Is it just me or have SF vanished?

all about the mane · 24-04-2020 01:03PM

McMurphy wrote: »

Let's recap so, FF wrecked the economy back in the late 00s, were decimated at the polls, FG came along (but needed labour as they didn't have the numbers themselves) got 5 years governance , lost the next election campaign, could only govern with FFs permission, and now find themselves as the having the 3rd highest number of seats, after FF and Sinn Féin, and now FF are ok to handle the economy again but only if FG become their lackeys?

Oh my how the mighty have fallen.

And yet your shower still can’t get within an ass’s roar of government. I suppose ye would have to want to... hilarious

McMurphy · 24-04-2020 01:13PM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

I think people taking out 100% mortgages on houses they could never afford. Or building mansions in the middle of nowhere was part of the problem as well......

As I said before, it didnt matter which party was in power at the disaster, none of them knew what was coming. If so we would of had loads of discussions in the Dail.

No point talking about the disaster after it happened

Even today you have people complaining that they cant get a 100% mortgage anymore,.....government cant stop stupidity!!!

I agree with you, Ireland's plight wouldn't have been any different had FG had been in power at the time.

Edgware · 24-04-2020 01:42PM

Mortelaro wrote: »

If you arent an organic farmer then as a SF supporter you are also contributing to nitrates
You are contributing anyway but it's not fair to attack non Sinn fein farmers

Aswell as that,its shaky ground given where the by product of diesel laundering ends up

S.F.s pals were always interested in using fertiliser

blanch152 · 24-04-2020 01:43PM

McMurphy wrote: »

Please elaborate on this.

Hearing something similar, I know the green party candidate in this area (failed to get elected) and I don't think they're too united as a party at present, watch this space greens in a FFG coalition govt ain't going to happen.

A new election later in the year or national government is what's going to happen.

Whether the electorate will thank FFG for dragging this charade out during a "once in a lifetime" pandemic remains to be seen.

I have said all along that it would be a challenge to get the required two-thirds majority of members.

However, it is much better to be a party going into an election having made a genuine attempt to form a government rather than one that made a song and dance about it and couldn't get an agreement with anyone.

blanch152 · 24-04-2020 01:45PM

McMurphy wrote: »

Let's recap so, FF wrecked the economy back in the late 00s, were decimated at the polls, FG came along (but needed labour as they didn't have the numbers themselves) got 5 years governance , lost the next election campaign, could only govern with FFs permission, and now find themselves as the having the 3rd highest number of seats, after FF and Sinn Féin, and now FF are ok to handle the economy again but only if FG become their lackeys?

Oh my how the mighty have fallen.

And remind me again who is in government? Or who is close to forming a government?

Mortelaro · 24-04-2020 01:49PM

McMurphy wrote: »

Let's recap so, FF wrecked the economy back in the late 00s, were decimated at the polls, FG came along (but needed labour as they didn't have the numbers themselves) got 5 years governance , lost the next election campaign, could only govern with FFs permission, and now find themselves as the having the 3rd highest number of seats, after FF and Sinn Féin, and now FF are ok to handle the economy again but only if FG become their lackeys?

Oh my how the mighty have fallen.

In those ebbs and flows,you forgot Sinn Féins 'excellent ' council elections less than a year ago...

McMurphy · 24-04-2020 02:08PM

blanch152 wrote: »

I have said all along that it would be a challenge to get the required two-thirds majority of members.

However, it is much better to be a party going into an election having made a genuine attempt to form a government rather than one that made a song and dance about it and couldn't get an agreement with anyone.

You also said the best place for fg was opposition.

McMurphy · 24-04-2020 02:13PM

Mortelaro wrote: »

In those ebbs and flows,you forgot Sinn Féins 'excellent ' council elections less than a year ago...

Well, not really.

I still have the "council elections are irrelevant" chants ringing in my ear from FG folk when they lost so many seats from the one before that.

