Is it just me or have SF vanished?

tikkahunter · 26-04-2020 01:04PM

McMurphy wrote: »

Hang on a minute, I've no problem with how they do their election process, I clearly stated on numerous occasions that if we are to go by the bar set by others, Leo getting the gig over Simon was undemocratic and predetermined.

Surely if that's the bar they set for the shinners, FG must have it applied to them too? Otherwise, bit hypocritical don't you think?

That's the spirit bishop, at the end of the day they're only words on a screen posted by a pseudonym.

I'm off to work for a couple of hours bit of an emergency, talk to you when I get back home again.

Hope the emergency isn’t too serious lad . Mc it was fixed for Mary Lou to get to the position she is in , she was strategically placed in areas wich would have a high SF vote to promote her , basically build her up bit by by bit to leader . How am I so sure ? Well it could of been a member of my family in her place . They walked away from SF because of what they had become and would be pushing for and would be forced to peddle something they had no belief in and be made jumped on the populist bandwagon . It is the reason I can’t stand them now and deep down the politicians like Dougherty , Mc Donald know that is not what they signed up for when they went into SF . Mary Lou knew by leaving FF she would have a much easier route to the top . She is far more intelligent than a lot in that party that stood in her way and the main part is she is female so they can go with the softer changed angle . Far more attractive to the voter than Adams or Ellis .

Shefwedfan · 26-04-2020 01:44PM

Mary Lou was identified a long way out by SF, simple face is she has a brain and isn't as big of a (insert your own description) as the rest of the "politicians" in the party, What other options would they have? people who shout "up da Ra", the one who robbed off a charity and slags people off on faceboojk, or the one married to a Garda killer. F**k me it is slim pickings in that group

I have no idea if this is true, someone mentioned it to me, Mary Lou was going down the FF route or was in FF, anyway no route to the top so she jumped ship into SF because she seen a quicker and easier route. As I said, a few people said it to me, could be BS

She is a good politician, dragged down by the rest of the party that is in SF

all about the mane · 26-04-2020 02:12PM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Mary Lou was identified a long way out by SF, simple face is she has a brain and isn't as big of a (insert your own description) as the rest of the "politicians" in the party, What other options would they have? people who shout "up da Ra", the one who robbed off a charity and slags people off on faceboojk, or the one married to a Garda killer. F**k me it is slim pickings in that group

I have no idea if this is true, someone mentioned it to me, Mary Lou was going down the FF route or was in FF, anyway no route to the top so she jumped ship into SF because she seen a quicker and easier route. As I said, a few people said it to me, could be BS

She is a good politician, dragged down by the rest of the party that is in SF

This is true

markodaly · 26-04-2020 02:14PM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Mary Lou was identified a long way out by SF, simple face is she has a brain and isn't as big of a (insert your own description) as the rest of the "politicians" in the party, What other options would they have? people who shout "up da Ra", the one who robbed off a charity and slags people off on faceboojk, or the one married to a Garda killer. F**k me it is slim pickings in that group

I have no idea if this is true, someone mentioned it to me, Mary Lou was going down the FF route or was in FF, anyway no route to the top so she jumped ship into SF because she seen a quicker and easier route. As I said, a few people said it to me, could be BS

She is a good politician, dragged down by the rest of the party that is in SF

On the money.

To be honest, if she stayed sane and in FF she would be Taoiseach by now. But it appears she drank the kool-aid on the Irish Republicanism.

Mortelaro · 26-04-2020 02:17PM

smurgen wrote: »

I'm making it up? Here's the words of a care home owner that had multiple deaths in a facility. Here are the standout comments for me:

"Speaking to RTÉ's Morning Ireland, the operator said that she had been concerned about the potential for infection at the beginning of last month and made the decision to restrict visitors to the nursing home on 6 March

However, when she consulted the authorities she was told the restrictions were unnecessary.

"I was told there was no need. We were to keep doing what we were doing.

"Thankfully Nursing Homes Ireland stepped in and recommended visitor restrictions," she said."

And

"As the Covid-19 pandemic developed she remained concerned at the pace of State supports and intervention.

"My words were - it will be potentially catastrophic to nursing homes if Covid comes in, and it has been.

"We needed to plan at the earliest opportunity and the guidelines should have been in place for long term care facilities as a priority."

And

""I raised it with authorities because I felt everybody had a right to be tested. Staff need to know to deliver care and residents and families have the right to know."

Following a change in criteria last week the operator requested tests for all residents and a considerable number tested positive"

Incredible stuff.

