Is it just me or have SF vanished?

Mortelaro · 23-04-2020 01:38PM

McMurphy wrote: »

Going by this thread, that's debatable.

Back then FG would have been in opposition, and presumably would have stepped up, had all the answers, cured us all, go on to lead us into years of prosperity.

That's what FG folk seem to expect from the shinners going by this thread anyway.

My diagnosis
A few mg's less a day on the hyperbole tablets

McMurphy · 23-04-2020 02:07PM

Mortelaro wrote: »

My diagnosis
A few mg's less a day on the hyperbole tablets

And mine = get new AAs for the sarcasm detector.

blanch152 · 23-04-2020 02:09PM

McMurphy wrote: »

Going by this thread, that's debatable.

Back then FG would have been in opposition, and presumably would have stepped up, had all the answers, cured us all, go on to lead us into years of prosperity.

That's what FG folk seem to expect from the shinners going by this thread anyway.

Also, in case you missed it, there's this gem of a post by Mark which goes on with the "what if" angle.

Just expect them to do something more constructive than putting out misinformation on tweets and other social media. Eoin O'Broin has spent more time deleting his while poor old Dessie is having to apologise for his.

For fools it is better to remain quiet rather than opening your mouth and confirming it to the world. It seems SF got tired of this after a month or so.

23-04-2020 02:24PM

smurgen wrote: »

Looks like SF are still there working away.

https://twitter.com/loreillysf/status/1253242593862967296?s=19

Fergal clarified that situation a bit.

https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1253303900846710784

smurgen · 23-04-2020 02:26PM

Topgear on Dave wrote: »

Fergal clarified that situation a bit.

https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1253303900846710784

I was pointing out the SF help .

Mortelaro · 23-04-2020 03:35PM

Seemingly in the UK,there have been 40,000 offers of ppe for the NHS from private sources
Only 2000 have been contracted so far because all offers have to be strictly vetted for quality and rightly so

blanch152 · 23-04-2020 03:46PM

smurgen wrote: »

I was pointing out the SF help .

Yes, they want to do more of the issue that caused a problem - private provision of PPE. Some help that is.

Again though, the truth comes out later, and the fake news is already out there.

aido79 · 23-04-2020 03:58PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Aye,and look at labour now??

Labour are fg-lite nowadays.....tbh if shinnerz cant get numbers to.form a government,then its clearly opposition for em....this is primary school stuff

But speaking of labour and using 1 of reasons to dismiss the shinnerz,what ever became of the offial IRA guns,afaik they never disbanded nor decommissioned???

It was fairly obvious from very soon after the election that they were going to be in opposition. It was very optimistic of people to think they would end up forming a government.

I have no idea what happened to the official IRA guns or what it has to do with labour.

aido79 · 23-04-2020 04:01PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Exect i never said this either,quite why you make things up and attribute them to someone else is a unique style of debate,and perhaps yous should reflect upon this....might lead to a more positive experience for you

But yeah,you seem to be avoiding explaing how we have had 2 once in a century events in little over a decade,nor can you give gaurantee nothing similar will happen for next 90 or so years???

But ff/fg mouthbreaters will parrot the once in a century line unquestioned.....ive been fooled enough by them in my life to not go there again

Will a SF led government be able to avoid these once in a century events?

James Brown · 23-04-2020 04:11PM

aido79 wrote: »

Will a SF led government be able to avoid these once in a century events?

I would hope they wouldn't use them to profit off the public, same for the more frequent 'way we do business' financial crashes.

23-04-2020 04:40PM

aido79 wrote: »

It was fairly obvious from very soon after the election that they were going to be in opposition. It was very optimistic of people to think they would end up forming a government.

I have no idea what happened to the official IRA guns or what it has to do with labour.

Lord,do you really not know links between labour and official ira??

Taught this was basic stuff

blanch152 · 23-04-2020 04:56PM

Bowie wrote: »

I would hope they wouldn't use them to profit off the public, same for the more frequent 'way we do business' financial crashes.

Profit off the public?

Do you mean like get the HSE to buy PPE from a contact of yours, like Louise O'Reilly is asking?

smurgen wrote: »

Looks like SF are still there working away.

https://twitter.com/loreillysf/status/1253242593862967296?s=19

markodaly · 23-04-2020 05:03PM

Deleted User wrote: »

But yeah,you seem to be avoiding explaing how we have had 2 once in a century events in little over a decade,nor can you give gaurantee nothing similar will happen for next 90 or so years???

We had these events for reasons larger than any Irish political party can control. If this needs explaining further then I cannot help you.

Now, why you insist on going down this weird alley of yours is an even bigger mystery.

But ff/fg mouthbreaters will parrot the once in a century line unquestioned.....ive been fooled enough by them in my life to not go there again

Do you need a hug and constant reassurance about the world? Half the time the world is on the verge of chaos. Not sure what this has to do with FG, FF or even SF.

