Covid19 Part XVI- 21,983 in ROI (1,339 deaths) 3,881 in NI (404 deaths)(05/05)Read OP

ACitizenErased · 26-04-2020 12:06PM

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

And the number of deaths increased yesterday.

I don’t know how many times its been said in this thread that the death figures are notifications and not number of deaths on the day

bloodless_coup · 26-04-2020 12:07PM

Still waters wrote: »

How anyone is taking any countries reporting seriously is beyond me, most countries are massaging the figures, and to believe dictatorships like Iran or China are being truthful is beyond naive, even Britains reporting of deaths leads to serious questions the British media don't seem inclined to ask, china could have deaths in the 100s of 1000s and they won't reveal the true numbers

Everyone is a conspiracy theorist these days. People so badly want to believe China are filling mass graves and burning piles of bodies.

What benefit is there to falsely report case numbers and death rates?

ek motor · 26-04-2020 12:08PM

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0426/1134885-is-this-the-way-to-amarillo/

Pure cringe

Fr_Dougal · 26-04-2020 12:09PM

crossman47 wrote: »

The number of reported deaths increased

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I don’t know how many times its been said in this thread that the death figures are notifications and not number of deaths on the day

And how do we know that the daily drop in numbers in ICU isn’t due, mostly, to deaths?

We don’t.

Wombatman · 26-04-2020 12:10PM

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

Yet again it must be repeated that the death counts by country are more or less useless because countries are not all using the same criteria. As for herd immunity, it's very existence has yet to be proven.

Sweden are counting care home deaths FWIW.

Surprised to see that we were 215 deaths per million yesterday and they were 217.

jackboy · 26-04-2020 12:12PM

Eamon Ryan now doing a TV piece outside in the street. Totally unnecessary, he could do this at home. Why do rte continuously show people breaking he rules?

Jim_Hodge · 26-04-2020 12:13PM

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

And how do we know that the daily drop in numbers in ICU isn’t due, mostly, to deaths?

We don’t.

We do know, because those figures were given. I haven't them to hand but more recovered from ICU than died.

stephenjmcd · 26-04-2020 12:14PM

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

And how do we know that the daily drop in numbers in ICU isn’t due, mostly, to deaths?

We don’t.

Well yes we do as each daily update gives the number discharged from ICU and the number that unfortunately passed away in ICU

Downlinz · 26-04-2020 12:14PM

Numbers in ICU and hospital are actually increasing? How is that happening? No hope for restrictions being removed any time soon if this is the level of spread happening in a lockdown.

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1254331746478436353

keynes · 26-04-2020 12:17PM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

However, in order to truly assess how well the Irish government, the public service and the HSE are and have been responding to this pandemic, we must contrast and compare. When we do, by all metrics, Ireland has responded well by comparison with our closest neighbour.

Comparing our performance to a country that was initially going for herd immunity (i.e., get as many infected as possible) seems an absurd benchmark. I'd also add that the UK has a much larger minority population than us, which makes any comparison even more dubious. Compared to other relatively small countries (Portugal, Denmark, NZ etc), our performance has been dreadful.

wellwhynot · 26-04-2020 12:17PM

The last figures I saw for total deaths from Covid since this began in ICU is 50 people.

Does anyone know why that figure is so small compared to the total deaths?

ACitizenErased · 26-04-2020 12:19PM

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

And how do we know that the daily drop in numbers in ICU isn’t due, mostly, to deaths?

We don’t.

https://twitter.com/fergalbowers/status/1254364681902403584?s=21

Peak was about 270 afaik which lines up with the ~50 ICU deaths

Solli · 26-04-2020 12:19PM

Brilliant paper
https://quillette.com/2020/04/23/covid-19-superspreader-events-in-28-countries-critical-patterns-and-lessons/

Gynoid · 26-04-2020 12:20PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I don’t know how many times its been said in this thread that the death figures are notifications and not number of deaths on the day

Mary ate 10 cakes Monday, 30 cakes Tuesday, 40 cakes Wednesday, 30 cakes Thursday, 40 cakes Friday, 50 cakes Saturday and 60 cakes on Sunday. That means Mary ate 260 cakes that week.
On Monday it was reported that Mary ate 7 cakes, on Tuesday 40 cakes, on Wednesday 40 cakes, on Thursday 70 cakes, on Friday 40 cakes, on Saturday 33 cakes and on Sunday it was reported that Mary ate 30 cakes. She still ate 260 cakes over the week. And she slightly increased her cake eating feats over the week even though her reporting of eating cakes made it look like her cake eating reduced in the second half of the week.

I.e. the numbers reported spread out over time all the time every time. You cannot say Oh but it is not really that amount, it is just reported. And Mary is fat no matter how she reports.

Okay

i have out done myself in mental maths and have to go lie down in a dark room.

Strumms · 26-04-2020 12:20PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

https://twitter.com/fergalbowers/status/1254364681902403584?s=21

Peak was about 270 afaik which lines up with the ~50 ICU deaths

A good statistic to see all things considered.

Fr_Dougal · 26-04-2020 12:20PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

https://twitter.com/fergalbowers/status/1254364681902403584?s=21

Peak was about 270 afaik which lines up with the ~50 ICU deaths

Yes, but these numbers are the reported numbers, not the actual daily numbers.

