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Covid19 Part XVI- 21,983 in ROI (1,339 deaths) 3,881 in NI (404 deaths)(05/05)Read OP

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  • #2432
    keynes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 300 ✭✭keynes


    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »
    Indeed. I don’t even know why people think knowing the number of coronaviruses identified is so important here. How does that affect his handling of this situation?


    It was in fact a very revealing remark. It exemplified how easily he could just "make stuff up" and purport to have expertise on an issue he knows nothing about. His additional remark about the absence of a vaccine for the 18 other coronaviruses was especially troubling in this regard


  • #2433
    owlbethere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭owlbethere


    Brycen Round Symbol wrote: »
    Don't forget the US vape lung thingy which is also being linked back to covid now according to some media reporting.

    Surely xrays on them Vapers would have showed damage to lungs like the covid19 damage.

    Scientists traced the origins of the virus to a particular type of bat to a part of China.

    Unless if its biological warfare at play here with a made up virus from that lab in wuhan.


  • #2434
    MipMap
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 435 ✭✭MipMap


    bekker wrote: »
    Missed it, what was answer please?
    https://www.pscp.tv/rtenews/1djxXQpZmPBKZ
    25 minutes in.
    Answer was waffle IMO.


  • #2435
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 2,016 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I definitely had Covid 19 last September. A dry cough, high temperature, no sense of smell or taste. It came on suddenly after a massive session of Guinness, jaegar bombs and a duck Cantonese. Fecking Chinese!!!!


  • #2436
    Rayne Wooney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,136 ✭✭✭✭Rayne Wooney


    fullstop wrote: »
    If there were abnormally high death rates then too, then yes you could. Otherwise, no.

    The stuff I’m referring to was probably American.

    But it could have been here earlier than February if it took time to get into nursing homes. There were cases in Cork on the 4th of March that are still unaccounted for AFAIK?

    It’s entirely possible it could have been here in January surely.


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  • #2437
    froog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,784 ✭✭✭froog


    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/apr/22/trump-hydroxychloroquine-study-coronavirus

    Donald Trump and conservative supporters have backed away from hyping the controversial drug hydroxychloroquine as a potential cure for the coronavirus. Fox News staffers have also pivoted from promoting the anti-malarial drug.

    The dial-back came as a new report showed that a recent US trial of hydroxychloroquine had not gone well – and before a senior government doctor who led efforts to produce a Covid-19 vaccine told the New York Times he believed he was sacked because he pressed for rigorous testing of the supposed treatment.

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  • #2438
    Stheno
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    owlbethere wrote: »
    Its getting so much more harder to believe them Chinese case numbers. Their first case was in November and 2 months later they lock down at 1000 cases.


    Here at home we got our first confirmed case on the first of March or there abous. We are about 6 weeks I'm down the line from the first case and we have over 16000 cases.

    Yep it's like an alternative universe where China exist compared to an awful lot of other countries

    Estimates of the true numbers of cases and deaths there go as high as 40 times more than the "official" figures


  • #2439
    gmisk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,483 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    tobefrank321 wrote: »
    Full body condoms? Not a bad idea!
    Frank Drebin swears by them!


  • #2440
    domrush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,185 ✭✭✭domrush


    Rayne Wooney wrote: »
    The stuff I’m referring to was probably American.

    But it could have been here earlier than February if it took time to get into nursing homes. There were cases in Cork on the 4th of March that are still unaccounted for AFAIK?

    It’s entirely possible it could have been here in January surely.

    Entirely possible it could have been here in very small numbers towards the end of January Rayne.

    But some posters saying that we had large numbers requiring doctors treatment in November is outlandish!


  • #2441
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,185 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Trump has never heard of Hydroxychloroquine


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  • #2442
    owlbethere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭owlbethere


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    For all the doubters I had it back in September and I have the pictures to prove it

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    You can't take it away from me!

    September would have been too early for a flu.

    Would you be interested in going for an xray? Surely an xray would show if you have covid19 lungs.


  • #2443
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    keynes wrote: »
    It was in fact a very revealing remark. It exemplified how easily he could just "make stuff up" and purport to have expertise on an issue he knows nothing about. His additional remark about the absence of a vaccine for the 18 other coronaviruses was especially troubling in this regard

    I would be amazed if Harris ever considered himself to be a virology expert.

