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The UK response to Covid-19 [MOD WARNING 1ST POST]

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭Joe_ Public


    RobMc59 wrote: »
    I am pointing out the reckless behaviour which I believe is comparable to earlier mistakes.If the Gardai have been told not to arrest people in breach of regulations this is potentially even worse.

    No worries, not going to bother asking a third time.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,831 ✭✭✭RobMc59


    Enzokk wrote: »
    I am confused on why you seem to want to bring this up. People from the UK are being told its okay to break UK lockdown rules and you want to make it about us in Ireland not arresting them?

    Cheltenham=bad/irresponsible
    Anfield =bad/irresponsible
    Donegal=bad/irresponsible


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,430 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    Scotland:
    In hospital: 1,735 (-13)
    In ICU: 133 (-7)
    Total confirmed cases: 10,324 (+273)
    Total deaths with confirmed COVID-19: 1,249 (+18)

    Therefore as it stands, there are a minimum of 1,950 (1,249+701) deaths in Scotland (confirmed and suspected)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,831 ✭✭✭RobMc59


    No worries, not going to bother asking a third time.

    How is this any different to irresponsible,reckless behaviour we've seen elsewhere?If anything it's worse.
    The debarcles at Anfield and Cheltenham were awful and the UK authorities should have disallowed it.The Gardai in Donegal should stop this.
    Edit:there were many Irish liverpool fans at Anfield that night they played Madrid.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭Joe_ Public


    RobMc59 wrote: »
    How is this any different to irresponsible,reckless behaviour we've seen elsewhere?If anything it's worse.
    The debarcles at Anfield and Cheltenham were awful and the UK authorities should have disallowed it.The Gardai in Donegal should stop this.
    Edit:there were many Irish liverpool fans at Anfield that night they played Madrid.

    I have to ask again what reckless behaviour are we talking about? Are hordes of thousands of revellers crossing the border daily to partake in great Cheltenham or anfield like festivals of fun? Are there examples you can link to give an idea of the scale here?

    Gardai have to operate within the law, dont they? I dont know what exactly they are doing to tackle it because the article you posted doesnt explain.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,210 ✭✭✭pablo128


    RobMc59 wrote: »
    How is this any different to irresponsible,reckless behaviour we've seen elsewhere?If anything it's worse.
    The debarcles at Anfield and Cheltenham were awful and the UK authorities should have disallowed it.The Gardai in Donegal should stop this.
    Edit:there were many Irish liverpool fans at Anfield that night they played Madrid.
    If the nordies plan on staying in the republic for any longer than a day trip, then where they stay is considered their home address, and then our rules apply to them in regard to that address. The likes of holiday homes etc.

    Normal laws still apply to them too. Road traffic acts etc.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,054 ✭✭✭Enzokk


    RobMc59 wrote: »
    How is this any different to irresponsible,reckless behaviour we've seen elsewhere?If anything it's worse.
    The debarcles at Anfield and Cheltenham were awful and the UK authorities should have disallowed it.The Gardai in Donegal should stop this.
    Edit:there were many Irish liverpool fans at Anfield that night they played Madrid.


    I am still struggling here. Has Ireland lifted the lockdown and I can leave the house?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,831 ✭✭✭RobMc59


    I have to ask again what reckless behaviour are we talking about? Are hordes of thousands of revellers crossing the border daily to partake in great Cheltenham or anfield like festivals of fun? Are there examples you can link to give an idea of the scale here?

    Gardai have to operate within the law, dont they? I dont know what exactly they are doing to tackle it because the article you posted doesnt explain.

    So quite rightly,Anfield and Cheltenham is Britain's fault whilst non compliance in Ireland is..Britain's fault as well?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,831 ✭✭✭RobMc59


    pablo128 wrote: »
    If the nordies plan on staying in the republic for any longer than a day trip, then where they stay is considered their home address, and then our rules apply to them in regard to that address. The likes of holiday homes etc.