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! · 26-04-2020 12:21PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I don’t know how many times its been said in this thread that the death figures are notifications and not number of deaths on the day

Why does it matter what day the actual death occurred?

It's still a death... whether it gives us a high total yesterday, today or tomorrow is somewhat irrelevant. If deaths are going up, it's going to show in the statistics... regardless of what day they are officially confirmed. (would be helpful if notifications were consistent though)

GooglePlus · 26-04-2020 12:21PM

wellwhynot wrote: »

The last figures I saw for total deaths from Covid since this began in ICU is 50 people.

Does anyone know why that figure is so small compared to the total deaths?

I'd say that number is well up now, there'd be more than 50 out of 1000 odd having died in ICU but a lot of people die before ICU or in nursing homes.

Charles Babbage · 26-04-2020 12:22PM

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

And the number of deaths increased yesterday.

Deaths will tend to reduce the number in ICU.

Strumms · 26-04-2020 12:23PM

Gynoid wrote: »

Okay i have out done myself in mental maths and have to go lie down in a dark room.

Before you do that, you better go check on Mary. :eek:

ACitizenErased · 26-04-2020 12:24PM

https://twitter.com/fergalbowers/status/1254370217599385602?s=21

speckle · 26-04-2020 12:25PM

For anybody or a family member or friend with an autoimmune disease. Autoimmune diseases are called cinderella diseases because of a lack of funding for research and medical specialists.

https://www.aarda.org/aarda-covid-19/
one of the best umbrella organisation for info.
list at bottom of page for indivual disease organisations.

https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/welcome-to-the-scientific-library/854095-national-briefing-with-cdc-covid-19-autoimmune-disease

The above has time stamped contents for the hour long video on the aarda website between cdc epidemologist and autoimmune specialists and an aarda rep qith deequently asked patient questions near the end on covid.

https://www.benaroyaresearch.org/blog/post/covid-19-coronavirus-11-things-people-autoimmune-disease-should-know
non profit reaearch organisation into 80+ autoimmune diseases.

https://www.arthritisireland.ie/covid-19
handy diagram for should I cocoon or stay home.

Edit: please NOTE: autoimmune diseases and their treatments may be very individualistic and some are very rare with only a handful of patients in the country.
so please CONSULT YOUR OWN GP OR SPECIALIST OR CONSULTANT for indidvual advice regarding covid.

keynes · 26-04-2020 12:28PM

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »

Why does it matter what day the actual death occurred?

It's still a death... whether it gives us a high total yesterday, today or tomorrow is somewhat irrelevant. If deaths are going up, it's going to show in the statistics... regardless of what day they are officially confirmed. (would be helpful if notifications were consistent though)

Similar to the way people were arguing that the "German lab results" were irrelevant since they were delayed!

26-04-2020 12:30PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfN2JWifLCY

Gynoid · 26-04-2020 12:32PM

ek motor wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0426/1134885-is-this-the-way-to-amarillo/

Pure cringe

Ahhh jayziz, you are harsh. I think she did a great job. Good rhythm and confidence, good camera work, a bit of craic.

iamwhoiam · 26-04-2020 12:32PM

Is the Mass on RTE live ?? The choir are all bunched on top of each other

Fr_Dougal · 26-04-2020 12:33PM

Charles Babbage wrote: »

Deaths will tend to reduce the number in ICU.

That’s the point I’m trying to make, Charles.

We seem to be receiving very lumpy reports from the HSE, 25 one day, and 50 the next.

When there are reports of a drop in real time ICU numbers you’d wonder will we see an increase in reported deaths in the coming days.

This graph, to me, doesn’t look like it’s flattering down:

wellwhynot · 26-04-2020 12:33PM

GooglePlus wrote: »

I'd say that number is well up now, there'd be more than 50 out of 1000 odd having died in ICU but a lot of people die before ICU or in nursing homes.

As of the 16th April there were 44 deaths in ICU.

I am sure I read in the update last Thursday the total ICU deaths was either 50 or 60 so still low in the scheme of things.

tobefrank321 · 26-04-2020 12:40PM

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

1 million recovered tells us nothing about whether there is lasting immunity on its own.

People weren't cured either, they recovered.

Cured/recovered is exactly the same thing.

I've noticed you like playing word games.

As for posting wikipedia articles I posted a small number all of which have citations at the bottom. You clearly have no clue how wikipedia works, none. They are a summary of a large number of sources any of which you can read up if you weren't so lazy. Clearly too much work.for you!

As with Tony you are also no longer worthy of my time and going on ignore. Goodbye

wellwhynot · 26-04-2020 12:41PM

wellwhynot wrote: »

As of the 16th April there were 44 deaths in ICU.

I am sure I read in the update last Thursday the total ICU deaths was either 50 or 60 so still low in the scheme of things.

I just found the information in The Times. Only 50 deaths in ICU from Covid as of 23rd April. Seems very low.

Covid19 Part XVI- 21,983 in ROI (1,339 deaths) 3,881 in NI (404 deaths)(05/05)Read OP

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