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Covid19 Part XVI- 21,983 in ROI (1,339 deaths) 3,881 in NI (404 deaths)(05/05)Read OP

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  • #3242
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    derossi wrote: »
    Yeah maybe so. Thanks.

    Really sorry about your mum btw :(


  • #3243
    timmy_mallet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,165 ✭✭✭timmy_mallet


    Miike wrote: »
    Stop comparing this to the flu. Internalise that this is NOT a flu.

    I'm not sure if you're a high level troll or genuinely that vacuous.

    Not a troll, read the Leung article someone posted here recently. We live with a deadly respiratory virus all around us. Society still functions with that amount of death that it causes. You or I, or anybody else don't know in the short/medium or long term if COVID-19 is worse than the flu. You can forget about getting to 0 COVID-19 deaths/cases, that ship has sailed, forever.


  • #3244
    fullstop
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,812 ✭✭✭✭fullstop


    Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »
    I never once compared Ireland to NZ or Slovakia - you're clearly thinking of someone else.
    That's not entirely true, is it?

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  • #3245
    BanditLuke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,600 ✭✭✭BanditLuke


    derossi wrote: »
    I remember earlier this year, my mum passed away in January. She did have cancer but they where positive about the outcome. She was early 60's and yes she was sick but we expected her to battle on. She took an infection at some point in January and in that month she suffered high temps, sweats, couldnt breath and so on. We all came down with a cold at the same time. We were not allowed in for days because of it. She died later in the month, like I said the cancer doctors were positive but she went down fairly quick. I rememer taking the o2 from her nose for a second and she grabbed it back. I may be looking for a reason but maybe it has been here earlier.

    Sorry for your loss derossi

    I'm hearing more and more of these stories though and it does make me wonder.


  • #3246
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    timmy_mallet wrote: »
    Not a troll, read the Leung article someone posted here recently. We live with a deadly respiratory virus all around us. Society still functions with that amount of death that it causes. You or I, or anybody else don't know in the short/medium or long term if COVID-19 is worse than the flu. You can forget about getting to 0 COVID-19 deaths/cases, that ship has sailed, forever.

    We absolutely do know that its worse,we know its way way worse, flu doesnt kill 20,000 people in New York in a month every year


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  • #3247
    BanditLuke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,600 ✭✭✭BanditLuke


    Miike wrote: »
    Stop comparing this to the flu. Internalise that this is NOT a flu.

    I'm not sure if you're a high level troll or genuinely that vacuous.

    I think we all know the answer.


  • #3248
    syngindub
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,798 ✭✭✭syngindub


    Anyone know what time the trumpster is on tonight?


  • #3249
    timmy_mallet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,165 ✭✭✭timmy_mallet


    wakka12 wrote: »
    We do know that its worse,we know its way way worse, flu doesnt kill 20,000 people in New York in a month every year

    We don't know in the short/medium/long term if it will be more deadly or dangerous.


  • #3250
    Miike
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,021 ✭✭✭Miike


    timmy_mallet wrote: »
    Not a troll, read the Leung article someone posted here recently. We live with a deadly respiratory virus all around us. Society still functions with that amount of death that it causes. You or I, or anybody else don't know in the short/medium or long term if COVID-19 is worse than the flu. You can forget about getting to 0 COVID-19 deaths/cases, that ship has sailed, forever.

    What plane of existence are you on? We live in a time where you have access to the world of information but you chose to post this level of tripe?

    When did the last flu bring the entire globes health system to its knees?


  • #3251
    Gretas Gonna Get Ya!
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,245 ✭✭✭Gretas Gonna Get Ya!


    timmy_mallet wrote: »
    Not a troll, read the Leung article someone posted here recently. We live with a deadly respiratory virus all around us. Society still functions with that amount of death that it causes. You or I, or anybody else don't know in the short/medium or long term if COVID-19 is worse than the flu. You can forget about getting to 0 COVID-19 deaths/cases, that ship has sailed, forever.

    Exactly! We don't know enough about this virus...

    We know much more about the seasonal flu AND we have an effective vaccine for it.

    And yet, while admitting this, you still think we should just treat this like it's the flu!? That's very flawed logic!


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  • #3252
    Hurrache
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,381 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    BanditLuke wrote: »
    ... joggers on footpaths,.....

    Sigh.


  • #3253
    derossi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 231 ✭✭derossi


    BanditLuke wrote: »
    Sorry for your loss derossi

    I'm hearing more and more of these stories though and it does make me wonder.




    I have convinced myself she died with this, not that it matters because she died but it means that what we did what we could but we could do no more or something.


