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Dee Forbes banging the RTE TV licence drum again 60m uncollected fee *poll not working - pl ignore*

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  • #4262
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 15,752 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    MrMusician18 wrote: »
    Now, I hate RTE as much as the next man, but, at this time I wouldn't actually begrudge RTE some assistance. And to be fair, the pandemic crisis does illustrate the value of public service broadcasting and to be fair, they have done an ok job of it.

    That's not too give them a free pass though. Their current coverage hasn't been inquisitive enough at times and all too willing to accept the government line. This though isn't unique to RTE, as Irish journos are generally far too pally with those in power. And of course there is the fine line between being inquisitive and undermining the national effort.


    Im 100% behind keeping RTE, keeping the TV license etc


    But do we really need to be giving them stupid money. From the link, revenue is to drop 25-35% but the top exec take a 10% cut?? no numbers on what this 10% cut is or how much is lost on the 25-35%


    Saying they are putting in a pay freeze?? like FFS really


    Using 50% of leave, but that is paid leave so it doesn't really reduce cost


    This seems like not really tackling the problem. More like trying to hide the underlying issues that existed before Covid.


  • #4263
    Nevin Parsnipp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 832 ✭✭✭Nevin Parsnipp


    masculinist wrote: »
    RTE should be based outside the M50 where its easier to access for the whole country. The Montrose site is worth billions and should be given over to social housing.
    A slimmed down modern studio on cheaper land outside the m50 or in a location which needs investment is the proper thing to do. Just like when building prisons etc. They could save a small town like e.g Moneygalls post office, Garda station or school just by being there. Dublin 4 doesn't need a taxpayer funded monstrosity to survive.

    Why social housing .? Why not affordable housing.?

    Have an issue with social housing ....given the reported massive arrears in local authority rents and the extensive state funded help given to this cohort.

    Nothing personal in this but I am concerned that we are heading for a divide between those that pay for everything and those who pay for very little.

    And that is unsustainable in the long term.......


  • #4264
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 15,752 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    No messing, sat down after putting down kids and wife goes “rte have new house show I want to watch”

    Take a guess what it is....you couldn’t make it up


  • #4265
    dirkmeister
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,686 ✭✭✭dirkmeister


    We watched Building Ireland last night.

    It was excellent, really interesting and informative.

    They followed it up with that rubbish from Catherine Fulvio.

    I’m sure she’s a lovely person but the whole premise of her show is stupid.


  • #4266
    masculinist
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,616 ✭✭✭masculinist


    Nevin Parsnipp wrote: »
    Why social housing .? Why not affordable housing.?

    Have an issue with social housing ....given the reported massive arrears in local authority rents and the extensive state funded help given to this cohort.

    Nothing personal in this but I am concerned that we are heading for a divide between those that pay for everything and those who pay for very little.

    And that is unsustainable in the long term.......

    I find mentioning social housing tends to focus the minds of those living in that bubble who constantly have a bleeding heart and vote that way provided Anyone but them pays for it .


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  • #4267
    ShamNNspace
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,031 ✭✭✭ShamNNspace


    One would expect that rte1 would be able to keep a Saturday sports of sorts going these days instead of some programme with wall to wall music. Iv been impressed by how the off the ball crew have kept going each evening with inventive programming on sports books, controversies, archives and interesting interviews, naming teams of the Premier era and such like.. Where are all the sports department gone? The only one I've heard on is Cahill and that 20 min desert island disc type programme with the usual suspects Mary o rourke, one of the Barry theatre family and one of the O Se's. The whole thing to me reeks of a "couldn't give a s**t attitude"


  • #4268
    Nevin Parsnipp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 832 ✭✭✭Nevin Parsnipp


    masculinist wrote: »
    I find mentioning social housing tends to focus the minds of those living in that bubble who constantly have a bleeding heart and vote that way provided Anyone but them pays for it .

