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Covid19 Part XVI- 21,983 in ROI (1,339 deaths) 3,881 in NI (404 deaths)(05/05)Read OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,347 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    If the real cfr is around 0.7% as studies like the ones in Italy and New York are suggesting then we've had around 150,000 cases here so far if you base it off number of deaths. According to the gov confirmed cases are at 18,184 which just highlights how pathetic our testing is. If we ever want get out of this mess we need to do ten times more testing. We need to work towards testing everyone in the country to get a full picture of whats actually happening.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,636 ✭✭✭the.red.baron


    MadYaker wrote: »
    If the real cfr is around 0.7% as studies like the ones in Italy and New York are suggesting then we've had around 150,000 cases here so far if you base it off number of deaths. According to the gov confirmed cases are at 18,184 which just highlights how pathetic our testing is. If we ever want get out of this mess we need to do ten times more testing. We need to work towards testing everyone in the country to get a full picture of whats actually happening.

    No just no

    If I test you today and you don't have, do I have to test you again in a week to see if you have it now?

    How many tests do you want


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,255 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,255 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    None of us tested no.

    Did ye contact a GP or just self isolate with over counter medicine?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,759 ✭✭✭maebee


    Who would have the remotest interest in international travel until there's a vaccine - not much social distancing possible in an airport, let alone on a plane?

    Hubby and I have been cruising for the past 20 odd years. When we started cruising we used to kind of laugh at the "washy washy" staff on board with the hand sanitizers. I honestly don't think I will ever go on a cruise ship again. They are petri dishes for viruses. Holiday Ireland here I come from 2021 onwards.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,183 ✭✭✭domrush


    I’ve noticed there’s a lot of agitation towards any persons pushing for restrictions to be relaxed. I think it’s worth separating this group into people who are already flaunting restrictions and those who are obeying but are in favour of relaxing restrictions.

    I’m in a situation where the restrictions make no difference to me financially. However there are a huge amount of people this does not apply to. People whose income relies upon being able to travel. Yes the government is subsidising but 350 is not enough for a lot of people, particularly if supporting a family.

    You can say it’s easy to support an average family on 350 a week, but not everyone is an average family. I do not mean higher discretionary spending, I am talking about families with higher than average necessary costs.

    I am in favour of keeping restrictions in place, but the vitriol being thrown towards anyone in favour of relaxing restrictions is over the top. Walk a mile in anyone’s shoes before judging them. And just because someone is not in favour of restrictions, does not mean they are disobeying them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,347 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    domrush wrote: »
    I’ve noticed there’s a lot of agitation towards any persons pushing for restrictions to be relaxed. I think it’s worth separating this group into people who are already flaunting restrictions and those who are obeying but are in favour of relaxing restrictions.

    I’m in a situation where the restrictions make no difference to me financially. However there are a huge amount of people this does not apply to. People whose income relies upon being able to travel. Yes the government is subsidising but 350 is not enough for a lot of people, particularly if supporting a family.

    You can say it’s easy to support an average family on 350 a week, but not everyone is an average family. I do not mean higher discretionary spending, I am talking about families with higher than average necessary costs.

    I am in favour of keeping restrictions in place, but the vitriol being thrown towards anyone in favour of relaxing restrictions is over the top. Walk a mile in anyone’s shoes before judging them. And just because someone is not in favour of restrictions, does not mean they are disobeying them.

    I couldn't live on 350 a week on my own. How could a family live on that???


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,347 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    No just no

    If I test you today and you don't have, do I have to test you again in a week to see if you have it now?

    How many tests do you want

    Millions


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 155 ✭✭Zetor19


    Average monthly death numbers in 2018 was 2600.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 454 ✭✭snoopboggybog


    MadYaker wrote: »
    I couldn't live on 350 a week on my own. How could a family live on that???

    Easily if your not an idiot with money. I wonder how many people now are stressing about their 2017,2018,2019,2020 car in the driveway and no savings.

    You should always have 6 months of savings in cases disaster hits that would cover mortgage, food, necessary bills like eletric Etc.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,288 ✭✭✭✭dodzy


    Easily if your not an idiot with money.
    Idiot with money ???? Rent. Dublin city. There's your €350 gone already....and then some...

    I wonder how many people now are stressing about their 2017,2018,2019,2020 car in the driveway and no savings.

    You should always have 6 months of savings in cases disaster hits that would cover mortgage, food, necessary bills like eletric Etc.
    It's that easy is it ?


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    No just no

    If I test you today and you don't have, do I have to test you again in a week to see if you have it now?

    How many tests do you want

    Antibody testing would be useful along with the current testing


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    MadYaker wrote: »
    If the real cfr is around 0.7% as studies like the ones in Italy and New York are suggesting then we've had around 150,000 cases here so far if you base it off number of deaths. According to the gov confirmed cases are at 18,184 which just highlights how pathetic our testing is. If we ever want get out of this mess we need to do ten times more testing. We need to work towards testing everyone in the country to get a full picture of whats actually happening.

