Covid19 Part XVI- 21,983 in ROI (1,339 deaths) 3,881 in NI (404 deaths)(05/05)Read OP

JoChervil · 22-04-2020 10:49PM

coastwatch wrote: »

Researchers in France to test the effects of nicotine on coronovirus patients and front line healthcare workers using patches, to try to understand why it appears smokers are less likely to contract the virus.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/22/french-study-suggests-smokers-at-lower-risk-of-getting-coronavirus

I am not sure, if they are less likely to contract the virus. Or if they are less likely to die because of it.

In this video, which was posted here few days ago, a doctor from NY said that it didn't look like pneumonia. Only it was more iron toxicity. He claimed that this virus was damaging red cells in the blood releasing toxic iron ions. And they were causing havoc in the body.

So maybe smokers having their lungs choked with stuff from cigs are actually protected? Maybe this virus can't reach haemoglobin in blood and damage it? Maybe this stuff from cigs works like a protective layer, like a trap for the virus?

igCorcaigh · 22-04-2020 10:50PM

More craziness from the USA regime (Guardian blog) :

The doctor who was head of the federal agency overseeing research into a vaccine said he was ousted from his post after he questioned the effectiveness of hydroxychloroquine, the anti-malarial drug the US president Donald Trump has often touted.

Rick Bright, who was the director of the Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority (BARDA), was reassigned to a role with fewer responsibilities, according to a statement from his lawyer. The New York Times first reported the news.

While I am prepared to look at all options and to think ‘outside the box’ for effective treatments, I rightly resisted efforts to provide an unproven drug on demand to the American public.

I am speaking out because to combat this deadly virus, science — not politics or cronyism — has to lead the way.

Jim_Hodge · 22-04-2020 10:54PM

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »

Yes, I did read it.

Did you read it yourself, brainbox?

The article doesn't clarify anything related to gatherings UNDER 5K... it only states the policy on gatherings OVER 5K... hence why it's an ambiguous statement for a government to make to the public!

It sounds like the maximum gathering permitted is 5,000 people. Which is not the case at all, it seems. When they could have simply stated, that concerts and large sporting events would not be given licenses this summer - which would have been much more clear and less confusing for people!

They clearly said licences would not be granted for >5000. They couldn't say <5000 would not be licenced as they don't ever need licencing any way. Blame the journalist, because the statement made it clear that no mass gatherings were likely.

But you seem determined to be outraged, so have at it.

owlbethere · 22-04-2020 10:55PM

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/04/22/health/cats-new-york-coronavirus-trnd/index.html

I'm just after reading this.

If an animal can get infected with this, can they then infect people.

I used to get very close to my pets. My dog used to lick my eyelids open. She got old and she's gone now. People and and their pets can and do get close.

Is it people passing it onto people?
Can animals pass it to each other?
Can cats and dogs infect each other?
If pets roam and pick up virus and become infected, can they infect their humans/owners?
What happens of it gets into livestock?

weisses · 22-04-2020 10:56PM

gabeeg wrote: »

Question then, hot-shot - how many coronaviruses have there been prior to covid-19

they are there since the 60's

Away With The Fairies · 22-04-2020 10:56PM

gabeeg wrote: »

put a mask on it

I'm giving my cat a fag

eagle eye · 22-04-2020 10:57PM

Deleted User wrote:

Every other government in Europe, the americas and Australasia made the same assessment. Some of them had advantages of geography, some had few travellers, but all made the same assessment. Late February would have been too late anyway. A lot of the skiers who subsequently tested positive returned from Italy and Austria mid feb. Ischl in Austria had it the end of January.

Check.out New Zealand, Taiwan and Australia's response. It was much better than ours.
And you can improve even if you were a horrendous government like ours. Have a look at the Czech republic and how they ramped up things and where they are now compared to us.
Great leaders make great decisions in times like this, Our idiots haven't even set up mandatory quarantine.

MipMap · 22-04-2020 10:57PM

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »

People have been goading many of us, for pointing out the mistakes made by our government... because the assumption is that we all think we could do a better job. Which many find hilarious!

Yes but also fighting a virus is not rocket science even though they are trying to suggest it is.
It spreads from person to person when they are close to each other and they move around a lot.
Get people to stay away from other people as much as possible and the virus
cannot spread so readily.