    :confused:


  • #4269
    masculinist
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,616 ✭✭✭masculinist


    Nevin Parsnipp wrote: »
    :confused:

    Look how bothered the idea made you.
    You'll guaranteed find any number of "experts" dismissing the idea of social housing or halting sites at Montrose if faced with it. The money in that neighborhood from residents groups will pay experts if barristers and such minded people from that area themselves don't act. It's time we had a halting site and a methadone clinic in Donnybrook instead of only paying lip service to diversity inside an exclusive nimby echo chamber :D
    RTE needs to jump before it is pushed.


  • #4270
    AndyBoBandy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,207 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    Even in normal times is it not a bit grim to be showing Casualty at 8am on a Sunday morning, followed by Holby City right after it at 8:50am, never mind in these times of Covid-19 with hospitals/sickness/death the only topic on the news every single day.


  • #4271
    Nevin Parsnipp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 832 ✭✭✭Nevin Parsnipp


    masculinist wrote: »
    Look how bothered the idea made you.
    You'll guaranteed find any number of "experts" dismissing the idea of social housing or halting sites at Montrose if faced with it. The money in that neighborhood from residents groups will pay experts if barristers and such minded people from that area themselves don't act. It's time we had a halting site and a methadone clinic in Donnybrook instead of only paying lip service to diversity inside an exclusive nimby echo chamber :D
    RTE needs to jump before it is pushed.

    You might need to stop describing anyone who disagrees with you as being bothered ?

    Your initial post put forward the idea of turning over the Montrose site to Social Housing.

    That could be up to 5k dwellings depending on density as the site is huge.

    I am concerned that anybody would consider putting that number of Social Houses in the one site is a good idea...given the experiences of other large local authority and social housing schemes in our cities and towns.

    I am on the side of the hard working young people who pay their taxes and seek to provide decent housing for themselves and their families without undue recourse to the State.

    This is why I say "affordable" housing is at least as important as social housing although the leftie politicos with the bullhorns never seem to recognise this.

    For myself I have no problem living in proximity to any class or colour as long as they behave reasonably in accordance with social norms.

    Hardly too much to ask for is it ?


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  • #4272
    Idbatterim
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,691 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    The rte site is getting about 600 apartments...


  • #4273
    Nevin Parsnipp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 832 ✭✭✭Nevin Parsnipp


    Idbatterim wrote: »
    The rte site is getting about 600 apartments...

    ....and ? (waiting for the second shoe to drop)


  • #4274
    retalivity
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,370 ✭✭✭✭retalivity


    Idbatterim wrote: »
    The rte site is getting about 600 apartments...

    That's only the small portion they sold - think it was about 15-20% of the whole site.
    If they sold the rest of the site and moved out of the m50, a whole new town could be built on the site.


  • #4275
    Kivaro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,105 ✭✭✭Kivaro


    retalivity wrote: »
    That's only the small portion they sold - think it was about 15-20% of the whole site.
    If they sold the rest of the site and moved out of the m50, a whole new town could be built on the site.
    The logical/environmental/fair-use of that site would be to dedicate it specifically to affordable housing for working/contributing people/families in that community and surrounding areas.


  • #4276
    gooseman12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 117 ✭✭gooseman12


    I just cannot for the life of me understand what the line of thinking is in terms of scheduling at rte.
    Take the new drama show this week, normal people, seems to be a high quality production, great director, great reviews from the guardian etc...
    The BBC consider it so highly they schedule it for a Monday night double bill from 9 to 10, prime time, prime audience etc
    RTE deem it unworthy of such a high profile slot and shift it to a Tuesday night at 10:15 not finishing until 11:25
    Now I don't know about everyone but I would imagine that timeslot is simply too late to gain an audience it potentially could gain given a better timeslot, ie people are just gone to bed at that point.
    And what are they showing to prevent it being on earlier? More Primetime on rte1 cos we can never have enough primetime and god forbid they'd actually use a dedicated news channel for providing more news coverage and on rte 2, blue bloods.
    I just don't get it


  • #4277
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,596 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    gooseman12 wrote: »
    I just cannot for the life of me understand what the line of thinking is in terms of scheduling at rte.
    Take the new drama show this week, normal people, seems to be a high quality production, great director, great reviews from the guardian etc...
    ...

