Covid19 Part XVI- 21,983 in ROI (1,339 deaths) 3,881 in NI (404 deaths)(05/05)Read OP

Stheno · 23-04-2020 12:27AM

wakka12 wrote: »

Yes.
5.2% was the very highest estimate though, bare in mind. I think it was a range of 2-5%

EDIT: Not even that high, 4.2% was the highest estimate based on that study
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https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/04/antibody-surveys-suggesting-vast-undercount-coronavirus-infections-may-be-unreliable

I think we're basically saying the same thing, I.e. more people have antibodies than were found when testing for live virus cases

Nowhere near herd immunity though

MipMap · 23-04-2020 12:28AM

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

I would be amazed if Harris ever considered himself to be a virology expert.

As somebody who used to work in science, I could not care less about him not knowing how this virus got its name. It’s pretty unimportant. Knowing how many other corona viruses have been identified - also not hugely important. What is important is what useful information has been gleaned from studying them.

He was trying to make a point that finding a vaccine was not a given.
Way back in 1986 or whenever someone famously said "we will have a vaccine for HIV in 2 years" and they still don't have one.
The line that is going around now is that no vaccine has ever been developed for a Corona Virus. Some people say seasonal flue is a Corona Virus. I don't know.
I know Simon Harris wants the least number of people possible to die from this and he is doing his best to save as many people as he can. That's what matters. Not that he makes a stupid mistake or that he defers to Tony Holohan who in turn defers to the W.H.O. for advise in what to do in an impossiible situation.

Kermit.de.frog · 23-04-2020 12:31AM

And the Shinnerbots are moaning about Harris?

Sinn Fein TD apologises after falsely claiming 17 people died in one nursing home

Maestro85 · 23-04-2020 12:31AM

Stheno wrote: »

We're saved!!!

Trump says there wont be a second wave and if there is it wont be like we've just had :pac:

Thank God. Finally some good and Real News.... :pac::rolleyes:

ldy4mxonucwsq6 · 23-04-2020 12:31AM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Vape lung thingy? I'm lost, what are you on about?

Started last year in US, thousands of people hospitalised with lung injuries/pneumonia. Symptoms very much the same.

Linked to vaping THC apparently but have seen reports where media trying to say it was Coronavirus.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019%E2%80%932020_vaping_lung_illness_outbreak

polesheep · 23-04-2020 12:32AM

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

I don’t know why that makes not knowing exactly what the virus name means important. What’s important is what is discovered about it.

Stop deflecting with the name. It is his gross ignorance that is the issue. Our minister for health thinks that this is the 19th in a sequence of corona viruses. We now have to assume that he is equally ignorant of other facets of this pandemic and yet, he is charged with guiding and running the health service in the time of the Covid19 pandemic. As I said earlier, if Trump or any of his lackies had said this the Internet would be aflame.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 23-04-2020 12:33AM

polesheep wrote: »

But would you have inferred false information from the names?

I can totally see why he might think the viruses were named in number sequence. It’s as logical a system as any. And I don’t know why he was expected to know many other coronaviruses were identified. I don’t really care about his mistake, no, because I understand the thinking. What IS important is any helpful information we can use from previous study of other coronaviruses. He’s not a virologist so I can’t see him boning up on all the coronaviruses. That would be a spectacular waste of his time and energy.

owlbethere · 23-04-2020 12:33AM

fritzelly wrote: »

Confirmed not covid

That's so funny

tobefrank321 · 23-04-2020 12:35AM

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

This is so weird to me. Why is the understanding the name important? When I was working with different bacteria and bacterial strains, their names were of little interest to me. They’re named after all kinds of different things - years, sequentially, whatever. It’s just a name. You have to call them something. We didn’t dwell on why they were called what they were because it wasn’t of much interest.

None of us expect Harris to be a virologist or to understand the virus and disease it causes in great deal.
But as Minister for Health he should at least understand why its called covid 19. This is the bare minimum qualification required, litterly the entry level requirement.

I'm sick of moronic ministers who rely on experts and advisors to help and spoon feed them and who struggle to understand the basics themselves. I think we've reached a new low in that regard. The guy is out of his depth.

23-04-2020 12:37AM

If people are looking for a silver lining to this whole thing it's certain that the behaviour patterns that will be ingrained in us after this will save many many lives from the seasonal flu.
It may even balance out in the long term.

Quantum Erasure · 23-04-2020 12:37AM

polesheep wrote: »

I'm not political and what we're going through should be above politics, ... anybody who defends him is putting party before pandemic.

:rolleyes:

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 23-04-2020 12:37AM

polesheep wrote: »

Stop deflecting with the name. It is his gross ignorance that is the issue. Our minister for health thinks that this is the 19th in a sequence of corona viruses. We now have to assume that he is equally ignorant of other facets of this pandemic and yet, he is charged with guiding and running the health service in the time of the Covid19 pandemic. As I said earlier, if Trump or any of his lackies had said this the Internet would be aflame.

I won’t. People zeroed in on that.