Despite all the rhetoric governments all over the world have done this more or less.

The real test is about to come when they start letting people get closer together again

Quantum Erasure · 22-04-2020 10:58PM

must remember to keep at least 2 metres from any tiger i see

JP Liz V1 · 22-04-2020 10:59PM

2 members of Dublin Airport's fire service were admitted to ICU after up to 18 staff tested positive

https://www.herald.ie/news/covid-cluster-at-airport-put-two-firefighters-in-intensive-care-39143753.html

The HSE's Health Protection Surveillance Centre was notified of 15 workplace clusters or outbreaks of the virus by April 17. The highest number were in the south

Martina1991 · 22-04-2020 10:59PM

jackboy wrote:

This is a problem. The lab is not really working 24/7. One person on call doesnâ€™t really count as a fully operational lab. Is there any plan to hire new staff to work in the lab?

It is working 24/7.

You cant have a full lab service at night. The majority of the work comes from GPs, which arent open at night. Having a fully staffed lab would be a waste of resources. You need your staff in during the day to get through the workload.

Instead of just having urgent samples to process from patients within the hospital, they had all this work from the community which could have been sent in during the day when others could have helped out.

Drumpot · 22-04-2020 11:00PM

bettyoleary wrote: »

He got it from an infected zoo keeper.

I glance read that as “he got fingered by an infected zoo keeper”.....

I’m tired, I think I should probably go to bed.

fullstop · 22-04-2020 11:00PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

How did they do a test in cats in New York? I'm hoping tests are wrong in some way.

You'd have to wonder. Especially when hundreds of thousands of people in the US apparently can't get tests.

Kermit.de.frog · 22-04-2020 11:01PM

2,112 new deaths across the US so far today, they could break 50,000 total as early as tomorrow.

Cork Boy 53 · 22-04-2020 11:02PM

domrush wrote: »

A random smattering amongst other animals does not suggest that the disease can jump easily to animals. These animal may have already been sickly/weak. There has not been a more than half a dozen cases of this despite how many humans have been infected.

It’s not something to be worked up over

I`m sure that many claimed the same thing when the first person in China tested positive. That prediction didn`t turn out too well.

Atlantic Dawn · 22-04-2020 11:02PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

2,112 new deaths across the US so far today, they could break 50,000 total as early as tomorrow.

At the weekend Don was saying total entire figures for the virus may not even reach 50-60k, there's a long long way to go yet.

Kermit.de.frog · 22-04-2020 11:04PM

Speaking of the man child...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeNNXuYHXXg

smelly sock · 22-04-2020 11:04PM

Ffs.

So autopsies showing that covid was spreading in the US since January.

Obviously it was here a lot longer than we know of.

olestoepoke · 22-04-2020 11:04PM

BanditLuke wrote: »

Ah look iv'e no time for FG ive voted SF the last two elections but ffs he's under incredible pressure more pressure than any other minister for health in the history of our country.

So he's not able to take the pressure, get someone who is to take his place. I'll say it again he's the minister for health. How can someone in his position not know that this was wrong. I've lost complete confidence in him now and think he should be removed.

washman3 · 22-04-2020 11:05PM

fullstop wrote: »

You'd have to wonder. Especially when hundreds of thousands of people in the US apparently can't get tests.

And here at home you have to wonder how Ryan Turbridy and Claire Byrne got tested and diagnosed within 3 days while many frontline workers were waiting 2-3 weeks.!!

tabby aspreme · 22-04-2020 11:06PM

owlbethere wrote: »

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/04/22/health/cats-new-york-coronavirus-trnd/index.html

I'm just after reading this.

If an animal can get infected with this, can they then infect people.

I used to get very close to my pets. My dog used to lick my eyelids open. She got old and she's gone now. People and and their pets can and do get close.

Is it people passing it onto people?
Can animals pass it to each other?
Can cats and dogs infect each other?
If pets roam and pick up virus and become infected, can they infect their humans/owners?
What happens of it gets into livestock?

There already are strains of coronavirus that effect dogs and cattle, with a vaccine available for cattle

22-04-2020 11:06PM

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »

People have been goading many of us, for pointing out the mistakes made by our government... because the assumption is that we all think we could do a better job. Which many find hilarious!