  • #3254
    derossi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 231 ✭✭derossi


    Not to derail this thread, please carry on.


  • #3255
    timmy_mallet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,165 ✭✭✭timmy_mallet


    BanditLuke wrote: »
    Sorry for your loss derossi

    I'm hearing more and more of these stories though and it does make me wonder.

    What does it make you wonder? That the virus was here earlier and not as infectious? Or it suddenly became more infectious? Or that everyone likely had it because it has been here for a long time? What are you wondering?


  • #3256
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    timmy_mallet wrote: »
    We don't know in the short/medium/long term if it will be more deadly or dangerous.

    We do know in the short term, in the short term it has killed astounding numbers of peopel in a number of highly affected urban areas in a very short space of time. As for long term, I dont really know what you mean by that, why would something be dangerous in the short term but not the long term?


  • #3257
    owlbethere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭owlbethere


    flanzer wrote: »
    Thanks. Yeah, I hope we'll continue on this easier path

    One of the things they're shocked by is the rapid progression from nothing to full blown pneumonia

    1 example.
    A girl in her early 30s was admitted being breathless and dizzy, with no known underlying health issues.
    Chest xray showed nothing.
    Blood test showed she'd diabetes (undiagnosed)
    Within 5 hours, she'd full blown pneumonia and had to be intubated
    It's faster in the elderly

    They're seeing heart implications too in some people.

    Outcomes are all very random and unpredictable

    Thank you.

    Its all very bizarre. Hopefully the science and medical professionals can grasp onto this and gain a better unstanding of what this is.


  • #3258
    podgeandrodge
    Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    I went out for my daily walk at 7.30pm.

    Again, like last night, and in complete contrast to last week, numerous groups of teenage girls, teenage couples, couple of lads walking along together with a football etc. etc.

    All these seemingly innocuous things, but they are probably not family members and they are all going back to their respective households with unknown consequences.

    At least with 2 family members they are living together anyway so there is no extra transmission risk.

    And it is mainly young people that don't seem to give a fúck. Even though their family members at home that are older may pay a higher price.


  • #3259
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    derossi wrote: »
    I have convinced myself she died with this, not that it matters because she died but it means that what we did what we could but we could do no more or something.

    It doesnt matter what it was that killed her you shouldnt feel any guilt about not having done enough to help her, that is a horrible and irrational burden to bare.


  • #3260
    timmy_mallet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,165 ✭✭✭timmy_mallet


    Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »
    Exactly! We don't know enough about this virus...

    We know much more about the seasonal flu AND we have an effective vaccine for it.

    And yet, while admitting this, you still think we should just treat this like it's the flu!? That's very flawed logic!

    Er, yes. I think it's your logic that seems to flawed there.


  • #3261
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,145 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    timmy_mallet wrote: »
    Obviously not. A gradual acceptance that we have to live with the death, like the flu, will be needed. There's a flu vaccine, we don't have 0 flu deaths.

    I don't know if you're just deliberately trying to be obtuse or are genuinely oblivious to the infection rates and mortality levels of this virus. Your comments, if nothing else, are insulting to the posters here who have lost family and friends to C19 .

    I'm just thankful that most real people are not like you.


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  • #3262
    Gretas Gonna Get Ya!
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,245 ✭✭✭Gretas Gonna Get Ya!


    derossi wrote: »
    Not to derail this thread, please carry on.

    You're not derailing, it's a point worth making... nobody really knows right now. There are so many unknowns around this virus.

    Sorry about your mum.


  • #3263
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    Sounds like we won't be opening anything back up in May.

    Simon Harris on prime time was basically saying they need more testing and once they broaden the criteria to test as much as possible to find as much people and get them isolated.


  • #3264
    [Deleted User]
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    Mic 1972 wrote: »
    Yep. The recent daily increases are the result of the sloppiness of the last 5-7 days, we were doing fine until before Easter

    True, if you ignore the facts of hospital admissions, icu admissions etc. falling and the increase in cases being entirely a function of the rollout of a wide scale testing program in the care home sector, and due to incubation periods and time from symptoms, deaths over the past 5 to 7 days being representative of infections that occurred long before Easter when we were doing fine. But apart from that..


  • #3265
    Gynoid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,524 ✭✭✭Gynoid


    timmy_mallet wrote: »
    Not a troll, read the Leung article someone posted here recently. We live with a deadly respiratory virus all around us. Society still functions with that amount of death that it causes. You or I, or anybody else don't know in the short/medium or long term if COVID-19 is worse than the flu. You can forget about getting to 0 COVID-19 deaths/cases, that ship has sailed, forever.