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0415/1130653-coronavirus-nursing-home/

Why do you consistently link to old news reports?
You do that all the time
Do you trawl the internet search engines, going down the list page by page until you find something out dated to moan about?
That one is a fortnight ago
A lot has happened since then
60% of the country's ppe by the way now goes to care home settings

Tokyo · 26-04-2020 02:51PM

Mod: @Shefwedfan - rein it in.

smurgen · 26-04-2020 02:59PM

Mortelaro wrote: »

Why do you consistently link to old news reports?
You do that all the time
Do you trawl the internet search engines, going down the list page by page until you find something out dated to moan about?
That one is a fortnight ago
A lot has happened since then
60% of the country's ppe by the way now goes to care home settings

Because timelines are important in this crisis. Putting in place measures now after people are sick or dead shows the impact the lack of quick action had. It displays the attempt to close the gate after the horse had bolted.
Plus the inevitable revisionism that will occur needs to be watched closely.

smurgen · 26-04-2020 03:04PM

Mortelaro wrote: »

Why do you consistently link to old news reports?
You do that all the time
Do you trawl the internet search engines, going down the list page by page until you find something out dated to moan about?
That one is a fortnight ago
A lot has happened since then
60% of the country's ppe by the way now goes to care home settings

Here's a more recent headline for you, 21 dead in a single nursing home.

https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/coronavirus-ireland-21-people-die-18151824

blanch152 · 26-04-2020 03:17PM

McMurphy wrote: »

Obviously the pair of you have very short memories, or else the O'Neil v O'Dowd leadership challenge flew under both your radars.

But on theses points specifically - I may even agree with you had the pair of you not been spouting complete and utter bollocks.

As already mentioned a few times by myself and others (but no one seems to want to grasp the nettle) going back to FGs leadership election, Coveney won more than twice the votes than Leo did, and yet the hierarchy within FG made leo the leader regardless. Going by the bar set here - that vote was either window dressing, predetermined, and an utter waste of time.

O'Dowd however very publicly made a leadership challenge against O'Neill, votes were cast during the ard fheis, and just like the Simon v Leo vote O'Neill got more than double the amount of votes than O'Dowd.

https://twitter.com/molloy1916/status/1197835117231783936?s=19

O'Dowd however didn't get the gig, because he did not win the vote.

Let the backpedalling but but buts commence.

Poorly researched - blindly following the narrative. No point coming back and trying a rebuttal, there is none.

The Soviet Union often had a patsy as well in the election process, as did other "democratic" regimes over the years.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/sinn-f%C3%A9in-grassroots-left-in-dark-on-deputy-leadership-challenge-1.4084418

"It has been dubbed the political contest that never was."

I wouldn't be holding up O'Dowd vs O'Neill as any exemplar of any kind of democracy. In fact, it completely backs up my view.

blanch152 · 26-04-2020 03:22PM

christy c wrote: »

What was the issue with the FG leadership election? The process was very clearly laid out before the election where all candidates were aware.

Its weighted to the parliamentary party correctly in my view, with ordinary members having a much smaller say.

It is pretty similar to how many other political parties run their elections.

all about the mane · 26-04-2020 03:38PM

blanch152 wrote: »

It is pretty similar to how many other political parties run their elections.

Not SF

Mortelaro · 26-04-2020 06:30PM

smurgen wrote: »

Here's a more recent headline for you, 21 dead in a single nursing home.

https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/coronavirus-ireland-21-people-die-18151824

That's actually a district hospital. I'm sure there will be an investigation there as in all hospitals as to how things went
I'd imagine a world wide shortage of PPE contributed
I doubt it was infection control once the disease got in
This crisis is only 60 days old
Moaning about its impact devoid of facts is petty in my opinion

atticu · 26-04-2020 09:33PM

McMurphy wrote: »

Obviously the pair of you have very short memories, or else the O'Neil v O'Dowd leadership challenge flew under both your radars.

But on theses points specifically - I may even agree with you had the pair of you not been spouting complete and utter bollocks.

As already mentioned a few times by myself and others (but no one seems to want to grasp the nettle) going back to FGs leadership election, Coveney won more than twice the votes than Leo did, and yet the hierarchy within FG made leo the leader regardless. Going by the bar set here - that vote was either window dressing, predetermined, and an utter waste of time.

O'Dowd however very publicly made a leadership challenge against O'Neill, votes were cast during the ard fheis, and just like the Simon v Leo vote O'Neill got more than double the amount of votes than O'Dowd.

https://twitter.com/molloy1916/status/1197835117231783936?s=19

O'Dowd however didn't get the gig, because he did not win the vote.

Let the backpedalling but but buts commence.

Poorly researched - blindly following the narrative. No point coming back and trying a rebuttal, there is none.

Do you expect people to take SF’s word on an internal SF vote?
It was not an open and transparent vote that any independent person could verify.
Do you really think that people are so stupid?

Actually, it seems that you have already answered that.

McMurphy wrote: »

The others, if I typed out what I thought about their intelligence levels here is probably get a ban, so I'm not going to go there.

Numptiness.