    As somebody who used to work in science, I could not care less about him not knowing how this virus got its name. It’s pretty unimportant. Knowing how many other coronaviruses have been identified - also not hugely important. What is important is what useful information has been gleaned from studying them.


  • #2444
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    domrush wrote: »
    Entirely possible it could have been here in very small numbers towards the end of January Rayne.

    But some posters saying that we had large numbers requiring doctors treatment in November is outlandish!

    Perhaps but given that the R0 of this virus appears to be so high now when left uncontrolled it makes me really think it was not here until late february. I think if it had been here since January I dont see how it could have spread so slowly..and then so fast in March. But then again the news of the deaths of those people in California weeks before the first confirmed death in the US makes me think otherwise


  • #2445
    owlbethere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭owlbethere


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    Trump has never heard of Hydroxychloroquine

    I'm not watching him tonight. I just can't. Not any more. Is that what he said? He said before that he's not a doctor but he had a good feel about it?

    Fcuking eejit of a man. He must be well minded in the white House the fact he's not coming down sick with the virus.


  • #2446
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    wakka12 wrote: »
    Perhaps but given that the R0 of this virus appears to be so high now when left uncontrolled it makes me really think it was not here until late february

    Multiple antibody test studies are now coming out showing that asymptomatic or very mild infection are far greater than previously known


  • #2447
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    owlbethere wrote: »
    I'm not watching him tonight. I just can't. Not any more. Is that what he said? He said before that he's not a doctor but he had a good feel about it?

    Fcuking eejit of a man. He must be well minded in the white House the fact he's not coming down sick with the virus.

    He denied know the guy in charge of vaccines that was fired


  • #2448
    bekker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 912 ✭✭✭bekker


    MipMap wrote: »
    https://www.pscp.tv/rtenews/1djxXQpZmPBKZ
    25 minutes in.
    Answer was waffle IMO.
    Thanks,

    If there is a specific reason for a declassification then it is known at the time it is announced as a declassification and the reason should be identified, otherwise as you say it's waffle.


  • #2449
    tobefrank321
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,527 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    keynes wrote: »
    It was in fact a very revealing remark. It exemplified how easily he could just "make stuff up" and purport to have expertise on an issue he knows nothing about. His additional remark about the absence of a vaccine for the 18 other coronaviruses was especially troubling in this regard

    It confirms what many suspect. When wall to wall news was coming out of Wuhan he wasn't paying attention. The fact he doesn't know why its called covid 19 is just pathetic.


  • #2450
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    Stheno wrote: »
    Multiple antibody test studies are now coming out showing that asymptomatic or very mild infection are far greater than previously known

    Far greater but still not very high..imo anyway. The tests in LA and San Diego showed 5.2% at the very highest, obviously much more than has been confirmed but its not a very big percent of the population. It was also a very biased study, skewed towards testing people who believed they had had COVID already.

    The other test that I know of is the German one in Gangelt and that is a very hard hit epicentre town and only revealed infection rates of 15% , not very high for an epicentre either


  • #2451
    Stheno
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    wakka12 wrote: »
    Far greater but still not very high..imo anyway. The tests in LA and San Diego showed 5.2% at the very highest, obviously much more than has been confirmed but its not a very big percent of the population. It was also a very biased study, skewed towards testing people who believed they had had COVID already.

    5.2% of the population is what you mean were found to have had it, is that right?


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  • #2452
    owlbethere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭owlbethere


    Stheno wrote: »
    He denied know the guy in charge of vaccines that was fired

    I'm not missing much so. Just, more bullsh1t from the senile old man.


  • #2453
    domrush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,185 ✭✭✭domrush


    wakka12 wrote: »
    Perhaps but given that the R0 of this virus appears to be so high now when left uncontrolled it makes me really think it was not here until late february. I think if it had been here since January I dont see how it could have spread so slowly..and then so fast in March. But then again the news of the deaths of those people in California weeks before the first confirmed death in the US makes me think otherwise

    I agree, however when dealing in very small numbers statistical error is much larger. I think it is unlikely but it is possible it was here in late Jan.