    Normal laws still apply to them too. Road traffic acts etc.

    They should be subject to the same laws as Irish citizens immediately,regardless of whether they're on a day trip or going to a holiday home which is also wrong.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,210 ✭✭✭pablo128


    RobMc59 wrote: »
    They should be subject to the same laws as Irish citizens immediately,regardless of whether they're on a day trip or going to a holiday home which is also wrong.

    I agree.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭Joe_ Public


    RobMc59 wrote: »
    So quite rightly,Anfield and Cheltenham is Britain's fault whilst non compliance in Ireland is..Britain's fault as well?

    I dont know what anfield or Cheltenham has to do with it, just some point you're trying to stretch here. I dont know the law, dont know what powers the gardai have or dont have to act in whatever unspecified incidents you're talking about here. The situation sounds a bit concerning but also complicated so without further details i dont think there's much more to say.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,337 ✭✭✭CelticRambler


    RobMc59 wrote: »
    They should be subject to the same laws as Irish citizens immediately,regardless of whether they're on a day trip or going to a holiday home which is also wrong.

    They should be, indeed, same as the French will fine you regardless of what nationality you claim, if you're found wandering the streets of Paris or wherever without good reason ... but if there are people leaving their homes in NI to enter the Republic on a day-trip, then that's a failure of the UK authorities to effectively enforce UK rules on UK citizens. Remember we had a court case recently where it was successfully argued that anyone born & bred in NI is a UK citizen first and foremost.

    Given that the UK authorities are unwilling/unable to enforce their own rules, it would be a simple matter, I'm sure, to amend the emergency legislation to require all arrivals into the Republic, regardless of where they're coming from, to be quarantined for 14 days - much the same as many other countries are doing. That'd sort the problem out PDQ. :pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,089 ✭✭✭Happy4all


    UK figures well down today. Have they past the peak?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 763 ✭✭✭joe_99


    Happy4all wrote: »
    UK figures well down today. Have they past the peak?

    Let's hope so but early to say yet. I'm not sure but Sunday may be a factor too from a reporting aspect.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,088 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    I think it is worth pointing out that it will put strain on the NHS, but in terms of dealing with the virus the NHS has managed capacity.

    It's also worth pointing out that the UK won't be alone with a backlog of elective surgery. This virus is putting a strain on health services all over the world. The UK isn't a special case in this regard.

    Can you please stop with all the whataboutery.

    This is a thread about the UK response and yet everytime we talk about the UK response we get a statements like the above. It's mind numbing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35 030802


    RobMc59 wrote: »
    I think this link about what`s going on along the border is as bad as Cheltenham or Madrid fans at Anfield.
    https://www.derrynow.com/news/news/537917/gardai-ordered-not-to-arrest-anyone-from-northern-ireland-for-covid-19-breaches-report.html

    Is the comparison you are making between cheltenham and the photo of the beach? Is that not a stock photo of the beach. I'd assume that it is, but if not, then I agree that the Gardai need to sort it.
    I really don't think it is a photo of a scene during Covid19 though


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,862 ✭✭✭Whatsisname


    Happy4all wrote: »
    UK figures well down today. Have they past the peak?

    The peak was the 8th of April. It’s been on a steady decline since.

    [url]


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭Joe_ Public


    030802 wrote: »
    Is the comparison you are making between cheltenham and the photo of the beach? Is that not a stock photo of the beach. I'd assume that it is, but if not, then I agree that the Gardai need to sort it.
    I really don't think it is a photo of a scene during Covid19 though

    I was wondering the same and thought, surely not. But you can never be sure on here sometimes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,054 ✭✭✭Enzokk


    These press briefings are a waste of time. Nobody is answering the question posed to them and if it is a difficult question then there is no follow up allowed. Today a question was asked about the makeup of the SAGE Group and the answer from Prof Stephen Powis was that he is part of SAGE and his name is known. How is that answering the question?

