Covid19 Part XVI- 21,983 in ROI (1,339 deaths) 3,881 in NI (404 deaths)(05/05)Read OP

seamus · 24-04-2020 12:48PM

eagle eye wrote: »

Make it law that you have to wear a facemask while working or shopping.

This is doing something to be seen to be doing something.

You need the right type of mask. You need millions of them.

Otherwise what happens is that people go out with their face covered and ignore all social distancing rules because, "Sure amn't I wearing a mask?"

This is why most countries have been very slow to even suggest that everyone wear a mask. Because wearing one gives a false sense of security.

Paddygreen · 24-04-2020 12:50PM

boring accountant wrote: »

Where exactly does one acquire a mask? If you’re that scared of getting sick then stay at home.

Masks can be fashioned from nappies or sanitary towels as a temporary measure until you can get to your nearest chemist which should be re-stocked.

petes · 24-04-2020 12:51PM

Paddygreen wrote: »

I have been demanding this for weeks. When a maskless potential vektor is nearby I can literally hear every breath they take, every move they make even. The other day in Lidl (my nearest supermarket) there was a maskless sweaty man in shorts and t-shirt. Everyone was avoiding him like the plague.

Who exactly are you demanding this from?

Away With The Fairies · 24-04-2020 12:53PM

boring accountant wrote: »

Where exactly does one acquire a mask? If you’re that scared of getting sick then stay at home.

How about people that are sick stay at home? In the other thread about masks, a guy who was covid-19 positive went into a chemist. Probably went of to get some groceries in the shop as well.

These are the idiots that are amongst us and you have to treat everyone as if they are infected with the virus.

Paddygreen · 24-04-2020 12:57PM

petes wrote: »

Who exactly are you demanding this from?

Our leaders. I am one of the most vocal mask activists on Twitter. I am big time pro-mask, make it the law. I have tweeted nearly every minister about this issue. I have also left two voicemails for Simon Harris.

bekker · 24-04-2020 12:57PM

Here's a mask anyone should be able to make, no idea how well it could protect you but at least cuts the possibility of spreading it if you're asymptomatic.

US Surgeon General demonstrates.

eagle eye · 24-04-2020 12:59PM

Inquitus wrote:

The Gov should send every household some face masks then, they are not the easiest thing to lay your hands on at the moment.

Try your local pharmacy.

podgeandrodge · 24-04-2020 01:01PM

Paddygreen wrote: »

I have been demanding this for weeks. When a maskless potential vektor is nearby I can literally hear every breath they take, every move they make even. The other day in Lidl (my nearest supermarket) there was a maskless sweaty man in shorts and t-shirt. Everyone was avoiding him like the plague.

I don't know why others are thanking your posts, but I am doing so for the entertainment value :pac:

ZX7R · 24-04-2020 01:02PM

eagle eye wrote: »

Make it law that you have to wear a facemask while working or shopping. State quarantine for two weeks for anybody entering the country. Social distancing and keep the lockdown in place for another four weeks and we should be in good shape. It's really not that difficult.

Just want to point out something about mandatory mask wearing,
In all European countries that have issued this,in certain cases on medical grounds and in case of special needs these person's can be exempt from wearing where a medical note can be produced to confirm.

Rob A. Bank · 24-04-2020 01:02PM

seamus wrote: »

This is doing something to be seen to be doing something.

You need the right type of mask. You need millions of them.

Otherwise what happens is that people go out with their face covered and ignore all social distancing rules because, "Sure amn't I wearing a mask?"

This is why most countries have been very slow to even suggest that everyone wear a mask. Because wearing one gives a false sense of security.

So you think you can see what people wearing masks are thinking ? Psychic ? Or what ?

(1) It is well known that masks should be worn by people who are already infected, and this fact is even accepted by the anti mask 'experts' who give the HSE and DOH press conferences.

(2) However it is now well documented that people shed virus when they are pre-symptomatic and that silent spreaders are a danger to all.

Therefore it is unbelievable that the thinking has not evolved enough to connect the two above and start recommending masks for all outside the home.

eagle eye · 24-04-2020 01:02PM

seamus wrote:

This is doing something to be seen to be doing something.

What do you think a mask is for? It's so you don't infect anybody else.
Educate the public about it.

hmmm · 24-04-2020 01:05PM

People on Etsy are doing masks, they are going to be the hit fashion accessory of Summer.

If you get one, don't be the asshole who thinks they are now invulnerable.

Cork Boy 53 · 24-04-2020 01:13PM

seamus wrote: »

This is doing something to be seen to be doing something.

You need the right type of mask. You need millions of them.

