The UK response to Covid-19 [MOD WARNING 1ST POST]

RobMc59 wrote: »

I asked if anyone had watched it-I have`nt scoured the internet after watching it so no,I have`nt checked with the BBC if it`s fake although the suggestion that China had been researching bio weapons was only one theory in the documentary which you would know if you`d watched it.

I didn't ask if you scoured the internet to check if it is false, I asked if you read the link to the blog about wrong facts of the virus. One of them is about Covid-19 being created in a lab. At the moment no evidence exists that it was created in a lab. As for the other claims, I think it is irresponsible to ask people to watch a video when it has been shown to you that it is spreading misinformaton.

Scientific analysis of the evidence shows the virus came from animals, and was not man-made.

A peer-reviewed study in March found no evidence the coronavirus had been engineered, stating that "it is improbable that SARS-CoV-2 emerged through laboratory manipulation."

So we have a peer-reviewed study, which is more scrutiny than the advice that SAGE gave the UK Government has been following, saying that there is no evidence that it has been engineered.

Then another claim,

The video also refers to a study from Indian researchers that claimed to find four new sequences had been inserted into the new coronavirus, which were also present in HIV, to suggest the virus is man-made.

But that paper, never peer-reviewed, was withdrawn by its authors. And the genetic information that it had matched is common in many other organisms.

"Those sequences are so short that they match with many different organisms, not just HIV. It doesn't mean they're related," says Dr Jeremy Rossman, a virologist at the University of Kent.

Was this another claim that piqued your interest in the video?

splinter65 wrote: »

It must be very difficult for you to be in a permanent state of perplexity at just how bloody many millions of people don’t agree with you. Do you ever think at all that maybe it’s you is the “gullible” one? Swallowed a bit too much of the Left propoganda? Reading The Gaurdian online? Tuning in to Ch4 news?

Thought about it. Nope.

MadYaker wrote: »

There's no point trying to have a debate with blinding. He's updet because his beloved brit government has botched the coronavirus response and as a result thousands of extra people are now dead. Enquiries are coming.

There is something quite distasteful about using coronavirus victims as ammunition to attack your political opponents but then again one shouldn't be surprised after 3 years of doing nothing else at such a strangely fervent level.

Of course it's not like remainers et al arn't aware that this is a tricky one for them but I've noticed how they have 'managed' this, which is to dial up the rhetoric over a few days and suddenly dial it back by expressing faux concern for the number of deaths and acknowledge that it's a difficult situation. I see that cycle on this thread, twitter, and the general UK media from all the usual suspects, one example of which I mentioned earlier. The thing is though it's just all so obvious, even the 17.4 million xenophobes dullards in the UK can see it.

splinter65 wrote: »

It must be very difficult for you to be in a permanent state of perplexity at just how bloody many millions of people don’t agree with you. Do you ever think at all that maybe it’s you is the “gullible” one? Swallowed a bit too much of the Left propoganda? Reading The Gaurdian online? Tuning in to Ch4 news?

Ideology is not all it's cracked up to be imo. It must feel like supporting a football team that never wins I'd imagine.

RobMc59 wrote: »

In a thread about the UK response to covid 19,mentioning the UK vaccine is reasonable imo.

Once again, it is not a UK vaccine.

Also, you don't care where it is made.

I find all this tricky tbh. Because you see all this going down from a distance, 100s and probably 1000s of people dying because of political decisions taken, negligence and ideology costing lives and yet bitter experience counsels you against any rational conviction that those responsible will be held accountable.

I wonder when it finally sinks in to people that the earlier dismissed models of 60,000 or more deaths was actually not too far off the money, and they have fared so comparitvily badly to almost everywhere else, will there be a public clamour for a reckoning? Would be good to think so anyway.

RobMc59 wrote: »

In a thread about the UK response to covid 19,mentioning the UK vaccine is reasonable imo.

What about mentioning a conspiracy video claiming the virus was created in a Chinese lab? Is that reasonable?

'm not sure that the uk looking for a vaccine qualifies under the heading "good news". I mean it's the minimum you'd expect, yeah?

Of course its encouraging if they're truly making good progress but i dont know if I'm the only one a bit nonplussed to hear the oxford people say they expect to have a million doses ready by September. I thought scientists were supposed to be innately conservative and cautious, but that sounds like stuff politicians come out with. I'd be concerned they're just stirring up false hopes and thats actually potentially quite dangerous.

theological wrote: »

There will definitely be lessons learned after this as to how to better deal with pandemics, but the truth is that the UK is basically following the same trajectory as other large European countries with the exception of Germany.

Maybe some lessons to be learned about how to better deal with building a better health system and a more equal society so that when a crisis does come it isnt always those less well off and most vulnerable who are left to bear the brunt of it.

Ps I see non hospital deaths still dont count in your world. Even the politicians are beginning to acknowledge that massive jumbo in the room.

There has been attempts to draw parallels between the criticism of the UK Government and the criticism of Brexit on this thread. I would say it is easy to make that assumption, because posters think Brexit is a terrible idea they are automatically predisposed to have a negative view on any of the news coming out of the UK on Covid-19.

https://twitter.com/DavidDavisMP/status/1253980130462007296?s=20

https://twitter.com/DavidDavisMP/status/1253980133435850752?s=20

I wonder what this guy's beef is with the UK Government?

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

One thing I've noticed is that we're now not supposed to question British experts but it was fine to complete disregard them when it came to voting for Brexit.

I'd also be keen to know how many NHS staff, carers and scientists are EU migrants that the British people have made feel unwelcome.

Maybe an English stat might be more relevant:

In March 2019, 28% of doctors in English hospital and community health services were foreign nationals.

S.M.B. wrote: »

I believe the Oxford vaccine is piggybacking off a pre existing vaccine with the hope that the hoops it needs to go through to get approval are shortened as a result. I assume that's why expectations to deliver soon seem loftier than elsewhere and its not due to political spin demands.

Thats fair enough. I've seen them interviewed a few times, Sarah Gilbert i think is one of the lead researchers names, and they come across well but i find it still a bit offputting that they would set such clear targets like that. Maybe its fine and I'm overegging this, i just assumed it was in scientists natures to be over cautious if anything. Like Merkel comes across for example.

Edit: just seen this headline in telegraph. Just feels like they see this as already a done deal, like anointing scott a conquering hero before he set out for the pole!!

"Meet Sarah Gilbert, the female scientist leading Oxford vaccine team - and about to make history."

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

One thing I've noticed is that we're now not supposed to question British experts but it was fine to complete disregard them when it came to voting for Brexit.

I'd also be keen to know how many NHS staff, carers and scientists are EU migrants that the British people have made feel unwelcome.

100% this, Gove said famously and early in the brexit debacle that people had had enough of experts, suddenly though hes all about following the scientific advice of experts. Conservative hypocrisy at its finest