Stay classy.

gormdubhgorm · 26-04-2020 09:57PM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Mary Lou was identified a long way out by SF, simple face is she has a brain and isn't as big of a (insert your own description) as the rest of the "politicians" in the party, What other options would they have? people who shout "up da Ra", the one who robbed off a charity and slags people off on faceboojk, or the one married to a Garda killer. F**k me it is slim pickings in that group

I have no idea if this is true, someone mentioned it to me, Mary Lou was going down the FF route or was in FF, anyway no route to the top so she jumped ship into SF because she seen a quicker and easier route. As I said, a few people said it to me, could be BS

She is a good politician, dragged down by the rest of the party that is in SF

She is not the only one in family to have went down the Republican route - despite the plummy Dublin Rathgar voice.
Her sister Joanne McDonald used to be involved in Eirigi

26-04-2020 10:16PM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

She is not the only one in family to have went down the Republican route - despite the plummy Dublin Rathgar voice.
Her sister Joanne McDonald used to be involved in Eirigi

Didnt she paintball or something to do with paint anyway,mary harney at 1 stage with red paint iirc

Jinglejangle69 · 26-04-2020 10:19PM

Love the irony of SF comrades calling Leo and Eoghan Murphy posh boys.

When Mary Lou and Eoin O Brion(Blackrock College boy) grew up exactly the same.

gormdubhgorm · 26-04-2020 10:37PM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Love the irony of SF comrades calling Leo and Eoghan Murphy posh boys.

When Mary Lou and Eoin O Brion(Blackrock College boy) grew up exactly the same.

There is a reason why SF pick them and promote them. They want to move away from the AOS, Dessie Ellis types and make the party respectable.

I just watched Mary Lou on the Late Late. She had the neck to go on about the hypocrisy of FF/FG etc etc in saying that SF are not fit for government.

Yet in the very next question she very awkwardly answered the David Cullinane - 'up the ra' question. She seemed to bluff the answer after going on about FF/FG wanting it both ways in the previous question. And said the 'up the ra' statement is part of republicanism and is said even used outside SF circles (who was never clarified). Although she can understand how it can make some people uncomfortable that are not used to it!

Basically a bluffers answer. And she neither condemned the phrase 'up the ra' nor directly condemned David Cullinane's use of the phrase. A classic SF stance in my view - dancing around the edges. She even said to Tubridy that he would have to ask Cullinane why he said it - despite knowing full well Cullinane's views on it!

Shefwedfan · 26-04-2020 10:44PM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

There is a reason why SF pick them and promote them. They want to move away from the AOS, Dessie Ellis types and make the party respectable.

I just watched Mary Lou on the Late Late. She had the neck to go on about the hypocrisy of FF/FG etc etc in saying that SF are not fit for government.

Yet in the very next question she very awkwardly answered the David Cullinane - 'up the ra' question. She seemed to bluff the answer after going on about FF/FG wanting it both ways in the previous question. And said the 'up the ra' statement is part of republicanism and is said even used outside SF circles (who was never clarified). Although she can understand how it can make some people uncomfortable that are not used to it!

Basically a bluffers answer. And she neither condemned the phrase 'up the ra' nor directly condemned David Cullinane's use of the phrase. A classic SF stance in my view - dancing around the edges. She even said to Tubridy that he would have to ask Cullinane why he said it - despite knowing full well Cullinane's views on it!

She made a balls of the David cullinane, she didn’t condemn it and that tells you what she is dealing with in that party

SF will never change

gormdubhgorm · 26-04-2020 10:50PM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

She made a balls of the David cullinane, she didn’t condemn it and that tells you what she is dealing with in that party

SF will never change

Yeah she could not say time has moved on we need to move away from this phraseology etc etc. As it would have been a slap in the face to the hardline SF supporters and recent 'republican history'. So she had to couch the thing in waffle.

26-04-2020 10:54PM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Yeah she could not say time has moved on we need to move away from this phraseology etc etc. As it would have been a slap in the face to the hardline SF supporters and recent 'republican history'. So she had to couch the thing in waffle.

Aye,gives SF new TDs great cover politically too,as any time they fcuk up,cullinane will be wheeled out to distract and set off outrage culture among those who would never vote SF

The man apoligised,so he cant,nor should he do anymore to appease irrational people,who cant accept that.....

gormdubhgorm · 26-04-2020 11:03PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Aye,gives SF new TDs great cover politically too,as any time they fcuk up,cullinane will be wheeled out to distract and set off outrage culture among those who would never vote SF

The man apoligised,so he cant,nor should he do anymore to appease irrational people,who cant accept that.....

It was interesting that when Cullinane was forced to give a half assed apology for the sake of PR - he used exactly the similar phrase Gerry Adams used back in the 80's.

"I've never distanced myself from the IRA"

They are well trained in phraseology, I will give them that.