But here's the thing, just because you managed to play the political game and get elected into office... this doesn't necessarily mean you are a very competent person with great judgement. You could just be very good at manipulating the political system and making the right friends... and at the same time be a completely useless leader and decision maker under pressure. (which many politicians certain are)

And on the flipside, someone sitting at home reading and analysing everything from a distance, might have excellent judgement... but have zero inclination towards entering the filthy world of politics...

I don't know if anyone on here would make a better politician than some of these clowns in office... but I do know that MANY people on here, have been calling things correctly from the very beginning of this thing - while those in government have been getting things wrong. And it's actually not an uncommon occurrence right across the internet... you have all sorts of people with different backgrounds, who quite often see things that others don't see.

The assumption that someone holding a public office, must be automatically a more capable person than anyone else on the street who might criticise them... sorry no that's just not necessarily the case! There are plenty of capable and intelligent people out in every walk of life, who will never become a public figure... but they could still very well have better judgement than many of those politicians!

Maybe the capable intelligent people who’s job it is to advise governments on these matters, have studied for years in their areas of expertise and have access to all the data, not snippets from news headlines, are best placed to make judgements? Epidemiologist, virologists, healthcare professionals etc? Or maybe a selection of those boards posters with the most common sense?
I know who I would trust. And I know who I would still trust even if some decisions were wrong due to incorrect or missing data or just the wrong call being made.

And I have yet to see any evidence the government has gone against advice they have received but am open to correction on that

hmmm · 22-04-2020 11:06PM

Wow - https://twitter.com/jaketapper/status/1253064793818357765

Head of US vaccine agency removed by Trump for not promoting his quack cures.

smelly sock · 22-04-2020 11:06PM

olestoepoke wrote: »

So he's not able to take the pressure, get someone who is to take his place. I'll say it again he's the minister for health. How can someone in his position not know that this was wrong. I've lost complete confidence in him now and think he should be removed.

Who would be better?

Kermit.de.frog · 22-04-2020 11:07PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

I'm giving my cat a fag

Wibbs · 22-04-2020 11:08PM

gabeeg wrote: »

Question then, hot-shot - how many coronaviruses have there been prior to covid-19

Quite a few funny enough G. IIRC they make up around 10% of "the common cold" cases over the years.

Higgins5473 · 22-04-2020 11:08PM

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

No reminding necessary. It has been discussed thoroughly here already.

It's worth reposting this as often as necessary so it doesn't get drowned in 'boo boo' 'tired' 'simon the hero working so hard' deflection.

It is the most humiliating and embarrassing I have heard from any leader during all of this crisis.

https://twitter.com/normaburke/status/1252940393903243265?s=21

fullstop · 22-04-2020 11:09PM

eagle eye wrote: »

Check.out New Zealand, Taiwan and Australia's response. It was much better than ours.
And you can improve even if you were a horrendous government like ours. Have a look at the Czech republic and how they ramped up things and where they are now compared to us.
Great leaders make great decisions in times like this, Our idiots haven't even set up mandatory quarantine.

New Zealand and Australia keep getting thrown around on this thread like they're in any way relevant to the situation in Europe. They're not.
New Zealand's response was later than ours. They didn't put restriction in place until March 24th. Australia were even slower to move, and Bondi beach was rammed until a couple of weeks ago. Your comparison might be valid if they were a 2 hour flight from Italy, France, Spain or Austria where the virus were rampant, but there's nowhere within a couple of thousand miles of either.

22-04-2020 11:09PM

fullstop wrote: »

You'd have to wonder. Especially when hundreds of thousands of people in the US apparently can't get tests.

It’s important science to know if the virus is transmitting to animal. Also testing capabilities would be in place in veterinary colleges and zoo’s

washman3 · 22-04-2020 11:09PM

smelly sock wrote: »

Ffs.

So autopsies showing that covid was spreading in the US since January.

Obviously it was here a lot longer than we know of.

Some doctors in this country raised questions as far back as last November but were fobbed off by the HSE.
The truth may eventually come out, but dont bet on it...;)

Covid19 Part XVI- 21,983 in ROI (1,339 deaths) 3,881 in NI (404 deaths)(05/05)Read OP

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