    Also, how do they know care home deaths are going down? Some waffle about how deaths are recorded but nothing on how they know the deaths are going down. There is a problem when the scientists starts talking like politicians and it seems like they are only trying to cover their backs here.

    Once again the mantra, following the science, was mentioned. Also, they will make the right decisions in the future at the right times. No you won't, are these guys idiots? Do they know the future to know they will make the right decisions? People are stupid enough to fall for these charlatans, telling you every day they have made the right decisions by following the science and any future decision will be the right one at the right time.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,831 ✭✭✭RobMc59


    They should be, indeed, same as the French will fine you regardless of what nationality you claim, if you're found wandering the streets of Paris or wherever without good reason ... but if there are people leaving their homes in NI to enter the Republic on a day-trip, then that's a failure of the UK authorities to effectively enforce UK rules on UK citizens. Remember we had a court case recently where it was successfully argued that anyone born & bred in NI is a UK citizen first and foremost.

    Given that the UK authorities are unwilling/unable to enforce their own rules, it would be a simple matter, I'm sure, to amend the emergency legislation to require all arrivals into the Republic, regardless of where they're coming from, to be quarantined for 14 days - much the same as many other countries are doing. That'd sort the problem out PDQ. :pac:

    I pointed something out which I thought was unacceptable and a slap in the face of all Irish people following restrictions.
    It's the Gardai who should be ensuring people comply,regardless of where they're from just as the British authorities should have nipped events at Anfield and Cheltenham in the bud.
    I have no idea how things are going along the rest of the Irish border(I only saw this article as I have an interest in Donegal)although wonder if there's this kind of problem around places like the mountains of Mourne which I'd imagine is also somewhere daytrippers might head.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,385 ✭✭✭lainey_d_123


    There's an absolutely insane level of p1ss taking today.

    Went out for a brief walk and the streets are absolutely rammed. The small parks full of people sitting having picnics, playing football in large groups, nobody is even remotely trying to maintain distance on the pavements anymore. I'd say a month ago people would actively try to avoid others, now nobody moves.

    They might as well just relax restrictions in the next few weeks because the public has lockdown fatigue and they are simply not being followed. Either that, or they need to tighten them up and actually enforce them.

    Right now we're in some weird in-between zone where you can't live a normal life, but people are not respecting the lockdown, so the virus is still going to be spreading.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,862 ✭✭✭Whatsisname


    There's an absolutely insane level of p1ss taking today.

    Went out for a brief walk and the streets are absolutely rammed. The small parks full of people sitting having picnics, playing football in large groups, nobody is even remotely trying to maintain distance on the pavements anymore. I'd say a month ago people would actively try to avoid others, now nobody moves.

    They might as well just relax restrictions in the next few weeks because the public has lockdown fatigue and they are simply not being followed. Either that, or they need to tighten them up and actually enforce them.

    Right now we're in some weird in-between zone where you can't live a normal life, but people are not respecting the lockdown, so the virus is still going to be spreading.

    I went for a walk with my partner yesterday in Manchester and walked passed two parks that were heaving with people having picnics and just chilling out. There’s definitely a lot more people out and about now than a few weeks ago. I’m still actively trying to avoid being near people where I can, some groups of people like to still walk 3 abreast on the footpaths tho, forcing others into the road, don’t think that’ll ever change.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,661 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Had a chat with a pal from Manchester today and he said they are in a bad way there.

    1,200 Deaths - 500,000 population

    Compare with London

    4,500 - 9 Million Population

    No chance they will end this lock down shortly IMO.

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,383 ✭✭✭S.M.B.


    It's a shame that people are getting fatigued already but at the end of the day I think a family having a picnic or a group of housemates kicking the ball around a field is small fish when it comes to really flattening this curve or suppressing it entirely.

