, same size and population as Ireland - has now entirely eliminated the virus. What does this say about what has happened in Ireland? Will anyone be held accountable?

    It's extreme isolation with far fewer people moving in and out of the country has stood to them. In Ireland popping to a European city for a weekend is common place, we have hundreds of thousands living here who regularly travel back home for visits, we're much more mobile.


  • #5687
    bekker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 912 ✭✭✭bekker


    kwestfan08 wrote: »
    The lockdown we have can't hold much longer. People by and large have been adhering to the restrictions and are getting fed up.

    A week longer after May 5th would be my guess as to the maximum people would take before they start properly flouting the rules and start meeting up again.
    'People' in Ireland thinking of breaking the current restrictions should bear in mind that 60% of Irish adults are overweight.

    Being overweight is a risk factor for hypertension a risk factor for COVID-19, and Ireland very high % of undiagnosed hypertension.

    23% of Irish adults are obese which is an even greater risk factor for COVID-19.

    That total of 60% is in no way restricted to the over 65s, so the chances of ****ting on one of their contemporaries is higher than they think.


  • #5688
    Strazdas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,342 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Seamai wrote: »
    It's extreme isolation with far fewer people moving in and out of the country has stood to them. In Ireland popping to a European city for a weekend is common place, we have hundreds of thousands living here who regularly travel back home for visits, were much more mobile.

    Also, New Zealand had a big head start in that the virus arrived late to the country.

    Ardern has definitely done a great job, but she was helped by the remoteness of NZ and the small population.


  • #5689
    eagle eye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,528 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    joe_99 wrote:
    We have been down this road so many times. NZ is not comparable to Ireland.

    What about Auckland, Wellington and Christchurch?


  • #5690
    padz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 499 ✭✭padz


    bekker wrote: »
    'People' in Ireland thinking of breaking the current restrictions should bear in mind that 60% of Irish adults are overweight.

    Being overweight is a risk factor for hypertension a risk factor for COVID-19, and Ireland very high % of undiagnosed hypertension.

    23% of Irish adults are obese which is an even greater risk factor for COVID-19.

    That total of 60% is in no way restricted to the over 65s, so the chances of ****ting on one of their contemporaries is higher than they think.

    Good point they need the exercise and can't depend on the health system, outdoors be good for em


  • #5691
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    The_Brood wrote: »
    New Zealand - also an island, same size and population as Ireland - has now entirely eliminated the virus. What does this say about what has happened in Ireland? Will anyone be held accountable?

    Whatever about the arguments about mistakes that were made, New Zealand and Ireland are in no way comparable apart from Population size:

    New Zealand has over 3 times the land mass of Ireland resulting in a far low population density
    New Zealand is hours away from the nearest landmass, with limited day to day economic interaction with anywhere but Australia. Ireland had multiple flights a day throughout Europe, to locations where the virus was spreading rapidly well in advance of confirmed community cases anywhere in Europe.
    10'000s of Irish citizens completed trips throughout Europe for business and pleasure through late Feb and into MArch, before the scale of the problem was known and anyone outside east Asia had a lockdown. New Zealand on the other hand had limited amount of people returning from the infected areas in this time and there were therefore a fraction of the people going around spreading the disease for the 2-4 weeks to lockdown on the 23rd.

    They still did a truly excellent job in New Zealand, but did not face the challenges that Europe has faced


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  • #5692
    mandrake04
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,435 ✭✭✭mandrake04


    petes wrote: »
    It's about four times the size of Ireland with a population that is far less dense than Ireland.

    86% live in urban areas. Auckland and Wellington are more dense than Dublin and Cork
    • Auckland (1.5 Million people) ... Wellington (490,000 people) ... Christchurch (360,000 people) ... Hamilton (230,000 people) ... Tauranga (135,000 people) ... Napier / Hastings (130,000 people) ... Dunedin (120,000 people) ... Palmerston North (85,000 people)


  • #5693
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Seems to be antibodies test results added over the course of about 12 days

    https://www.mscbs.gob.es/profesionales/saludPublica/ccayes/alertasActual/nCov-China/documentos/Actualizacion_88_COVID-19.pdf

    Increasingly to me the worldometers data, although interesting, is becoming less useful as a tool for analysing this. The antibodies test data is important, but adding these numbers to current figures prevents you from looking at trends, and can trigger alarm in people. This along with bulk adding of deaths and cases in multiple locations makes the the trending of data redundant. Perhaps as antibody testing becomes more widely available this should be a separate column to the new Cases column, with a combined total to give the full data location.
    One of the other issues with worldometer data is the massive difference in how cases and deaths are reported in each country. Without a standard approach it just becomes noise
    Completely agree, I dont even really look at the 'new cases' tab anymore because it just is mostly meaningless. Like to somebody looking at Ireland, it looks like we are still reporting loads of new cases, but local people here would know the numbers are largely an icnrease in the amount of testing ,and the cases being mostly confined to hospitals and nursing homes


  • #5694
    Strazdas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,342 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Whatever about the arguments about mistakes that were made, New Zealand and Ireland are in no way comparable apart from Population size:

    New Zealand has over 3 times the land mass of Ireland resulting in a far low population density
    New Zealand is hours away from the nearest landmass, with limited day to day economic interaction with anywhere but Australia. Ireland had multiple flights a day throughout Europe, to locations where the virus was spreading rapidly well in advance of confirmed community cases anywhere in Europe.
    10'000s of Irish citizens completed trips throughout Europe for business and pleasure through late Feb and into MArch, before the scale of the problem was known and anyone outside east Asia had a lockdown. New Zealand on the other hand had limited amount of people returning from the infected areas in this time and there were therefore a fraction of the people going around spreading the disease for the 2-4 weeks to lockdown on the 23rd.