Therefore, didn't think it worth mentioning.

blanch152 · 24-04-2020 02:14PM

McMurphy wrote: »

You also said the best place for fg was opposition.

If I was a FG supporter, I would be screaming for them to go into opposition. Let the others sort this out would be my view. I also think that would benefit them in the longer run and they would be by far the biggest party after the next election, whenever that was.

But I am not, I am a Green voter, and want them in government with parties that actually know how to govern, Fine Gael and Labour would be my choices to go into government with the Greens, that isn't possible so holding the nose with FF is the next best option.

McMurphy · 24-04-2020 02:17PM

blanch152 wrote: »

And remind me again who is in government? Or who is close to forming a government?

FG are there in a caretaker capacity, and if you have some evidence that they're any closer to reeling in a patsy to get a new one established, throw the link up.

There'll be a new election or a national government of unity, either or won't sit comfortably with Leo, that's something I can tell you for free.

Edgware · 24-04-2020 02:58PM

blanch152 wrote: »

If I was a FG supporter, I would be screaming for them to go into opposition. Let the others sort this out would be my view. I also think that would benefit them in the longer run and they would be by far the biggest party after the next election, whenever that was.

But I am not, I am a Green voter, and want them in government with parties that actually know how to govern, Fine Gael and Labour would be my choices to go into government with the Greens, that isn't possible so holding the nose with FF is the next best option.

No one party will ever get their own way without an overall majority. So then its up to them to get the best out of negotiations. Waiting for the next election wont necessarily work out.

Edgware · 24-04-2020 02:59PM

McMurphy wrote: »

FG are there in a caretaker capacity, and if you have some evidence that they're any closer to reeling in a patsy to get a new one established, throw the link up.

There'll be a new election or a national government of unity, either or won't sit comfortably with Leo, that's something I can tell you for free.

You really believe that?

McMurphy · 24-04-2020 03:16PM

Edgware wrote: »

You really believe that?

The alternative doesn't look too be a runner, don't think even blanch thinks the greens will get a deal over the line.

Labour or the socdems don't appear to be having any interest in it either, so my predicament seems to be the only other possibility left for them.

Labour got shafted last time with FG. The greens got shafted by FF, The SocDems looking at labour and the greens probably feel they're too fresh to scupper the seat gains they had in the last election - fresh election might bring even more seats for them, they could further establish themselves and then consider being a prop.

So yes, definitely feel there's more chance of a fresh election or a national government than a FFG + smaller party and a handful of independents.

I suppose we'll find out soon enough.

Shefwedfan · 24-04-2020 03:59PM

McMurphy wrote: »

I agree with you, Ireland's plight wouldn't have been any different had FG had been in power at the time.

Another silly comment. All the parties, including SF had reprensetatives in the Dail and not a whisper out of any of them.....

The laughable part is people still blaming a political party for their own stupidity. Its always someone elses fault,

You would think they would learn, but I seen a comment from someone that it is great with this virus they will lower the deposit requirements to buy a house

Idiots never learn.....doesn't matter which politician is in power

bmc58 · 24-04-2020 04:42PM

aido79 wrote: »

That's true but they'll always have the DUP to blame in the north. It's always someone else's fault.

The DUP are quite adept at blaming others when it suits them.Balance is needed in this one sided discussion I think.

James Brown · 24-04-2020 05:04PM

aido79 wrote: »

That's true but they'll always have the DUP to blame in the north. It's always someone else's fault.

It's not really. This comes up time and again from the same chancers trying to protect FG. If SF are in charge, did anybody tell the DUP and Westminister?
The only genuine way to criticise SF up north is to see the results of any policies they backed, but hey why bother when you can talk ****e?
How SF in another jurisdiction, power sharing while overseen by westminister is comparable to FF/FG shenanigans in the Republic I don't know.

James Brown · 24-04-2020 05:09PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Greens havnt even concensus in their own party about carbon taxes??