    I posted it. Gabriel Leung, Hong Kong epidemiologist, is very wary of lifting restrictions. He also would be the sort, I imagine from reading his words, who would run a mile from "opportunity death cost" type of thinking.

    https://www.spiegel.de/international/world/corona-you-need-the-sledgehammer-to-bring-down-infections-a-e939bdf1-6485-4c24-b70e-9ee7a5cdf5b0-amp


  • #3266
    BanditLuke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,600 ✭✭✭BanditLuke


    podgeandrodge wrote: »
    I went out for my daily walk at 7.30pm.

    Again, like last night, and in complete contrast to last week, numerous groups of teenage girls, teenage couples, couple of lads walking along together with a football etc. etc.

    All these seemingly innocuous things, but they are probably not family members and they are all going back to their respective households with unknown consequences.

    At least with 2 family members they are living together anyway so there is no extra transmission risk.

    And it is mainly young people that don't seem to give a fúck. Even though their family members at home that are older may pay a higher price.

    Bad parenting.


  • #3267
    DevilsHaircut
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 524 ✭✭✭DevilsHaircut


    flanzer wrote: »
    Thanks. Yeah, I hope we'll continue on this easier path

    One of the things they're shocked by is the rapid progression from nothing to full blown pneumonia

    1 example.
    A girl in her early 30s was admitted being breathless and dizzy, with no known underlying health issues.
    Chest xray showed nothing.
    Blood test showed she'd diabetes (undiagnosed)
    Within 5 hours, she'd full blown pneumonia and had to be intubated
    It's faster in the elderly

    They're seeing heart implications too in some people.

    Outcomes are all very random and unpredictable

    Frontline doc in New York Richard Levitan @airwaycam says people should monitor their own oxygen (with finger oximeter), as many Covid 19 patients have 'happy/silent hypoxaemia/low oxygen' and turn up to hospital/GP much too late.

    He's part of NY frontline also now advocating avoid intubation/ventilators if at all possible https://twitter.com/cameronks

    https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1252476301639892993


  • #3268
    Miike
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,021 ✭✭✭Miike


    timmy_mallet wrote: »
    Not a troll, read the Leung article someone posted here recently. We live with a deadly respiratory virus all around us. Society still functions with that amount of death that it causes. You or I, or anybody else don't know in the short/medium or long term if COVID-19 is worse than the flu. You can forget about getting to 0 COVID-19 deaths/cases, that ship has sailed, forever.

    I've never had a 'flu' do so much psychosocial damage in my life. The only people I've interacted with in over 6 weeks are patients and colleagues at work or the two times I've been to a supermarket. I've had NO human interaction outside of that, because of a 'flu'? I've had to move out of my family home, to not see them again for an indeterminate amount of time because of the risk I bring home a virus that could literally kill them in a matter of days. Do you have any notion of what kind of damage that does to a person? It's not a roll of the dice for me, it's reality.

    It's people like you, Timmy, who are largely going to be responsible for perpetuating situations like mine and so many others. I hope your pint or whatever is worth it.


  • #3269
    JP Liz V1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,198 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    derossi wrote: »
    I remember earlier this year, my mum passed away in January. She did have cancer but they where positive about the outcome. She was early 60's and yes she was sick but we expected her to battle on. She took an infection at some point in January and in that month she suffered high temps, sweats, couldnt breath and so on. We all came down with a cold at the same time. We were not allowed in for days because of it. She died later in the month, like I said the cancer doctors were positive but she went down fairly quick. I rememer taking the o2 from her nose for a second and she grabbed it back. I may be looking for a reason but maybe it has been here earlier.

    Sorry for your loss
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  • #3270
    BanditLuke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,600 ✭✭✭BanditLuke


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    Sounds like we won't be opening anything back up in May.

    Simon Harris on prime time was basically saying they need more testing and once they broaden the criteria to test as much as possible to find as much people and get them isolated.

    There will be very little lifting of restrictions in May. It's just a fantasy of a few loons here.


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  • #3271
    derossi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 231 ✭✭derossi


    timmy_mallet wrote: »
    What does it make you wonder? That the virus was here earlier and not as infectious? Or it suddenly became more infectious? Or that everyone likely had it because it has been here for a long time? What are you wondering?


    To be honest, as she was a cancer patient we/I tried to keep her right. We where told that an illness might kill her. I tried my best to ask all calling to the house that they should use the handwash. This was before all this, I was told that if my Mum has an infection then no cancer treatment. I tried to do what we are doing now but people kept coming and no hand washing or whatever. She was taking in and in the end she had a high temp and couldnt breath. Thats all.


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