Otherwise what happens is that people go out with their face covered and ignore all social distancing rules because, "Sure amn't I wearing a mask?"

This is why most countries have been very slow to even suggest that everyone wear a mask. Because wearing one gives a false sense of security.

Maybe so but if people know how to use masks properly combined with observing all the social distancing regulations then they are effective. Also the wearing of them is now compulsory in many countries which never previously required this.

Drumpot · 24-04-2020 01:16PM

seamus wrote: »

This is doing something to be seen to be doing something.

You need the right type of mask. You need millions of them.

Otherwise what happens is that people go out with their face covered and ignore all social distancing rules because, "Sure amn't I wearing a mask?"

This is why most countries have been very slow to even suggest that everyone wear a mask. Because wearing one gives a false sense of security.

I agree and it’s true but I would be interested to know what impact it might be for a nation to open up with all the population wearing a mask (including scarfs and home made masks).

Let’s just imagine, for example, we have to reopen our economy on a much broader scale over the coming weeks and there will not be enough masks for everyone. Are people better off not wearing anything but being told to adhere to strict social distancing etc. Or are we better off telling everybody to adhere to strict social distancing but also to wear masks (even home made ones) where possible aswell.

is_that_so · 24-04-2020 01:20PM

Italy on the way out of lockdown?

Newspapers in Italy are reporting that the country’s coronavirus lockdown, the longest and toughest in Europe, is to be eased over the next four weeks. However, there has been no official confirmation, AFP reports.

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! · 24-04-2020 01:22PM

seamus wrote: »

This is doing something to be seen to be doing something.

You need the right type of mask. You need millions of them.

Otherwise what happens is that people go out with their face covered and ignore all social distancing rules because, "Sure amn't I wearing a mask?"

This is why most countries have been very slow to even suggest that everyone wear a mask. Because wearing one gives a false sense of security.

Weak excuses!

You don't need the perfect mask, look at Asia they wear all different types. Anything is better than nothing! Even a homemade one or a tightly woven bandana.

Any additional layer of protection that could help cut down transmission even a small bit, should be welcomed and embraced. Just because some people might use a mask as an excuse for being lazy with other measures... doesn't mean you should not advise everyone else to wear one. Sorry, but it's poor rationale.

The reason our government have been slow to suggest widespread use of masks, is because they are blindly following WHO guidelines. They are avoiding their responsibility to show leadership and take a position on it themselves... they are dithering and indecisive, which will quite likely cost us lives!

What Username Guidelines · 24-04-2020 01:23PM

Hector Savage wrote: »

I am hoping it's the wider testing that's causing the daily cases to rise, because if it's due to the workers returning last week, then we are in for more carnage in hospitals in the next few weeks.

In their update source on worldometers, it looks like it says PCR+ is 2796 and the official PDF has a breakdown between PCR and Antibodies. So maybe it's 2796 new cases today plus results of previous cases? Hard to tell.

is_that_so wrote: »

Italy on the way out of lockdown?

PM said plan was to be published before the weekend.

is_that_so · 24-04-2020 01:24PM

terenc wrote: »

What a load of manure, people like you want to wake up and smell the roses or maybe the corpses

OK this is not a Monty Python sketch. This thing is unlikely to vanish, it will be with us for some time but it's just not feasible to keep an economy under wraps for very long periods of time. They will be rolling back on it quite soon as is clear in other countries.

is_that_so · 24-04-2020 01:26PM

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

PM said plan was to be published before the weekend.

I'd expect to see ours towards the end of next week.

Cork Boy 53 · 24-04-2020 01:28PM

Paddygreen wrote: »

Masks can be fashioned from nappies or sanitary towels as a temporary measure until you can get to your nearest chemist which should be re-stocked.

Is that what you wear when you`re at your local Lidl or Aldi store, Paddy?;)

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! · 24-04-2020 01:33PM

Paddygreen wrote: »

Masks can be fashioned from nappies or sanitary towels as a temporary measure until you can get to your nearest chemist which should be re-stocked.

Nah, they stop you from breeding....

Cork Boy 53 · 24-04-2020 01:34PM

Paddygreen wrote: »

Our leaders. I am one of the most vocal mask activists on Twitter. I am big time pro-mask, make it the law. I have tweeted nearly every minister about this issue. I have also left two voicemails for Simon Harris.

You`re some man for one man Paddy.;)

iamwhoiam · 24-04-2020 01:37PM

hmmm wrote: »

People on Etsy are doing masks, they are going to be the hit fashion accessory of Summer.

If you get one, don't be the asshole who thinks they are now invulnerable.