    All very true - peak time entertainment for RTE consists or Clair Byrne Live, Prime Time, RTE investigates, Crimecall, Operation Transformation (ugh)
    A trend of two hours of bad news pretty much Mon to Fri to sleep on, like you say most of those could be on the news channel which is just repeating the news ad nauseum


  • #4278
    Gen.Zhukov
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,164 ✭✭✭Gen.Zhukov


    I note all the news readers, reporters and presenters look the same as always.

    No grey roots, home cuts, scraggy hair. Everyone groomed to perfection. The full teams of beauticians, stylists, colourists, makeup artists are all deemed essential workers.

    Guard: Where are you going?
    I'm on my way in to RTE to try make Marty Morrissy look good.
    Right, go on. God speed.


  • #4279
    ButtersSuki
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 53,028 ✭✭✭✭ButtersSuki


    I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw RTE1 were showing Killinaskully last night at 8pm. The show was never funny, is I'm assuming around 10 years old at this atge and this, in 2020 is what RTE consider good prime time viewing on a Sunday night when the country is in lockdown?


  • #4280
    AndyBoBandy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,207 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    Rose of Tralee cancelled so there's another few quid for RTÉ to spunk elsewhere......


  • #4281
    RabbleRouser2k
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,834 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    ButtersSuki wrote: »
    I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw RTE1 were showing Killinaskully last night at 8pm. The show was never funny, is I'm assuming around 10 years old at this atge and this, in 2020 is what RTE consider good prime time viewing on a Sunday night when the country is in lockdown?

    RTE have been advertising it for a while. I know folks who used to love that show.
    There were certain places in IReland where you'd meet pretty much every character in that show. I couldn't get into it, but I didn't hate it either.
    (It wasn't Mrs Browns boys, which I genuinely despise-yet I know people who love it).
    AndyBoBandy wrote: »
    Rose of Tralee cancelled so there's another few quid for RTÉ to spunk elsewhere......

    Ah nooo... sure how will millions of Irish people argue over 'Is there anything else on' or 'Can we not just watch Netflix instead?' this August?

    And will there be an exception made for girls who are technically too old to be in the ROT after this year?

    I suppose with all this testing going on, they couldnt' quite give an accurate answer on whether or not proper testing would be available to prevent the use of Performance Enhancing Rosary Beads.

    PERBS were a real problem even as recently as 2 years ago.


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  • #4282
    ButtersSuki
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 53,028 ✭✭✭✭ButtersSuki


    AndyBoBandy wrote: »
    Rose of Tralee cancelled so there's another few quid for RTÉ to spunk elsewhere......

    Coming this summer:
    Joe Duffy's Guide to Ireland's Best Graveyards (whilst staying in 5 Star Hotels around the country)


  • #4283
    RabbleRouser2k
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,834 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    ButtersSuki wrote: »
    Coming this summer:
    Joe Duffy's Guide to Ireland's Best Graveyards (whilst staying in 5 Star Hotels around the country)

    Don't forget the 20 minute eulogy on his good friend Gerry Ryan.

    Or the one hour special dedicated to Gay Byrne's grave.


  • #4284
    ButtersSuki
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 53,028 ✭✭✭✭ButtersSuki


    Mr. Duffy retweeted this:
    https://twitter.com/BryanCranston/status/1254196639138340864?s=20

    No doubt laughing and sneering at the stupidity of Trump.....whilst ignoring the fact he said that we're an island so the virus can't come here, AND even if it comes no-one will die from it.

    Mr. Duffy thinks irony is something that is copper-coloured.