I wouldn’t assume that at all, as somebody who has worked in a closely related field. I cannot fathom why people think Harris would be expected to have intimate coronavirus knowledge or why it’s important for him to know how many have been identified. What is important is what useful information has been gleaned from study of other coronaviruses.

Why do you think it’s important that he knows how many other ones there are and why this virus was named the way it was?

I don’t care about Trump, to be honest.

Kermit.de.frog · 23-04-2020 12:38AM

fritzelly wrote: »

Confirmed not covid

mmm I'll be phoning my vet first thing in the morning

polesheep · 23-04-2020 12:39AM

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

I can totally see why he might think the viruses were named in number sequence. It’s as logical a system as any. And I don’t know why he was expected to know many other coronaviruses were identified. I don’t really care about his mistake, no, because I understand the thinking. What IS important is any helpful information we can use from previous study of other coronaviruses. He’s not a virologist so I can’t see him boning up on all the coronaviruses. That would be a spectacular waste of his time and energy.

As could I... the first time he heard of it. As Minister for Health, however, by now I would expect him to know damn well what the name meant, as well as a great deal more. I'm going to leave this here, however, as the party hacks from all sides are all over it and I don't do politics.

tobefrank321 · 23-04-2020 12:40AM

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

I can totally see why he might think the viruses were named in number sequence. It’s as logical a system as any. And I don’t know why he was expected to know many other coronaviruses were identified. I don’t really care about his mistake, no, because I understand the thinking. What IS important is any helpful information we can use from previous study of other coronaviruses. He’s not a virologist so I can’t see him boning up on all the coronaviruses. That would be a spectacular waste of his time and energy.

No you cannot see that. He's clueless. Just admit it.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 23-04-2020 12:41AM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

None of us expect Harris to be a virologist or to understand the virus and disease it causes in great deal.
But as Minister for Health he should at least understand why its called covid 19. This is the bare minimum qualification required, litterly the entry level requirement.

I'm sick of moronic ministers who rely on experts and advisors to help and spoon feed them and who struggle to understand the basics themselves. I think we've reached a new low in that regard. The guy is out of his depth.

Why is that important? I’m genuinely asking that.

The virus name is so unimportant. When I was researching, the names of bacterial strains were just dry, uninteresting and unimportant, one of the least important things about whatever I was studying.

owlbethere · 23-04-2020 12:42AM

MipMap wrote: »

He was trying to make a point that finding a vaccine was not a given.
Way back in 1986 or whenever someone famously said "we will have a vaccine for HIV in 2 years" and they still don't have one.
The line that is going around now is that no vaccine has ever been developed for a Corona Virus. Some people say seasonal flue is a Corona Virus. I don't know.
.

There's a coronavirus strain in cattle that causes respiratory problems and there's a vaccine for the cattle. I would think it might help go in our favour for a vaccine for humans.

MipMap · 23-04-2020 12:42AM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

I'm sick of moronic ministers who rely on experts and advisors to help and spoon feed them and who struggle to understand the basics themselves. I think we've reached a new low in that regard. The guy is out of his depth.

It was really bad.
But look at Boris. Trump. And I'm sure there are other examples around the world.
He is out of his depth. Just can't think of anyone else right now who could handle this.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 23-04-2020 12:45AM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

No you cannot see that. He's clueless. Just admit it.

I can actually. I’ve explained why.

MipMap · 23-04-2020 12:45AM

owlbethere wrote: »

There's a coronavirus strain in cattle that causes respiratory problems and there's a vaccine for the cattle. I would think it might help go in our favour for a vaccine for humans.

Might work on my ex wife so!!!

tobefrank321 · 23-04-2020 12:46AM

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

I won’t. People zeroed in on that.

I wouldn’t assume that at all, as somebody who has worked in a closely related field. I cannot fathom why people think Harris would be expected to have intimate coronavirus knowledge or why it’s important for him to know how many have been identified. What is important is what useful information has been gleaned from study of other coronaviruses.

Why do you think it’s important that he knows how many other ones there are and why this virus was named the way it was?

I don’t care about Trump, to be honest.

You are deflecting. We don't expect him to have intimate knowledge of coronavirus. We do expect him to have a basic grasp of it. We now know he doesn't know why its called covid19. We also know he didn't fully understand how serious, lethal or contagious it was.

This is in my opinion and others the biggest crisis to hit Ireland since the foundation of the state, and we have a minister dealing with it who doesn't know why its called covid 19.

It would be the equivalent of our Minister for Defence during WW2 not knowing why it was called WW2.

23-04-2020 12:46AM

jesus im not sure what more people want from the govt, the health service, the country as a whole

we're doing as well as can be expected and far, far better than many other countries. and it's credit to everyone.

yes not perfect, but if people cannot maintain even a shred of proportionality in fixating on every ****in tiny thing they can find to froth about then they arent worth hearing out

im sure they're experts in everything and have an impeccable record of achievement behind them alright

Kermit.de.frog · 23-04-2020 12:47AM

The Irish Times view on Singapore’s second wave of coronavirus: A cautionary tale

Its strategy did not sufficiently take account of Covid-19’s ‘silent’ transmission via asymptomatic carriers

In the early stages of the coronavirus crisis, Singapore stood out as a standard-bearer. Drawing on lessons it had learned during the Sars outbreak in 2003, the city-state of 5.8 million people responded quickly to a low-level outbreak in early February with an approach centred on rapid testing and sophisticated contact tracing. While other countries were shutting schools and putting their economies to sleep, Singapore contained that outbreak with minimal disruption.