    I wonder if the deaths can be directly extrapolated like that to make a case estimate though? Like say some tiny country had just one case and that person went to a nursing home and infected some residents who died and then he somehow didn't infect anyone else in that country. Those deaths would imply the country has a lot more cases than it does then due to the sample of people who caught being skewed towards those muchmore likely to die from it
    Idk if I'm making myself clear, but seems relevant given how many nursing home deaths there have been


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,017 ✭✭✭SharpshooterTom


    The USA looks like it might be at the peak now and possibly showing some decline, next week will be telling. But the worst of it, at least for this cycle, might be over the US.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 454 ✭✭snoopboggybog


    dodzy wrote: »
    Idiot with money ???? Rent. Dublin city. There's your €350 gone already....and then some...


    It's that easy is it ?

    I worded myself wrong, i meant people living pay check to pay check when they don't need to be whatsoever. Yea the 350 won't be enough for families barely scraping by, maybe not 6 months but definitely a month or two anyway or your doing something wrong.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,155 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    The USA looks like it might be at the peak now and possibly showing some decline, next week will be telling. But the worst of it, at least for this cycle, might be over the US.

    That peak is the result of the measures in the past few weeks, now Trump has said do whatever you like their death toll will be in the millions in a month or two's time (not even counting the people injecting themselves with dettol)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    The USA looks like it might be at the peak now and possibly showing some decline, next week will be telling. But the worst of it, at least for this cycle, might be over the US.

    Definitely in New York anyway but several states are at different points in time in their progression

    New Jersey Connecticut and Massachusetts are reporting extremely high numbers still


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,730 ✭✭✭DebDynamite


    Downlinz wrote: »
    Indications are 2 more weeks based on comments from all of Leo, Simon and Tony.

    Don’t see what the point of that would be. If the reason is that people aren’t sticking to it at the moment, the same people definitely won’t stick to it for another 2 weeks. Those who have been obeying the lockdown, will just get pissed off and say what’s the point in them sticking to it, when the people who were the reason for extending it are off having a great time doing whatever they want to do.

    If they can’t properly enforce it now, I don’t know what chance they have after the 5th, when people will be even more restless and more people are against the idea


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,423 ✭✭✭✭Outlaw Pete


    Jesus, sounds like he's been having a bit too much of the aul UV light himself. Imagine having to tolerate this ignoramus.

    It's cringe worthy every time he speaks.

    Seems Trump's question wasn't so dumb after all :P
    Cedars-Sinai-Developed ‘Healight' Medical Device Platform Technology Being Studied as a Potential First-in-Class COVID-19 Treatment

    Led by Mark Pimentel, MD, the research team of the Medically Associated Science and Technology (MAST) Program at Cedars-Sinai has been developing the patent-pending Healight platform since 2016 and has produced a growing body of scientific evidence demonstrating pre-clinical safety and effectiveness of the technology as an antiviral and antibacterial treatment. The Healight technology employs proprietary methods of administering intermittent ultraviolet (UV) A light via a novel endotracheal medical device. Pre-clinical findings indicate the technology's significant impact on eradicating a wide range of viruses and bacteria, inclusive of coronavirus. The data have been the basis of discussions with the FDA for a near-term path to enable human use for the potential treatment of coronavirus in intubated patients in the intensive care unit (ICU). Beyond the initial pursuit of a coronavirus ICU indication, additional data suggest broader clinical applications for the technology across a range of viral and bacterial pathogens. This includes bacteria implicated in ventilator associated pneumonia (VAP).



    "Our team has shown that administering a specific spectrum of UV-A light can eradicate viruses in infected human cells (including coronavirus) and bacteria in the area while preserving healthy cells," stated Dr. Pimentel of Cedars-Sinai. Ali Rezaie, MD, one of the inventors of this technology states, "Our lab at Cedars-Sinai has extensively studied the effects of this unique technology on bacteria and viruses. Based on our findings we believe this therapeutic approach has the potential to significantly impact the high morbidity and mortality of coronavirus-infected patients and patients infected with other respiratory pathogens. We are looking forward to partnering with Aytu BioScience to move this technology forward for the benefit of patients all over the world."


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    Was there any decision made today re. arrivals into Dublin airport? Yesterday Leo said they were considering enforcing 14 day self isolation by doing checks at the address you’d give when you arrive. And presumably steep fines if you don’t answer the door when AGS call round.

    But I don’t see anything in the news updates this evening?

    I’m not overly animated about flights in (very small numbers of Irish citizens, stable door, bolting horse etc) but I know someone coming back early next week and was just wondering


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 454 ✭✭snoopboggybog


    fritzelly wrote: »
    That peak is the result of the measures in the past few weeks, now Trump has said do whatever you like their death toll will be in the millions in a month or two's time (not even counting the people injecting themselves with dettol)

    I live in the US and the way people are behaving it will hit double or treble or maybe 10 times the number.

    If the president can't even practice social distancing with his daily briefing that just tells you everything you need to know.

