Relaxation of restrictions Part II

thebaz · 23-04-2020 10:09PM

Ther are people here who seam to nearly enjoy having the lockdown extended , even denying that the lockdown has been pretty well adhered to by nearly 99.5% of the Irish poplulation - That is a gerat achievement - But, we must move on , i believe many people are coming to breaking point - We need some relaxations and acknowledgment of the effort made by the Irish nation - The 100,000 deaths has not occured , the curve has been flattened - but the big risk is to people with other medical conditions that are currently now on hold, the growing mental health crisis , caused by fear of the impending economioc recession to end all recessions - Life must return a little to normality, keep social distancing , but time to start living again, not more doom and gloom from Leo and Simon.

Dickie10 · 23-04-2020 10:11PM

most commentators with sense are now agreeing that we awill be living alongside the virus for a while. time to start lifting restrictions , i think the idea of lesss than 5k at an event before 1st of september tells us all whats in the pipleine for easing restrictions. it will be every 2 weeks more shops opened. hardware and more impratnat placeswill open may6th. barbers/hairdressers may 20th or thereabouts. restaurunts will open mid june i would think. at restricted numbers. if all still goes well pubs two weeks later also restricted . you will have nightclubs open by mid august. over 70s told to cocoon til july and then at thier own risk i would think. can someone tell me whats the diffference in running social distancing in a restaurnt and a pub? surely just tables only in pubs or stools 2 metres apart at bar counter prob no bar sitting. work very easily keep numbers limited to 6 per table as with food.

Kermit.de.frog · 23-04-2020 10:13PM

thebaz wrote: »

the curve has been flattened

Why has the curve been flattened?

C__MC · 23-04-2020 10:15PM

Any sign of drew Harris in his shiny yellow coat calling the shots on travel?

It some PR stunt early days, superintendents supervising checkpoints and everything

You then some clowns at the four courts the other day, not a copper to be seen

Roads now much busier, children congregating in housing estates, people congregating in towns

FintanMcluskey · 23-04-2020 10:15PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

It's a figure of speech, not literal about the tv.

Society faces a moral dilemma, there is no doubt about it.

And there is no easy answers (and anyone who says they have the answer one way or another is a liar).

A balance needs to be found between protecting older and vulnerable people and the rest of society.

As of today with 900+ new cases we are not at that space, so we need to redouble the effort over the next couple of weeks or pay the price. I'd rather the former.

Here is a few of the facts the give some answers as you say there are no answers
1. This virus is effecting the elderly and end of life patients
2.The restrictions may not be effective
3.The restrictions will send us into an economic depression like the 1930s. Now the issue with this fact that posters in favour of the restrictions are missing is that a 1930s depression provides a 1930s heathcare service

normanoffside · 23-04-2020 10:23PM

For people saying we should stay indoors, actually a new study shows that getting outdoors reduces the risks from the virus

https://www.thejournal.ie/vitamin-d-covid-19-trinity-college-research-5082423-Apr2020/

Jurgen Klopp · 23-04-2020 10:26PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

And why is that?

It's not suppressed by the way when you have 936 cases in one day. The highest so far.

Ah come on now, you either are taking this seriously and actually looking up facts or else your wilfully ignoring them. They announced they have started a thorough testing of care homes, the places where nearly half of deaths are, the number of cases is going to balloon from this not reduce

GazzaL · 23-04-2020 10:27PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

And why is that?

It's not suppressed by the way when you have 936 cases in one day. The highest so far.

You do yourself a disservice by manipulating figures like that. We didn't test a diagnose 936 cases in one day, they're over a period of time. Professor Nolan said the trend in Ireland was very stable and that there had been no growth for weeks.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0423/1134432-figures-covid-thursday-23-april/

FintanMcluskey · 23-04-2020 10:27PM

normanoffside wrote: »

For people saying we should stay indoors, actually a new study shows that getting outdoors reduces the risks from the virus

https://www.thejournal.ie/vitamin-d-covid-19-trinity-college-research-5082423-Apr2020/

Its basic immunity. The healthy have been quarantined. Utter madness. Immunity comes from outdoors, obesity comes from indoors

Dickie10 · 23-04-2020 10:27PM

its over lads, sorry to break it to some but the game is up within 6 weeks we wont even be talking about it.

thebaz · 23-04-2020 10:28PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Why has the curve been flattened?