Today, however, Singapore is more of a cautionary tale – one that Ireland and other countries must heed as they plan to reopen after stringent lockdowns while planning for the risks of a second infection wave. Singapore’s Covid-19 cases exceeded 10,000 yesterday, with the total having risen ten-fold since early April. Gentle restrictions on social movement and economic life have been replaced by a partial lockdown that will remain in place until June 1st at the earliest.

More

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/editorial/the-irish-times-view-on-singapore-s-second-wave-of-coronavirus-a-cautionary-tale-1.4235399

JeffKenna · 23-04-2020 12:48AM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

You are deflecting. We don't expect him to have intimate knowledge of coronavirus. We do expect him to have a basic grasp of it. We now know he doesn't know why its called covid19. We also know he didn't fully understand how serious, lethal or contagious it was.

This is in my opinion and others the biggest crisis to hit Ireland since the foundation of the state, and we have a minister dealing with it who doesn't know why its called covid 19.

It would be the equivalent of our minister for defence during WW2 not knowing why it was called WW2.

Or worse still saying that there were four other wars before WW2

Ray Donovan · 23-04-2020 12:48AM

As of tonight, of any country with over 1,000 confirmed cases of Coronavirus we are:

5th highest in the world of confirmed cases per capita of a million people.

9th highest in the world of deaths per capita of a million people.

You can dress up those figures anyway you like but it doesn't paint a pretty picture for Leo, Simon and Tony.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 23-04-2020 12:49AM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

You are deflecting. We don't expect him to have intimate knowledge of coronavirus. We do expect him to have a basic grasp of it. We now know he doesn't know why its called covid19. We also know he didn't fully understand how serious, lethal or contagious it was.

This is in my opinion and others the biggest crisis to hit Ireland since the foundation of the state, and we have a minister dealing with it who doesn't know why its called covid 19.

It would be the equivalent of our minister for defence during WW2 not knowing why it was called WW2.

No, it isn’t. Jesus. It’s a dry scientific name. WHY is is important for him to know exactly what it means? I didn’t know why all the bacterial stains I worked with were called what they were. It’s just not very important in the scheme of things.

wakka12 · 23-04-2020 12:50AM

https://www.thesun.ie/news/5330234/coronavirus-care-home-massacre-italy-police-190-dead/

Italy's largest nursing home which is in Milan has reported 190 COVID deaths

23-04-2020 12:51AM

Ray Donovan wrote: »

As of tonight, of any country with over 1,000 confirmed cases of Coronavirus we are:

5th highest in the world of confirmed cases per capita of a million people.

9th highest in the world of deaths per capita of a million people.

You can dress up those figures anyway you like but it doesn't paint a pretty picture for Leo, Simon and Tony.

you can actually look at how we are counting and how other countries are counting the dearhs and admit that those figures are worthless

or you can carry on drumming

Higgins5473 · 23-04-2020 12:52AM

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

I won’t. People zeroed in on that.

I wouldn’t assume that at all, as somebody who has worked in a closely related field. I cannot fathom why people think Harris would be expected to have intimate coronavirus knowledge or why it’s important for him to know how many have been identified. What is important is what useful information has been gleaned from study of other coronaviruses.

Why do you think it’s important that he knows how many other ones there are and why this virus was named the way it was?

I don’t care about Trump, to be honest.

Whether he knew or not the origin of the name, which was widespread, is awful. But he was very definite in that interview about there being 18 other corona viruses which had no vaccine. i.e. Talking through his anus, which he does regularly and very poorly.

Anyone that excuses this at this stage is delusional, an FG shill or awfully naive. He is a disaster, always has been. The spin machine fell flat inevitably today after this. It was bound to happen with Harris.

This is one of the most embarrassing comments I have read by anyone globally during this crisis.

wakka12 · 23-04-2020 12:52AM

Ray Donovan wrote: »

As of tonight, of any country with over 1,000 confirmed cases of Coronavirus we are:

5th highest in the world of confirmed cases per capita of a million people.

9th highest in the world of deaths per capita of a million people.

You can dress up those figures anyway you like but it doesn't paint a pretty picture for Leo, Simon and Tony.

Ah this has been done to death

Even the most actively testing countries are only finding a fraction of the cases and Ireland is one of the few countries in the world accurately reporting all deaths. Turkey, Brazil, Ecuador, Iran, Indonesia to name but just a few worldwide are literally not reporting many many thousands of deaths

Covid19 Part XVI- 21,983 in ROI (1,339 deaths) 3,881 in NI (404 deaths)(05/05)Read OP

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