Covid19 Part XVI- 21,983 in ROI (1,339 deaths) 3,881 in NI (404 deaths)(05/05)Read OP

tobefrank321 wrote: »

I'm not going to get into this nonsense with you again.

They said there was no human to human transmission. This is a matter of record, not open to dispute. They were wrong. They were also wrong about banning travel to and from hotspots. Again not open to dispute.

They are now on their own webpage calling into question the accuracy of antibody tests, tests which are critical for front line workers for example.

Their mistakes deliberate or otherwise have cost tens of thousands of lives.

They said there was no evidence. That wasn't emphatically saying there isn't person to person transmission. It's saying there was an absence of evidence. Which was true. So what you are saying here is very much open to dispute.

tobefrank321 wrote: »

They didn't say we are not sure if there is evidence or no evidence for immunity.

They ignored any evidence for immunity.

They ignore 1 million cured in favour of a small study or studies where even the authors can't explain the reason for the results.

If a new drug was discovered in the morning that cured 99% of covid 19 patients, would you argue there's no evidence for a cure? Of course.

1 million recovered tells us nothing about whether there is lasting immunity on its own.

People weren't cured either, they recovered.

Tony EH wrote: »

I'm beginning to think that that poster has some serous comprehension difficulties.

Recovering from something and being cured aren't necessarily the same thing, as you correctly state ODB. Just the same as saying that having no evidence doesn't equate to concluding whether something is or isn't happening.

But feels comfortable pontificating about what the health service, labs and WHO should be doing based on fairly blatant Wikipedia-level science knowledge.

ek motor wrote: »

There are over 70 vaccines announced currently. A few are in Phase 1 human trials. One in America, one in UK and one being developed by Sinovac in China.

I have high hopes for the London trial. I hope the American vaccine succeeds too because there was Galway man working in a lab in Washington working on a vaccine. It would be super if an Irish person had a part to play in a vaccine.

Vitamin K2 is supposed to help with blood clotting. Vitamin k2 can be found in green leafy vegetables.

When someone gets flu they are generally too unwell to eat and keep down food. My understanding of aches and pains experienced during a flu is that, is body is drawing nutrients from anywhere in the body to keep functioning and keep going.

It wouldn't be any harm to be prepared with a multivitamin that contains the vitamin k2.

Tony EH wrote: »

Fingers crossed for sure.

But bear in mind that the common cold has yet to be vaccinated successfully and AFAIK, that is a Coronavirus too, albeit on a non-fatal level. Also, no vaccine was found for SARS either.

Out of everything to do with this Coronavirus outbreak, my own biggest pause for thought has been that if Covid-19 were to successfully mutate into variant strands every year or every few years that circumvent potential vaccines, we could be looking at a very bad situation indeed, that could leave humanity living with this virus for the indefinite future.

There really hasn't been a major virus or disease in human history, that we haven't at least managed to get under reasonable control... even if it wasn't possible to outright cure it.

This is a huge challenge for both medical science and society. But we probably couldn't be living in a better period in human history, in terms of doing battle with something like this.

Of course, the counter argument might be that there could always be some super-virus out there, that will threaten our very existence as a species... that's the worry I suppose. But then a virus needs living hosts to survive itself, so it doesn't actually make much sense for it to be that deadly. (Assuming it's created by nature, and not cooked up in a lab by people with evil intentions)

Tony EH wrote: »

As far as I know, there have been numerous attempts to find a cure for the common cold and none have been successful. I think at this stage, we have just sorta given up, because it only puts us out of action for a few days anyway.

However, whether the common cold is "mild" or not, is not the point I'm getting at. The point I'm making is that if Covid can mutate like the common cold does, we are in a very serious predicament indeed.

The common cold is not a coronavirus, it's a rhinovirus...

And the early research suggests that the coronavirus causing covid19 does not mutate anywhere near as fast as something like the common cold or even seasonal flu.

JP100 wrote: »

Sad to say it but the rest of 2020 is a write off. It's now only if 2021 brings alot more positive experience and there's no guarantee of that either.

Many people are worried about summer being written off by this... but really that is short-sighted. (Not to mention shallow and trivial too) We need to get this under control before the flu season next autumn and winter... forget about getting a grip on this in the next couple of months.

Nobody should really care about summer being ruined anyway... when people are dying.

fritzelly wrote: »

There's many viruses that cause the common cold, coronavirus is one of them

Far more commonly it's a rhinovirus though. Coronaviruses only make up a very small % typically.

dePeatrick wrote: »

How fast does it mutate? Has it mutated much already?

Yes, there have been several mutations already recorded... but based on what I've been reading, they think it's mutating relatively slowly right now.