    Right now outside in the green area in the apartment block where i live there are kids from different families playing together and parents chatting.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,017 ✭✭✭SharpshooterTom


    fritzelly wrote: »
    That peak is the result of the measures in the past few weeks, now Trump has said do whatever you like their death toll will be in the millions in a month or two's time (not even counting the people injecting themselves with dettol)

    Oh come on that's total hyperbole. Like people who predicted Trump to get us into a nuclear war.

    I agree though from here on in it will depend how states like Michigan and Lousiana flatten the curve and if we get any real spikes in Florida, Texas or California. So far those states have avoided them for now.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,705 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring2


    fritzelly wrote: »
    That peak is the result of the measures in the past few weeks, now Trump has said do whatever you like their death toll will be in the millions in a month or two's time (not even counting the people injecting themselves with dettol)

    The US has a staggering amount of cases. To think they can open up and be ok is silly.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,404 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    Seems Trump's question wasn't so dumb after all :P

    Wait a minute, its true, and we've known about it since 1982, the deep state have been hiding it from us!!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,730 ✭✭✭DebDynamite


    I worded myself wrong, i meant people living pay check to pay check when they don't need to be whatsoever. Yea the 350 won't be enough for families barely scraping by, maybe not 6 months but definitely a month or two anyway or your doing something wrong.

    Especially when no one can go out and spend money anyway


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    So how is this for a twist?
    Smokers are 4x times less likely to become infected by Covid than non smokers. Nicotine patch trials underway
    on patients currently
    https://www.reddit.com/r/China_Flu/comments/g7gjxt/smokers_four_times_less_likely_to_contract/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app


  • Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    Seems Trump's question wasn't so dumb after all :P

    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/aytu-bioscience-signs-exclusive-global-120000824.html

    You will never get people to agree that Trump says anything of any value!
    Trump speaks too quick and doesn't caution himself with his flippant language. But there is generally something behind what he is saying, even if he gets it all wrong and sounds stupid.

    With the UV, there has been a lot of talk about it, and there is talk about something called UVC that may be beneficial some time in the future....

    See below from a BBC science article:

    There is also a third type: UVC. This relatively obscure part of the spectrum consists of a shorter, more energetic wavelength of light. It is particularly good at destroying genetic material – whether in humans or viral particles. Luckily, most of us are unlikely to have ever encountered any. That’s because it’s filtered out by ozone in the atmosphere long before it reaches our fragile skin.

    Or that was the case, at least, until scientists discovered that they could harness UVC to kill microorganisms. Since the finding in 1878, artificially produced UVC has become a staple method of sterilisation – one used in hospitals, airplanes, offices, and factories every day. Crucially, it’s also fundamental to the process of sanitising drinking water; some parasites are resistant to chemical disinfectants such as chlorine, so it provides a failsafe.

    Though there hasn’t been any research looking at how UVC affects Covid-19 specifically, studies have shown that it can be used against other coronaviruses, such as Sars. The radiation warps the structure of their genetic material and prevents the viral particles from making more copies of themselves.

    As a result, a concentrated form of UVC is now on the front line in the fight against Covid-19. In China, whole buses are being lit up by the ghostly blue light each night, while squat, UVC-emitting robots have been cleaning floors in hospitals. Banks have even been using the light to disinfect their money.

    Recently, scientists have discovered a promising new type of UVC which is less dangerous to handle, and still lethal to viruses and bacteria. Far-UVC has a shorter wavelength than regular UVC, and so far, experiments with human skin cells in the lab have shown that it doesn’t damage their DNA (more research is needed to be sure).

    On the other hand, bacteria and viruses don’t come off as well, because they are small enough for the light to reach. One study found that it could prevent mouse wounds from becoming infected with the superbug MRSA, while another found that it could kill flu viruses suspended in the air.

    However, the vast majority of the UVC lamps on the market don’t use far-UVC yet – and again, it hasn’t been tested in actual humans, just on our cells in petri dishes and other animals. So this type of radiation probably won’t help you during the current pandemic either.


    Not trying to defend Trump, but he spews out stuff sometimes that may have their origin in some facts, albeit he chews them up.

    Full article here if anyone interested.

    https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20200327-can-you-kill-coronavirus-with-uv-light


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,748 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    The USA looks like it might be at the peak now and possibly showing some decline, next week will be telling. But the worst of it, at least for this cycle, might be over the US.


    So many big tities that it never got a chance to spread in as they shut down fast with next to no cases. IN theory there could be 20 New Yorks out there waiting to happen once those places reopen, LA so on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,017 ✭✭✭SharpshooterTom


    So many big tities that it never got a chance to spread in as they shut down fast with next to no cases. IN theory there could be 20 New Yorks out there waiting to happen once those places reopen, LA so on

    It could be but lots of countries with big cities (like the UK) also have that dilemma once they reopen. Its not a US only problem.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    The only time I've been really scared by this virus is the news of the young patients with mild symptoms or asymptomatic experiencing strokes. Has there been any increase in the number of strokes in young Irish people lately ?

    What's scary is that these wouldn't even be noticed as anything related to Covid , was probably just found out by chance that all those young stroke victims at that American hospital had covid


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