By the way, SF and other parties are using that 'once in a century' line as well.

markodaly · 23-04-2020 05:05PM

smurgen wrote: »

Looks like SF are still there working away.

https://twitter.com/loreillysf/status/1253242593862967296?s=19

Would it be a contact of a similar nature that told Dessie Ellis some porkies about 17 dead people, something he repeated on a public forum but had to embarrassingly retract?

Maybe a 'good' republican was able to source the PPE?

James Brown · 23-04-2020 05:08PM

blanch152 wrote: »

Profit off the public?

Do you mean like get the HSE to buy PPE from a contact of yours, like Louise O'Reilly is asking?

No I mean like enriching themselves and vulture funds during a housing crises, Sweet deal for water meters in the throws of austerity and paying near double what the UK is for private beds off friends while HSE workers are volunteering in private facilities.

I think you'll paint yourself into a corner if we go down the contracts for pals route Blanch, especially ones at a loss to the tax payer.

blanch152 · 23-04-2020 05:10PM

markodaly wrote: »

Would it be a contact of a similar nature that told Dessie Ellis some porkies about 17 dead people, something he repeated on a public forum but had to embarrassingly retract?

Maybe a 'good' republican was able to source the PPE?

Louise O'Reilly's contact is probably Denis O'Brien nua.

Can't understand why people aren't all over complaining about her trying to get around procurement rules by getting business for her contacts.

blanch152 · 23-04-2020 05:11PM

Bowie wrote: »

No I mean like enriching themselves .

That is a very serious accusation to accuse politicians of enriching themselves.

Do you want to do a Dessie Ellis on it and retract?

23-04-2020 05:14PM

markodaly wrote: »

We had these events for reasons larger than any Irish political party can control. If this needs explaining further then I cannot help you.

Now, why you insist on going down this weird alley of yours is an even bigger mystery

This is not a weird alley,your free to ignore it,if you lack.capacity to understand that 2,once in century events in 12 years isnt possible....its a bullsh1t excuse,parroted by gowls and smacks of ff/fg arrogance of we know best,while running country over a cliff

Do you need a hug and constant reassurance about the world? Half the time the world is on the verge of chaos. Not sure what this has to do with FG, FF or even SF.

By the way, SF and other parties are using that 'once in a century' line as well.

They are all lying,this is 3rd coronavirus of note since 2000...how is that a once in century thing???

Mate,whats pint of supporting ff/fg if they lead to country to ruin every 10 years and blame it on once in century things???iirc ff/greens used same excuse in winter 09/10 iirc aswell,as country ground to a halt due to big freeze

FG parroted once in century excuse as water reservoirs began to run dry in summer 2018...its not mathematically possible for any human to experience once-in-century events 4 times in 12 years

markodaly · 23-04-2020 05:24PM

Deleted User wrote: »

This is not a weird alley,your free to ignore it,if you lack.capacity to understand that 2,once in century events in 12 years isnt possible....its a bullsh1t excuse,parroted by gowls and smacks of ff/fg arrogance of we know best,while running country over a cliff

Are global pandemics a regular thing, that occurs every few years?
Is Covid-19 not a once in a century event, since the last comparable event was the Spanish flu of 1919-1920?
Tell, me how are FG or FF running the country over a cliff the past few weeks?
Do you disagree with the lockdowns?

They are all lying,this is 3rd coronavirus of note since 2000...how is that a once in century thing???

Yes, those other viruses were contained, this hasn't been, hence this event is a global pandemic.

Mate,whats pint of supporting ff/fg if they lead to country to ruin every 10 years and blame it on once in century things???iirc ff/greens used same excuse in winter 09/10 iirc aswell,as a country ground to a halt due to big freeze

What exactly should they do differently today?

FG parroted once in century excuse as water reservoirs began to run dry in summer 2018...its not mathematically possible for any human to experience once-in-century events 4 times in 12 years

I feel like you are losing the run of yourself and obsessing over some phrase with have been used by people from all political backgrounds.

aido79 · 23-04-2020 05:25PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Lord,do you really not know links between labour and official ira??

Taught this was basic stuff

It's not something I know much about or am that interested in to be honest.

Feel free to teach me about it...sorry couldn't resistðŸ˜

aido79 · 23-04-2020 05:27PM

Bowie wrote: »

I would hope they wouldn't use them to profit off the public, same for the more frequent 'way we do business' financial crashes.

I would hope so too but since they have never been in charge of a government there is no way of knowing if they would or not.

23-04-2020 05:30PM

aido79 wrote: »

It's not something I know much about or am that interested in to be honest.

Feel free to teach me about it...sorry couldn't resistðŸ˜

Haha its all good!!

I know its a blog,but gives some outline

https://ansionnachfionn.com/2011/08/23/the-labour-party-and-the-official-ira-they-havent-gone-away-you-know/amp/

Theres also an old pic of gilmore in a balacalva at a press conference,which i just cant find!!!! :mad:

bmc58 · 23-04-2020 05:32PM

gmisk wrote: »

They haven't gone away you know...

This is getting boring now.SF are a force in Irish politics now and are getting stronger.Being dismissed and ignored by the "old guard" FF/FG who are selling their 100 year old principles to stay in power and exclude SF from legitimate government will end with these "elites" being decimated in the next election.How can Leo/Michael dismiss 38% of the people of Eire? Tiochaigh ar La.