I find the opposite .I put my mask on ( home made re usable ) and with the alien thing on my face I am hyper aware that this is a crises and we need to be so careful .It makes me more aware of the distancing and washing etc

Akabusi · 24-04-2020 01:37PM

Drumpot wrote: »

That’s actually a great way to live. People don’t really think about the “what would I regret if I was on my deathbed Thinking about life decisions”.. if you read top 10 things people dieing regret, it’s never that they didn’t work harder for a promotion or spend more time in work.

I think that’s why I abhor the rat race society we have built. And people don’t seem to realise that it doesn’t have to be like this, this is just the way we have been programmed to live in the world. It’s another form of feudalism but most of us in western democracies are thrown enough comforts and enough distractions (Mortgages/loans, Financial crisis down to mismanagement/greed) to not bother challanging it.

Sorry, back to discussions on the inconvenient virus that is upsetting economies to the point where we will have to probably let people die so economies can get back up and running....

Reminds me of the Fisherman story:

A smartly-dressed tourist is taking photographs when he notices a shabbily dressed local fisherman taking a nap in his fishing boat. The tourist is disappointed with the fisherman’s apparently lazy attitude towards his work, so he approaches the fisherman and asks him why he is lying around instead of catching fish. The fisherman explains that he went fishing in the morning, and the small catch would be sufficient for the next two days.

The tourist tells him that if he goes out to catch fish multiple times a day, he would be able to buy a motor in less than a year, a second boat in less than two years, and so on.

The nonchalant fisherman asks, “Then what?”

The tourist enthusiastically continues, “Then, without a care in the world, you could sit here in the harbour, doze in the sun, and look at the glorious sea.”

“But I’m already doing that”, says the fisherman.

The enlightened tourist walks away pensively, with no trace of pity for the fisherman, only a little envy.

tobefrank321 · 24-04-2020 01:38PM

BanditLuke wrote: »

Japans state of emergency failing to stop spread of virus. Tokyo now in real trouble.

BBC News - Coronavirus: Tokyo hospitals trying to stay ahead
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-52400084

Once it gets into a country to any significant degree, its virtually impossible to stop its spread, lockdown or no lockdown.

Only China have managed to stop a large outbreak in its tracks and reverse it, albeit with Chinese methods.

Realistically once it takes hold, the best you can aim for is protect nursing homes and the vulnerable as best you can.

We tried our best here to contain covid19 but its still highly prevalent and getting into nursing homes, with a lockdown in place. As some experts have said, we were more interested with locking down and protecting the healthy than the weak and vulnerable and this latter category were an afterthought.

BanditLuke · 24-04-2020 01:38PM

eagle eye wrote: »

Make it law that you have to wear a facemask while working or shopping. State quarantine for two weeks for anybody entering the country. Social distancing and keep the lockdown in place for another four weeks and we should be in good shape. It's really not that difficult.

I agree but surely masks should be compulsory when outdoors at all times.

We need to get real and start taking this seriously.

podgeandrodge · 24-04-2020 01:39PM

Problem with masks is that those who choose to wear them (so long as they are not compulsory) will quickly develop a superior attitude against those who don't.

The shopper without the mask will slowly become used to glancing stares of disapproval and finger wagging.

The mask wearers will pull down their masks to chastise others, while fumbling to put them back on and managing to touch their mouths and nose in an effective transfer of the virus onto themselves while the non mask wearer calls them cúnts and leaves the shop healthy.

Martina1991 · 24-04-2020 01:42PM

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote:

Nah, they stop you from breeding....

What do you think a sanitary towels is

BanditLuke · 24-04-2020 01:43PM

ZX7R wrote: »

The city is far from complete lockdown
A student travelled from New York and infected 70 people 4000 people have been put into quarantine due to contact tracing from all on the plane to where they ended up.
Airports train stations are doing temperature testing.
Check points around the city are also doing temperature checks or people entering or leaving the city. Anybody entering the city or leaving the city must be registered on the states corna virus app.
All arrivals from abroad must quarantine for 28 days.
Weddings
Funerals
And public performance are curtailed
For the next 28 days also

Meanwhile people are free to arrive here in Dublin and go where ever they want, no quarantine.

Still haven't seen a single temperture check anywhere. Temperature check should be compulsory at entrances to shops for example.

No sign of any government virus app because Paul Murphy and his merry band of asshats will be up in arms about civil liberties.

Rob A. Bank · 24-04-2020 01:43PM

Is there anyone out there with a better idea on how to prevent symptomless Covid patients spreading Covid in public ?

It's simple really...

“My mask protects you; your mask protects me.”

Covid19 Part XVI- 21,983 in ROI (1,339 deaths) 3,881 in NI (404 deaths)(05/05)Read OP

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