  • #4285
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,596 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Just been watching Normal People after hearing about it on Liveline - jaysus there is some real backward people still alive in Ireland if they take offence about seeing titties or a very vague shot of a willy
    Never expected to like it as not their demographic but have binge watched it and enjoyed it

    BUT why does it take foreign TV companies to do Irish shows??? (Father Ted...)
    This could have been a blinder for RTE - it's getting rave review, would have been mass marketable or is it a little too risque for RTE?
    I expected some kind of RTE support message at the end of the episodes but seems they had nothing to do with it all

    Screw supporting local enterprise unless it's bottom of the barrel, cheapest to make junk
    Instead lets remind people of one half decent program we made 20 years ago and just show that again (Bachelors Walk - used to live there)


  • #4286
    RabbleRouser2k
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,834 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    fritzelly wrote: »
    Just been watching Normal People after hearing about it on Liveline - jaysus there is some real backward people still alive in Ireland if they take offence about seeing titties or a very vague shot of a willy
    Never expected to like it as not their demographic but have binge watched it and enjoyed it

    BUT why does it take foreign TV companies to do Irish shows??? (Father Ted...)
    This could have been a blinder for RTE - it's getting rave review, would have been mass marketable or is it a little too risque for RTE?
    I expected some kind of RTE support message at the end of the episodes but seems they had nothing to do with it all

    Screw supporting local enterprise unless it's bottom of the barrel, cheapest to make junk
    Instead lets remind people of one half decent program we made 20 years ago and just show that again (Bachelors Walk - used to live there)

    I avoided it-the reviews I read were mixed. Some even had issues with the romance, and other's called it chick lit fantasy.

    RTe, bizarrely, won't take a gamble on something unless it's co-financed by someone or some other production company. (Damo and Ivor was co-financed by Wesley Quirke's own company. Didn't stop him using funding money to pay his cousin a massive wage). Nowhere Fast was them thinking 'twitter follows/ insta follows' means audience.
    I doubt even ten percent of her follows on either platform tuned in to that show.

    RTe, at the moment, don't want to offend. It's all 'safe' television-the few times they stray, they end up f**king up completely.
    They most definitely won't fund dramas-so instead we'll get another property or cookery show.
    Cheap to make.


  • #4287
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,596 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    RabbleRouser2k wrote: »
    They most definitely won't fund dramas-so instead we'll get another property or cookery show.
    Cheap to make.

    Exactly that!
    What was the last program they produced/financed (that didn't have ulterior motives for some) that was mass marketable
    The Beeb produce award winning material that is sold worldwide

    PBS produce programs that are resold around the world

    RTE is far too much a closeted cohort of a cartel with only one objective of protecting their own kind


  • #4288
    RabbleRouser2k
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,834 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    fritzelly wrote: »
    Exactly that!
    What was the last program they produced/financed (that didn't have ulterior motives for some) that was mass marketable
    The Beeb produce award winning material that is sold worldwide

    RTE is far too much a closeted cohort of a cartel with only one objective of protecting their own kind

    This might sound like I'm supporting them, but far from it. But I've noticed the discerning opinion, the complete 'batcrap, insane' opinions are sort of 'barred' from Irish TV. Now, I in no way, support those insane opinions...
    But there was a time when someone like PAt Kenny would bring on that person, discuss and debate them, then slowly allow themselves to bury themselves. (Such as he allowed Justin Barrett to do, among others). He knew the best way to let these idiots destroy themselves was to bring them on tv... and destroy themselves.

    Case in point-Gemma O'Doherty, or John Waters. You couldn't bring these two onto tv now, because the likes of Tubridy, or Claire Byrne, wouldn't just make them look good, they'd make them look like patriots. (And with Waters, you'd have to add a disclaimer 'No, this is not Covid-19 related hair care... he's always looked like this').
    And I think that's how they garnered any kind of celebrity (especially O'Doherty).


  • #4289
    NIMAN
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,505 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Is the governmemt paying rte for the wall to wall adverts re: the coronavirus on the radio?


  • #4290
    RabbleRouser2k
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,834 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    NIMAN wrote: »
    Is the governmemt paying rte for the wall to wall adverts re: the coronavirus on the radio?

    Yep.


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  • #4291
    Brock Turnpike
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,995 ✭✭✭Brock Turnpike


    I see there was yet another Brendan Grace show on Rte last night. Fella has been on RTE more since he died than he was in the previous 10 years. RTE are a shambles. Bank Holiday Sunday prime time slot.


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