Sticking a 5er on a bag of coal or cutting suckler numbers isnt going to save the planet :pac:

They are completly silent,particularly eamonn ryan about the widespread flaunting of nitrates and slurry spreading rule.....the rivers suir,nore and barrow (essentially glanbia hinterland) are up 80% in traces of nitorgen in last 5 years since abloshlion of milk quotas

Of 35 iirc water schemes tested in donegal late 2018....every single one tested above limits for MCPA

The list of damage we are doing to ireland that can be fixed is v.long....our carbon emissions if reduced to zero,would be wiped in a month by chinese increases

Whats point in saving planet if.they are just going to help ff/fg poision it and every river here??

Also FF/FG will spend any monies on Horse racing or another wing for the NCH.

Edgware · 24-04-2020 05:13PM

McMurphy wrote: »

The alternative doesn't look too be a runner, don't think even blanch thinks the greens will get a deal over the line.

Labour or the socdems don't appear to be having any interest in it either, so my predicament seems to be the only other possibility left for them.

Labour got shafted last time with FG. The greens got shafted by FF, The SocDems looking at labour and the greens probably feel they're too fresh to scupper the seat gains they had in the last election - fresh election might bring even more seats for them, they could further establish themselves and then consider being a prop.

So yes, definitely feel there's more chance of a fresh election or a national government than a FFG + smaller party and a handful of independents.

I suppose we'll find out soon enough.

I just can't see the "senior hurlers" letting power slip away by having an election that wouldnt solve anything anyway. There are still enough deputies there that wont welcome an election.
If Fianna Fail have to sacrifice Martin to open negotiations with Sinn Fein they will do so.
FF SF SDs and Lab. or like minded Independents could still do it.
All that ****e talk about Army Council control etc would be put away.
I dont believe S.F. would welcome an election above getting a chance of power

threeball · 24-04-2020 05:27PM

Edgware wrote: »

I just can't see the "senior hurlers" letting power slip away by having an election that wouldnt solve anything anyway. There are still enough deputies there that wont welcome an election.
If Fianna Fail have to sacrifice Martin to open negotiations with Sinn Fein they will do so.
FF SF SDs and Lab. or like minded Independents could still do it.
All that ****e talk about Army Council control etc would be put away.
I dont believe S.F. would welcome an election above getting a chance of power

I don't think theres enough FF'ers on side to contemplate going in to government with SF. It would be a better scenario for FG, that is for certain.

James Brown · 24-04-2020 05:35PM

I don't know. I'd say the 'all in this together' feelgood factor is slipping away, hurried by the photo ops, gaffes and choice of private bed vendors.
SF are headed for the opposition unless there's another election so I think that's their only chance. However the Greens will be signing up to FF/FG any minute now. They already said the list was more wish than red line. Any Green type person's best hope is FF/FG stealing their ideas, but that will only happen is the right people can make money off them.

Blueshoe · 24-04-2020 05:41PM

Bowie wrote: »

I don't know. I'd say the 'all in this together' feelgood factor is slipping away, hurried by the photo ops, gaffes and choice of private bed vendors.
SF are headed for the opposition unless there's another election so I think that's their only chance. However the Greens will be signing up to FF/FG any minute now. They already said the list was more wish than red line. Any Green type person's best hope is FF/FG stealing their ideas, but that will only happen is the right people can make money off them.

In an ideal scenario we have a green/FF/FG government. And between the economic effects of corona and the green plans we end up with a load of new taxes and general misery. That would brew up some serious hatred of the three parties leaving SF with an opportunity next time around. They would then go into government and give away mode therefore ruining the economy all over again

blanch152 · 24-04-2020 05:49PM

Bowie wrote: »

I don't know. I'd say the 'all in this together' feelgood factor is slipping away, hurried by the photo ops, gaffes and choice of private bed vendors.
SF are headed for the opposition unless there's another election so I think that's their only chance. However the Greens will be signing up to FF/FG any minute now. They already said the list was more wish than red line. Any Green type person's best hope is FF/FG stealing their ideas, but that will only happen is the right people can make money off them.