    They still did a truly excellent job in New Zealand, but did not face the challenges that Europe has faced

    I think I read that 100,000 people a day pass through Dublin Airport, all year round. Auckland airport would have nothing like those numbers (and that's not even taking into account things like the ferry ports).


  • #5695
    bekker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 912 ✭✭✭bekker


    padz wrote: »
    Good point they need the exercise and can't depend on the health system, outdoors be good for em
    Very true, and the current restrictions allow them to walk in a 2km radius from their residence, provide they social distance from all bar members of their own household when outside of it.

    Would also be a big help if joggers and cyclists were to wear masks.


  • #5696
    podgeandrodge
    Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    leahyl wrote: »
    They can but they shouldn't. My parents have been following it to the letter - haven't been outside the house in 5 weeks. It's really hard for my dad, moreso than my mum, as he would go for a walk in the local park every day and have GAA matches, booking office etc. I'm sure he's finding it hard but he doesn't complain.

    I would love if they were able to get outside the bounds of the house for a walk.

    As someone pointed out, it's not illegal, though highly recommended. Given it is to avoid risk to them, could they not find a time when they could have a quick walk around the block at a time when they can safely avoid bumping into oeiole.?

    begbysback wrote: »
    But people can go to parks and practice social distancing, the restrictions on group gatherings could remain to some extent, and still allow people their freedom.

    Problem is that they DON'T practice social distancing, as shown by the photos of people in parks being told to move on!


  • #5697
    TheAsYLuMkeY
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 634 ✭✭✭TheAsYLuMkeY


    Hi,

    If this has been discussed already I apologise,

    The stats on worldofdmeters has to be wrong, Ireland had over 9000 recoveries?

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

    https://www.covidvisualizer.com/


  • #5698
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Whatever about the arguments about mistakes that were made, New Zealand and Ireland are in no way comparable apart from Population size:

    New Zealand has over 3 times the land mass of Ireland resulting in a far low population density
    New Zealand is hours away from the nearest landmass, with limited day to day economic interaction with anywhere but Australia. Ireland had multiple flights a day throughout Europe, to locations where the virus was spreading rapidly well in advance of confirmed community cases anywhere in Europe.
    10'000s of Irish citizens completed trips throughout Europe for business and pleasure through late Feb and into MArch, before the scale of the problem was known and anyone outside east Asia had a lockdown. New Zealand on the other hand had limited amount of people returning from the infected areas in this time and there were therefore a fraction of the people going around spreading the disease for the 2-4 weeks to lockdown on the 23rd.

    They still did a truly excellent job in New Zealand, but did not face the challenges that Europe has faced

    All well and good, but there is a reason why New Zealand has animals that don't exist anywhere else in the world. And without a vaccine, their human population could go the same way. They might be just buying time.


  • #5699
    owlbethere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭owlbethere


    capefear wrote: »
    Apologies if posted already

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8260399/NHS-issues-doctors-urgent-alert-coronavirus-related-condition-children.html

    I saw the faces on some of the professionals speaking out about this in February for governments to take this seriously. One professional who was speaking on the BBC said he worked with the original Sars, mers and ebola and other diseases and this is worse than he's seen before. I think it's because it's so serious and so contagious. I also got a sense that there was something we weren't being told about this in order not to cause fear and panic. Is this it?


  • #5700
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Whatever about the arguments about mistakes that were made, New Zealand and Ireland are in no way comparable apart from Population size:

    New Zealand has over 3 times the land mass of Ireland resulting in a far low population density
    New Zealand is hours away from the nearest landmass, with limited day to day economic interaction with anywhere but Australia. Ireland had multiple flights a day throughout Europe, to locations where the virus was spreading rapidly well in advance of confirmed community cases anywhere in Europe.
    10'000s of Irish citizens completed trips throughout Europe for business and pleasure through late Feb and into MArch, before the scale of the problem was known and anyone outside east Asia had a lockdown. New Zealand on the other hand had limited amount of people returning from the infected areas in this time and there were therefore a fraction of the people going around spreading the disease for the 2-4 weeks to lockdown on the 23rd.

    They still did a truly excellent job in New Zealand, but did not face the challenges that Europe has faced

    Plus there are thousands of families that are split between England and Ireland.

    I hope, for this reason more than any other, that quarantine imposed on arrivals in both the UK and Ireland (which I would assume would be in place for a number of months) exempts those travelling within the Common Travel Area. I wont see my English family for a long time if I have to quarantine both on the way there and the way back


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  • #5701
    Seamai
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,250 ✭✭✭Seamai


    mandrake04 wrote: »
    86% live in urban areas. Auckland and Wellington are more dense than Dublin and Cork
    • Auckland (1.5 Million people) ... Wellington (490,000 people) ... Christchurch (360,000 people) ... Hamilton (230,000 people) ... Tauranga (135,000 people) ... Napier / Hastings (130,000 people) ... Dunedin (120,000 people) ... Palmerston North (85,000 people)

    Auckland average population density per km2: 1,300
    Dublin: 4,588


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