    Not sure if I think the UK should have gone into a harder lockdown at the time they did or if they've got the balance correct.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,385 ✭✭✭lainey_d_123


    I went for a walk with my partner yesterday in Manchester and walked passed two parks that were heaving with people having picnics and just chilling out. There’s definitely a lot more people out and about now than a few weeks ago. I’m still actively trying to avoid being near people where I can, some groups of people like to still walk 3 abreast on the footpaths tho, forcing others into the road, don’t think that’ll ever change.

    It's gotten to the point here where it's completely impossible to avoid people now. Even if I actively try to move away, there are just too many people around for it to be possible. Earlier there was a group of 3 people coming towards me. Tried to move to cross the road, but there was a cyclist coming, and then I saw there were another 3 people on the opposite pavement, so I literally had nowhere to go. And this is a residential street! Have seen kids playing in the road in multiple streets, football games and people hanging around chatting.

    It is really that bad in London now. Either we forget the idea of 'distancing' and go back to normal (with shops, bars, cafes etc. remaining closed for another few months), and stop trying to avoid people, or the police start enforcing it strictly, because it is NOT working.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,862 ✭✭✭Whatsisname


    Had a chat with a pal from Manchester today and he said they are in a bad way there.

    1,200 Deaths - 500,000 population

    Compare with London

    4,500 - 9 Million Population

    No chance they will end this lock down shortly IMO.

    1200 deaths is the total for Greater Manchester, not the city. So it’s 1200 deaths in a population of 2.8 million.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,960 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    There's an absolutely insane level of p1ss taking today.

    Went out for a brief walk and the streets are absolutely rammed. The small parks full of people sitting having picnics, playing football in large groups, nobody is even remotely trying to maintain distance on the pavements anymore. I'd say a month ago people would actively try to avoid others, now nobody moves.

    They might as well just relax restrictions in the next few weeks because the public has lockdown fatigue and they are simply not being followed. Either that, or they need to tighten them up and actually enforce them.

    Right now we're in some weird in-between zone where you can't live a normal life, but people are not respecting the lockdown, so the virus is still going to be spreading.

    I live in London and I'm seeing this myself. A local takeaway has reopened and is operating as normal with people coming in and out. My favourite local park has picked up with the high end of the amount of people I would expect to be there.

    Whether or not this has been well handled is debatable. I personally think that the lockdown was delayed for too long and allowing huge events like the Cheltenham festival to proceed as normal was a mistake. We will not know properly for years or even decades after this is over.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,661 ✭✭✭brickster69


    1200 deaths is the total for Greater Manchester, not the city. So it’s 1200 deaths in a population of 2.8 million.

    I did a look at the numbers quickly, must of missed the Greater part. That's better news than thought.

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,392 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    I live in London and I'm seeing this myself. A local takeaway has reopened and is operating as normal with people coming in and out. My favourite local park has picked up with the high end of the amount of people I would expect to be there.

    Whether or not this has been well handled is debatable. I personally think that the lockdown was delayed for too long and allowing huge events like the Cheltenham festival to proceed as normal was a mistake. We will not know properly for years or even decades after this is over.

    Is that legal?


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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    There's an absolutely insane level of p1ss taking today.

    Went out for a brief walk and the streets are absolutely rammed. The small parks full of people sitting having picnics, playing football in large groups, nobody is even remotely trying to maintain distance on the pavements anymore. I'd say a month ago people would actively try to avoid others, now nobody moves.

    They might as well just relax restrictions in the next few weeks because the public has lockdown fatigue and they are simply not being followed. Either that, or they need to tighten them up and actually enforce them.

    Right now we're in some weird in-between zone where you can't live a normal life, but people are not respecting the lockdown, so the virus is still going to be spreading.
    It's thankfully not like that out in the provinces.

    Was out for my exercise today and was only one small bit where there were so many people out for their walks /runs/ cycles that it was causing a traffic jam of people and knowhere to escape out to. I should have known better than to go that way and taken another path, but plenty of other places to go with next to nobody there, or if they were they were all being very respectful and leaving each other plenty of space.

    It very much changes depending on how close you are to the centre of the local population centre. Always head away from the centre of the town/ city.


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