  • #2454
    bekker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 912 ✭✭✭bekker


    owlbethere wrote: »
    Its getting so much more harder to believe them Chinese case numbers. Their first case was in November and 2 months later they lock down at 1000 cases.


    Here at home we got our first confirmed case on the first of March or there abous. We are about 6 weeks I'm down the line from the first case and we have over 16000 cases.
    Just stop and think for a moment, their first case of what?


  • #2455
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,147 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    owlbethere wrote: »
    September would have been too early for a flu.

    Would you be interested in going for an xray? Surely an xray would show if you have covid19 lungs.

    Confirmed not covid

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  • #2456
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    Stheno wrote: »
    5.2% of the population is what you mean were found to have had it, is that right?

    Yes.
    5.2% was the very highest estimate though, bare in mind. I think it was a range of 2-5%

    EDIT: Not even that high, 4.2% was the highest estimate based on that study
    'Fifty antibody tests were positive—about 1.5%. But after adjusting the statistics to better reflect the county’s demographics, the researchers concluded that between 2.49% and 4.16% of the county’s residents had likely been infected.
    '

    https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/04/antibody-surveys-suggesting-vast-undercount-coronavirus-infections-may-be-unreliable


  • #2457
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    tobefrank321 wrote: »
    It confirms what many suspect. When wall to wall news was coming out of Wuhan he wasn't paying attention. The fact he doesn't know why its called covid 19 is just pathetic.

    This is so weird to me. Why is the understanding the name important? When I was working with different bacteria and bacterial strains, their names were of little interest to me. They’re named after all kinds of different things - years, sequentially, whatever. It’s just a name. You have to call them something. We didn’t dwell on why they were called what they were because it wasn’t of much interest.


  • #2458
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »
    I would be amazed if Harris ever considered himself to be a virology expert.

    As somebody who used to work in science, I could not care less about him not knowing how this virus got its name. It’s pretty unimportant. Knowing how many other coronaviruses have been identified - also not hugely important. What is important is what useful information has been gleaned from studying them.

    I'm not political and what we're going through should be above politics, but he is THE MINISTER FOR HEALTH! He never was and still is not, fit to be a minister. He should be a laughing stock for saying this were it not so very serious. There is nothing to be gained at the moment from going after him, but I hope to Hell that they are keeping him away from serious decisions. And anybody who defends him is putting party before pandemic.


  • #2459
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »
    This is so weird to me. Why is the understanding the name important? When I was working with different bacteria and bacterial strains, their names were of little interest to me. They’re named after all kinds of different things - years, sequentially, whatever. It’s just a name. You have to call them something. We didn’t dwell on why they were called what they were because it wasn’t of much interest.

    But would you have inferred false information from the names?


  • #2460
    ceadaoin.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,667 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    owlbethere wrote: »
    Surely xrays on them Vapers would have showed damage to lungs like the covid19 damage.

    The damage was similar. One teenager had to get a lung transplant because of it. They had traced it back to some additive in certain vapes though, pretty sure they know it wasn't caused by a virus. Also the vaping illness mainly affected young people which the opposite of covid19

    But it’s also because symptoms of EVALI are similar to those of flu and other respiratory illnesses — including cough, shortness of breath, chest pain, fever, fatigue, and hazy spots on an X-ray.

    “It is currently very hard for us to tell the difference between pneumonia and vaping related lung injury,” said Dr. Alicia Briggs, chair of pediatrics at Norwalk Hospital and a pediatric hospitalist at Connecticut Children’s


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  • #2461
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts
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    polesheep wrote: »
    I'm not political and what we're going through should be above politics, but he is THE MINISTER FOR HEALTH! He never was and still is not, fit to be a minister. He should be a laughing stock for saying this were it not so very serious. There is nothing to be gained at the moment from going after him, but I hope to Hell that they are keeping him away from serious decisions. And anybody who defends him is putting party before pandemic.

    I don’t know why that makes not knowing exactly what the virus name means important. What’s important is what is discovered about it. Viruses and bacteria are just given names, using different systems. Nobody who works with them gives the names much thought because it’s not that interesting or important.


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