I think you know - but just in case you dont - The country has been in lockdown for over 5 week - the country has done its part in help flattening the curve , the 100,000 deaths has not happened, its now time to look at other areas in society that are suffering - the spiralling mental health problem and the huge amount of people who have other medical issues other than Covid 19.

Dickie10 · 23-04-2020 10:30PM

yep more people will die from now on from other cases not being diagnosed because of corona than will die of corona, once that happens its time to move on.

GazzaL · 23-04-2020 10:31PM

thebaz wrote: »

I think you know - but just in case you dont - The country has been in lockdown for over 5 week - the country has done its part in help flattening the curve , the 100,000 deaths has not happened, its now time to look at other areas in society that are suffering - the spiralling mental health problem and the huge amount of people who have other medical issues other than Covid 19.

It's actually frightening how many people must not be dealing with other medical issues. I've been in one of the biggest hospitals in the country a few times over the last few weeks and it has been deserted. I would encourage anyone who thinks they may have a problem to address it.

Mic 1972 · 23-04-2020 10:32PM

Dickie10 wrote: »

its over lads, sorry to break it to some but the game is up within 6 weeks we wont even be talking about it.

LOL sure

Balf · 23-04-2020 10:33PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

You come across as selfish and lacking in empathy for the people who need our help the most.

What the hell is wrong with people? You can't take a few weeks of inconvenience to save lives?

I don't get that attitude.

Don't get it? Maybe you are just selfish and lacking in empathy.

normanoffside · 23-04-2020 10:34PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Its basic immunity. The healthy have been quarantine. Utter madness. Immunity comes from outdoors, obesity comes from indoors

Lockdown Larry, Bunker Bernie and Curtain twitching Catherine will be fooked when they finally have to get back outside.

GazzaL · 23-04-2020 10:35PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

You want to address the balance so that you can go to work, get your hair done, go to the pub etc...

Because you need all this, that's fine.

I'll stand by the oldest and most frail in this society who need the rest of the country to do the right thing.

You come across as selfish and lacking in empathy for the people who need our help the most.

What the hell is wrong with people? You can't take a few weeks of inconvenience to save lives?

I don't get that attitude.

You'll stand by the pensioners who want to return to work? You'll stand by the people who want to return to work in order to be able to pay taxes to support our Health Serivce, the elderly and vulnerable? We've already had more than a few weeks off. Time to get up off your arse and work to support your fellow countrymen and women.

SNNUS · 23-04-2020 10:36PM

Jurgen Klopp wrote: »

Ah come on now, you either are taking this seriously and actually looking up facts or else your wilfully ignoring them. They announced they have started a thorough testing of care homes, the places where nearly half of deaths are, the number of cases is going to balloon from this not reduce[/QUOTE

If you are stuck indoors all day with not much to do but do not read past the 900 odd new cases and see where this figure is coming from..

I see it on so many posts, 900 cases you are not locked up enough scaremongering, the cases in the community are really low and the spike in numbers is all the testing in nursing homes but yet there is an attack on people that are keeping to the restrictions .

road_high · 23-04-2020 10:37PM

normanoffside wrote: »

Lockdown Larry, Bunker Bernie and Curtain twitching Catherine will be fooked when they finally have to get back outside.

Just saw one on Facebook decrying neighbours and wanting to report them. We are still very much the valley of squinting windows with far too many busybodies with too much time on their hands. Blown up by 1000 times by this fiasco

Kermit.de.frog · 23-04-2020 10:37PM

GazzaL wrote: »

We didn't test a diagnose 936 cases in one day, they're over a period of time.

