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Relaxation of restrictions Part II

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  • #242
    Jurgen Klopp
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,807 ✭✭✭Jurgen Klopp


    fr336 wrote: »
    And the only reason it's apparently restricted to care settings at the moment is because of the bloomin' lockdown! Honestly how bad are people's memories? Pre lockdown there were cases coming out from many countries including the UK of fit and healthy young people ending up in intensive care with this. The lockdown is working. The same people calling for it to be lifted too soon (I mean too soon as in May) are exactly the types who called it "just the flu", "only affects the old" (so anyone older 60) etc at the start. Why would anyone listen to these fools?

    Ok, how long do you think lockdown needs to last for? What sort of say outcome would you be happy with to start rolling back restrictions?


  • #243
    Icyseanfitz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,531 ✭✭✭Icyseanfitz


    Quantum Erasure wrote: »
    a lot less pensions to be paid

    I really hope was in sarcasm, if not jesus


  • #244
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,621 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Icyseanfitz wrote: »
    so you believe schools should just have just been left open, a place where social distancing cant be kept at all, and are a well known and agreed upon place of breading/spreading ground for viruses?

    According to Dr Murcus Brun yes. He was apointed to the medical council and resigned. Claiming lockdowns were useless in Ireland


  • #245
    Icyseanfitz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,531 ✭✭✭Icyseanfitz


    Quantum Erasure wrote: »
    a lot less pensions to be paid

    I really hope that was said in sarcasm, if not jesus


  • #246
    growleaves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,978 ✭✭✭growleaves


    There is no such thing as society, as their hero Maggie once said.

    Uh it is this new scientific-advisory form of government which has actually abolished civil society temporarily, something that economic liberals (of which I'm not one) have not done.

    You're seeing economic reductionism but the lockdown is a kind of extreme reductionism where every aspect of life is being subordinated to a doctor's imperative of maintaining or increasing biological life-span without considering other factors. It is a monomania like no other.

    The after-effects of this are going to be a big demolition job on the poor and ordinary workers imo.


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  • #247
    normanoffside
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,227 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    Quantum Erasure wrote: »
    I'm sure the deaths will average out over the next 20 years, but you don't see there being a spike this year at all?

    I don't know if you are directing that at me or not, but if so, you are selectively quoting my post to make it look like I was making a point that I wasn't making at all.


  • #248
    Icyseanfitz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,531 ✭✭✭Icyseanfitz


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    According to Dr Murcus Brun yes. He was apointed to the medical council and resigned. Claiming lockdowns were useless in Ireland

    they thought the same in the uk, usa, and italy until they realised they where 100% wrong


  • #249
    fr336
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,179 ✭✭✭✭fr336


    The funny thing is I'd actualy love things to return to normal. But so far not one of the anti lockdowners have given me confidence that if this isn't handled correctly it leads us back to the situation we were in before lockdown, with very likely exponential growth in hospital case and death rates, a health system overwhelmed resulting in many lives (possibly many young) who would have been saved in normal circumstances, and severe economic repurcussions as the icing on the cake. There needs to be a severe lockdown for a short time then a slow steady easing of restrictions across many months. Otherwise it will be a stop start approach, chaos and many needless deaths and economic damage making 2020 a write off.


  • #250
    Quantum Erasure
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,606 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    Luis Panicky Bat wrote: »
    Unlikely to be reopening any time soon, those that can manage to eventually reopen that is...

    We've been given a heads up with the announcement of summer gatherings being cancelled.

    Gets us mentally prepared for the fact that not much will be back to normal any time soon.

    how will we manage weddings with social distancing?

    could we see a resurgence of line dancing???


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  • #251
    ldy4mxonucwsq6
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    Icyseanfitz wrote: »
    so you believe schools should just have just been left open, a place where social distancing cant be kept at all, and are a well known and agreed upon place of breading/spreading ground for viruses?

    I didn't say that but I do think it was a knee jerk decision, it's all about weighing up the risks v benefits.


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  • #252
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Luis Panicky Bat wrote: »
    Unlikely to be reopening any time soon, those that can manage to eventually reopen that is...

    We've been given a heads up with the announcement of summer gatherings being cancelled.

    Gets us mentally prepared for the fact that not much will be back to normal any time soon.

    A wedding isn't a gathering of 5,000. We'll have to wait and see what guidance is issued around indoor and outdoor events.


  • #253
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,621 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    fr336 wrote: »
    Not lockdown for life. Potentially a number of weeks in the year 2020. A year has 52 weeks. Two years has 104 weeks. How many weeks will you see in a lifetime? If a few weeks (even 3 or 4 months) in the year 2020 saved you from a once in a lifetime pandemic and you could have many many many many years after it, will you be grateful or not? But then it won't affect you, Fintan...;)
    To achieve what. Tell me what restrictions are now achieving??????
    My grandfather said all months are vital at his age and hes fcuked if hes gona spend all Summer inside .