McMurphy · 23-04-2020 05:37PM

blanch152 wrote: »

That is a very serious accusation to accuse politicians of enriching themselves.

Tell big Hughie that so.

Former Fine Gael councillor Hugh McElvaney found to have breached ethics laws

Former Fine Gael councillor Hugh McElvaney has been found to have breached ethics laws for public representatives, after he was recorded asking for “loads of money” in return for assistance securing planning permission for a wind farm project from Monaghan County Council.

The commission’s report, published on Tuesday, found Mr McElvaney “conflated his roles as councillor and businessman and used his position as councillor in order to promote his private interests by agreeing to provide information and assistance to the fictitious investment company in respect of the planning process in return for a financial reward”.

Hey Macarena!

Mortelaro · 23-04-2020 05:42PM

bmc58 wrote: »

This is getting boring now.SF are a force in Irish politics now and are getting stronger.Being dismissed and ignored by the "old guard" FF/FG who are selling their 100 year old principles to stay in power and exclude SF from legitimate government will end with these "elites" being decimated in the next election.How can Leo/Michael dismiss 38% of the people of Eire? Tiochaigh ar La.

Firstly It's not 38%
The only numbers that mean anything are elections not opinion polls
Invariably opinion poll spikes for any party don't convert to reality
Secondly Td's are votes from people
The only reason SF are not in government is because more people voted for T.D's that don't want them in government than do
It's that simple

Edgware · 23-04-2020 06:01PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Lord,do you really not know links between labour and official ira??

Taught this was basic stuff

"Taught"? Obviously you mean"thought"
There was never a link between Labour and the Official I.R.A.

Gilmore, Rabbitte etc all left Workers Party because there was a hard core of ex Official I.R.A. people who wanted to follow strict Stalinist Centrist control of the Party and have a secret group. They formed Democratic Left but eventually saw their future in Labour and were assimilated in to it. Trying to portray the Officials as having links or control of the Labour Party is incorrect

Edgware · 23-04-2020 06:07PM

bmc58 wrote: »

This is getting boring now.SF are a force in Irish politics now and are getting stronger.Being dismissed and ignored by the "old guard" FF/FG who are selling their 100 year old principles to stay in power and exclude SF from legitimate government will end with these "elites" being decimated in the next election.How can Leo/Michael dismiss 38% of the people of Eire? Tiochaigh ar La.

I thought that you would know how to spell "Tiocfaidh" at this stage.

Political parties in this democracy are fully entitled to negotiate with whatever other parties that they wish. Sinn Fein refused to speak with other parties long enough to know this
Dream on about the next election. A week is a long time in politics

bmc58 · 23-04-2020 06:32PM

Edgware wrote: »

I thought that you would know how to spell "Tiocfaidh" at this stage.

Political parties in this democracy are fully entitled to negotiate with whatever other parties that they wish. Sinn Fein refused to speak with other parties long enough to know this
Dream on about the next election. A week is a long time in politics

You sure? I thought Leo and Mickey refused to speak to Sinn Fein.
And thanks for your correction of my spelling mistake"Tiocfaidh ar La".OK?

McMurphy · 23-04-2020 07:08PM

Edgware wrote: »

"Taught"? Obviously you mean"thought"
There was never a link between Labour and the Official I.R.A.

Gilmore, Rabbitte etc all left Democratic Left because there was a hard core of ex Official I.R.A. people who wanted to follow strict Stalinist Centrist control of the Party. Trying to portray the Officials as having links or control of the Labour Party is incorrect

You could say The workers party had a bit of a connection to the stickies though.

And you could also say Gilmore had a bit of an auld connection to the workers party.

I have no idea why his reasons for parting though, I don't know if you do either?

James Brown · 23-04-2020 08:03PM

blanch152 wrote: »

Louise O'Reilly's contact is probably Denis O'Brien nua.

Can't understand why people aren't all over complaining about her trying to get around procurement rules by getting business for her contacts.

I had to google who Louise O'Reilly was TBH

If O'Reilly gets a tax payer funded contract that's at a loss to the tax payer, (more expensive than if we went elswhere) and or any minister took a bribe, and/or this loss making choice of vendor was repeated numerous times in numerous areas, sure.

blanch152 wrote: »

That is a very serious accusation to accuse politicians of enriching themselves.

Do you want to do a Dessie Ellis on it and retract?

1 in 4 TD's are landlords. The sweet deal for Siteserv although still under investigation, was a loss for the tax payer.

now lets roll back to the initial comment:

"Will a SF led government be able to avoid these once in a century events?"

Bowie wrote: »

I would hope they wouldn't use them to profit off the public, same for the more frequent 'way we do business' financial crashes.

Don't you? or is it only ever about teams? Still not sure what roll the Greens play here.

If we have a SF government I hope they don't make state level deals, with tax payer money, at a loss to the tax payer value for money wise, just to enrich themselves and others, as we've seen with FF/FG for decades, either on purpose or through incompetence.

Is it just me or have SF vanished?

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