26-04-2020 11:09PM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

It was interesting that when Cullinane was forced to give a half assed apology for the sake of PR - he used exactly the similar phrase Gerry Adams used back in the 80's.

"I've never distanced myself from the IRA"

They are well trained in phraseology, I will give them that.

The lad apoligised for any offence caused....kinda hard to expect more from anyone imo

Like it would be wrong to expect someone to deny their beliefs imo,noone has to agree with them,but everyone is entitled to their's (even those who favour target the poorest fiscal policies,i inherently disagree with em,but respect their worldview)..

...the world is a big scary place and not everyone is gonna agree on everything all the time,and thats ok too

gormdubhgorm · 26-04-2020 11:15PM

Deleted User wrote: »

The lad apoligised for any offence caused....kinda hard to expect more from anyone imo

Like it would be wrong for someone to deny their beliefs imo,noone has to agree with them,but everyone is entitled to their's.....the world is a big scary place and not everyone is gonna agree on everything all the time,and thats ok too

I dunno he was clearly playing to the 'in' crowd. When Culinane was found out. He denied he said it - first did not realise he was filmed. It was only when it was pointed out he was filmed did he admit it first off.

If he was so proud of his beliefs why deny it at the start? Also he was never in 'active service' it seemed to me he just wanted to be vicariously part of the gang/club.

Jinglejangle69 · 26-04-2020 11:28PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The lad apoligised for any offence caused....kinda hard to expect more from anyone imo

Like it would be wrong to expect someone to deny their beliefs imo,noone has to agree with them,but everyone is entitled to their's (even those who favour target the poorest fiscal policies,i inherently disagree with em,but respect their worldview)..

...the world is a big scary place and not everyone is gonna agree on everything all the time,and thats ok too

What are you even on about?

So once a person has beliefs they are OK to continue?

Racists have their beliefs. They can offend but once they apologise that's grand according to you.

Sure continue.

As you were.

Leo has beliefs, doesn't stop you ranting every day about him.

You are more confused than Scooby Doo.

26-04-2020 11:31PM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

I dunno he was clearly playing to the 'in' crowd. When Culinane was found out. He denied he said it - first did not realise he was filmed. It was only when it was pointed out he was filmed did he admit it first off.

If he was so proud of his beliefs why deny it at the start? Also he was never in 'active service' in NI it seemed to me he just wanted to be vicariously part of the gang/club.

I have little intention of speaking for anyone else so may have to ask him.such qs...

You may be right in your assestment,given it was in mansion house at 2am anything is possible :pac:

Quite how he didnt know he was filmed is beyond me,as i seen several snapchats from that night,even in the video on irish times there was several people recording it?

Id love to see a poll conducted here to see if he damaged him long term,as he was unreal popular......its one city where they seem to have turned it around after diastorus council elections of few years ago....be interesting to see,if it stalled them on ground

26-04-2020 11:33PM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

What are you even on about?

So once a person has beliefs they are OK to continue?

Racists have their beliefs. They can offend but once they apologise that's grand according to you.

Sure continue.

As you were.

Leo has beliefs, doesn't stop you ranting every day about him.

You are more confused than Scooby Doo.

Yes,people are entitled to their racist beliefs (obv not ideal like),but im not the taught-police...ive no interest in telling people how to think??

(Like ive no interest in telling likes of arlene foster,how to think etc,once they arent offending people and willing to be civil,what more can you reasonably expect?)

Name 1 occasion,where i have ever ranted about leo,wasnt me brah.....seems to me,only person confused here is you

Colonel Claptrap · 27-04-2020 08:00AM

SF online supporters group urges members not to share news articles to prevent media from making money from clicks. Instead they should copy content from the articles and distribute for free.

A nasty way for SF supporters to give the big bad media a kicking when they are already on the floor.

Interesting that SF claimed it had nothing to do with the online group yet the group immediately changed one of it's rules when told to do so by SF HQ.

https://www.businesspost.ie/sinn-fein-disavows-advice-on-media-from-supporters-group-21a007e2

all about the mane · 27-04-2020 08:41AM

Colonel Claptrap wrote: »

SF online supporters group urges members not to share news articles to prevent media from making money from clicks. Instead they should copy content from the articles and distribute for free.

A nasty way for SF supporters to give the big bad media a kicking when they are already on the floor.

Interesting that SF claimed it had nothing to do with the online group yet the group immediately changed one of it's rules when told to do so by SF HQ.

https://www.businesspost.ie/sinn-fein-disavows-advice-on-media-from-supporters-group-21a007e2

So many parallels between SF and trump

maccored · 27-04-2020 09:29AM

the fear is real alright. this is a right gossip thread at this rate.

Jizique · 27-04-2020 09:45AM

all about the mane wrote: »

So many parallels between SF and trump

And UKIP/Farage

Is it just me or have SF vanished?

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