What period of time and how many outside care home settings?

A lot of denial here but that's been the case from day one from people who don't care about anyone else but themselves.

FintanMcluskey · 23-04-2020 10:37PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

You want to address the balance so that you can go to work, get your hair done, go to the pub etc...

Because you need all this, that's fine.

I'll stand by the oldest and most frail in this society who need the rest of the country to do the right thing.

You come across as selfish and lacking in empathy for the people who need our help the most.

What the hell is wrong with people? You can't take a few weeks of inconvenience to save lives?

I don't get that attitude.

We are not saving lives.

SNNUS · 23-04-2020 10:38PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

And why is that?

It's not suppressed by the way when you have 936 cases in one day. The highest so far.

Please read past the first line in the news reports.

GazzaL · 23-04-2020 10:40PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

What period of time and how many outside care home settings?

A lot of denial here but that's been the case from day one from people who don't care about anyone else but themselves.

More denial. Professor Nolan said the number of deaths has been relatively stable since the end of the first week in April, and that this was the final indication that the virus appeared to be under control. We're going to re-open the economy to prevent a complete social and economic catastrophe.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0423/1134432-figures-covid-thursday-23-april/

Kermit.de.frog · 23-04-2020 10:40PM

SNNUS wrote: »

Please read past the first line in the news reports.

How many of them are outside care home settings.

I'll wait for the answer.

thebaz · 23-04-2020 10:40PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

A lot of denial here but that's been the case from day one from people who don't care about anyone else but themselves.

and what about people with other medical conditions (including mental health), are they not also deserving of equal compassion ?

Kermit.de.frog · 23-04-2020 10:41PM

GazzaL wrote: »

More lies and denial. Professor Nolan said the number of deaths has been relatively stable since the end of the first week in April, and that this was the final indication that the virus appeared to be under control. We're going to re-open the economy to prevent a complete social and economic catastrophe.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0423/1134432-figures-covid-thursday-23-april/

I'll ask again...because you ignored the questions.

How many outside care home settings?

Over what time period were the test confirmations returned?

GazzaL · 23-04-2020 10:42PM

thebaz wrote: »

and what about people with other medical conditions (including mental health), are they not also deserving of equal compassion ?

The pro-lockdown nutters don't give a toss if you're suffering from anything other than COVID-19.

LiquidZeb · 23-04-2020 10:42PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

You want to address the balance so that you can go to work, get your hair done, go to the pub etc...

Because you need all this, that's fine.

I'll stand by the oldest and most frail in this society who need the rest of the country to do the right thing.

You come across as selfish and lacking in empathy for the people who need our help the most.

What the hell is wrong with people? You can't take a few weeks of inconvenience to save lives?

I don't get that attitude.

If people can't go to work and pay their bills and mortgages it's not an inconvenience. If businesses start to go bust and people lose their jobs it's not an inconvenience. It's all well and good now the government have the covid 19 payment but that'll be cut because it's not sustainable, will you be so laid-back then?

FintanMcluskey · 23-04-2020 10:43PM

road_high wrote: »

Just saw one on Facebook decrying neighbours and wanting to report them. We are still very much the valley of squinting windows with far too many busybodies with too much time on their hands. Blown up by 1000 times by this fiasco

Someone mentioned this previously but it has served to give power to people who have been consumed by jealousy of successful people. Now Chantelle from Tallaght can justify sitting n her pyjamas all day and post on facebook STFAH and save lives.

GazzaL · 23-04-2020 10:44PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

I'll ask again...because you ignored the questions.

How many outside care home settings?

Over what time period were the test confirmations returned?

Professor Nolan said the trend in Ireland was very stable and that there had been no growth for weeks. The virus is under control. You can try to obfuscate the truth but you destroy your credibility each time.

For about the 5th time, have another read: https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0423/1134432-figures-covid-thursday-23-april/

Relaxation of restrictions Part II

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