Sinn Fein were always headed for the opposition. They were taken aback by Varadkar's "away with ye" response to them announcing they were going to lead a government. They were left poking around for a few weeks going nowhere until the public could see that they were never serious about it.

No documents exchanged with other parties, no meaningful negotiations, no policy papers, a leader in hiding, and at the end of it all, they get to sit back down on the fence and hurl from the ditch, the only thing they know.

McMurphy · 24-04-2020 05:50PM

Edgware wrote: »

I just can't see the "senior hurlers" letting power slip away by having an election that wouldnt solve anything anyway. There are still enough deputies there that wont welcome an election.
If Fianna Fail have to sacrifice Martin to open negotiations with Sinn Fein they will do so.
FF SF SDs and Lab. or like minded Independents could still do it.
All that ****e talk about Army Council control etc would be put away.
I dont believe S.F. would welcome an election above getting a chance of power

Admittedly that's a scenario I overlooked, though I already have made comment on Michaél not going to have a happy ending out of any of this. Personally, I think he's doomed regardless.

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Another silly comment. All the parties, including SF had reprensetatives in the Dail and not a whisper out of any of them.....

What's a silly comment?

This'll be good.

blanch152 · 24-04-2020 06:23PM

McMurphy wrote: »

Admittedly that's a scenario I overlooked, though I already have made comment on Michaél not going to have a happy ending out of any of this. Personally, I think he's doomed regardless.

What's a silly comment?

This'll be good.

My bet on the election was SF/FF coalition. I am pleasantly surprised that it didn't come to pass. The consolation of a nice payout is there if things change but it would take the ousting of Martin to make it happen.

Edgware · 24-04-2020 06:54PM

threeball wrote: »

I don't think theres enough FF'ers on side to contemplate going in to government with SF. It would be a better scenario for FG, that is for certain.

There's a good few FFs not too pushed about FG too and a looming election could swing more.
As someone said "nothing concentrates the mind like the prospect of being hung at dawn"

McMurphy · 24-04-2020 07:22PM

blanch152 wrote: »

My bet on the election was SF/FF coalition. I am pleasantly surprised that it didn't come to pass. The consolation of a nice payout is there if things change but it would take the ousting of Martin to make it happen.

I've still an unsettled bet with Paddy power on a FF minority govt.

Shefwedfan · 24-04-2020 09:07PM

blanch152 wrote: »

My bet on the election was SF/FF coalition. I am pleasantly surprised that it didn't come to pass. The consolation of a nice payout is there if things change but it would take the ousting of Martin to make it happen.

I sat with a number of FF people as the results came in, they expected FF/SF to join

Mary Lou made sure that would never happen...

Fann Linn · 24-04-2020 09:09PM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

I sat with a number of FF people as the results came in, they expected FF/SF to join

Mary Lou made sure that would never happen...

MM said it would never happen. Nothing to do with MLM.

24-04-2020 09:13PM

Fann Linn wrote: »

MM said it would never happen. Nothing to do with MLM.

Micheal martin pedeled conspiracy theories about SF....then disappeared for 3 weeks when people asked for proof :pac:

James Brown · 24-04-2020 09:20PM

Blueshoe wrote: »

In an ideal scenario we have a green/FF/FG government. And between the economic effects of corona and the green plans we end up with a load of new taxes and general misery. That would brew up some serious hatred of the three parties leaving SF with an opportunity next time around. They would then go into government and give away mode therefore ruining the economy all over again

It will be the death of a thousand cuts for the working tax payer no doubt. However getting rid of FF/FG will be a very long drawn out process.
Hopefully the SD's, PBP etc. make moves not just SF. The Greens and Labour are damaged goods IMO.

Is it just me or have SF vanished?

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