  • #254
    growleaves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,978 ✭✭✭growleaves


    could we see a resurgence of line dancing???

    Lets not make a bad situation even worse.


  • #255
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,621 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Icyseanfitz wrote: »
    they thought the same in the uk, usa, and italy until they realised they where 100% wrong

    Absoultely not. No evidence that lockdowns will have any effect on yearly death toll


  • #256
    Icyseanfitz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,531 ✭✭✭Icyseanfitz


    Luis Panicky Bat wrote: »
    I didn't say that but I do think it was a knee jerk decision, it's all about weighing up the risks v benefits.

    If closing schools was a knee jerk reaction what would you have done differently?


  • #257
    Quantum Erasure
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    normanoffside wrote: »
    I don't know if you are directing that at me or not, but if so, you are selectively quoting my post to make it look like I was making a point that I wasn't making at all.

    ah, sorry, thought it was you who asked

    'What do you think is going to happen when we realise the death rate is completely stable overall this year?'


  • #258
    ldy4mxonucwsq6
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    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    To achieve what. Tell me what restrictions are now achieving??????
    My grandfather said all months are vital at his age and hes fcuked if hes gona spend all Summer inside .

    Same from our cocooners here, too many precious days passed without their loved ones around, they aren't happy about it at all and I think it's not going to last much longer.


  • #259
    fr336
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    Jurgen Klopp wrote: »
    Ok, how long do you think lockdown needs to last for? What sort of say outcome would you be happy with to start rolling back restrictions?

    Just see how things go. Because that's all you can do. It could be lifted next week if someone came up with some genius idea or there was a clear fall in transmission and potential transmission. With robust laws in place to enforce social distancing restrictions, everyone wearing masks etc. To just say "let's take our chances" is not a strategy.


  • #260
    fr336
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,179 ✭✭✭✭fr336


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    To achieve what. Tell me what restrictions are now achieving??????
    My grandfather said all months are vital at his age and hes fcuked if hes gona spend all Summer inside .

    We're in April, Fintan. 3 and a half weeks of lockdown. Summer still all to play for if it's done properly. But the mindset of "go go go get whole economy back up now now now" is precisely one of the reasons there may be more extensions.


  • #261
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,621 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    fr336 wrote: »
    Just see how things go

    These words are more deadly than any virus


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  • #262
    Spencer Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 268 ✭✭Spencer Brown


    fr336 wrote: »
    We're in April, Fintan. 3 and a half weeks of lockdown. Summer still all to play for if it's done properly. But the mindset of "go go go get whole economy back up now now now" is precisely one of the reasons there may be more extensions.

    You sir are a complete bellend


  • #263
    GazzaL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,395 ✭✭✭GazzaL


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    To achieve what. Tell me what restrictions are now achieving??????
    My grandfather said all months are vital at his age and hes fcuked if hes gona spend all Summer inside .

    Fair play to him. Carpe diem. He's not the only elderly person with that attitude. I know a few pensioners who are clamouring to go back to work as well, both worked full time before the lockdown.


  • #264
    fr336
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,179 ✭✭✭✭fr336


    Spencer Brown wrote: »
    You sir are a complete bellend

    Truth hurts eh


  • #265
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,621 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    fr336 wrote: »
    We're in April, Fintan. 3 and a half weeks of lockdown. Summer still all to play for if it's done properly. But the mindset of "go go go get whole economy back up now now now" is precisely one of the reasons there may be more extensions.

    Are you a teacher who is including 2 weeks holiday at easter not part of lockdown?


  • #266
    growleaves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,978 ✭✭✭growleaves


    But the mindset of "go go go get whole economy back up now now now" is precisely one of the reasons there may be more extensions.

    Do the microbes feed on incorrect thoughts? I haven't got the sense that the anti-lockdown brigade are actively breaking the rules, seems to be just randomers doing that if anyone is.


  • #267
    Spencer Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 268 ✭✭Spencer Brown


    fr336 wrote: »
    Truth hurts eh

    You tell me


  • #268
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,121 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    Ironically (apart from those who need care settings) the cocooning group in the main are the healthy and wealthy ones who will sustain the economy in the long run.

    Was listening (for about five minutes) to a lady on Joe Duffy, yes I know, but I can now that am wfh. And she was in Portland, Seattle, Lahinch and TallaghtCante in Spain over the last six months.

    They are our future. The rest of us are in debt. We need to keep them alive to pay for all this. Forget this at your peril.


  • #269
    bettyoleary
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 400 ✭✭bettyoleary


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    According to Dr Murcus Brun yes. He was apointed to the medical council and resigned. Claiming lockdowns were useless in Ireland

    But that wasn't the reason he resigned was it? I thought he resigned because of the way the un elected govt dealt with the elderly of our country or didn't deal with them to be exact:confused:


  • #270
    fr336
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,179 ✭✭✭✭fr336


    Spencer Brown wrote: »
    You tell me

    So you want everything back to normal in a rush? No restrictions at all, no cautions...just lazy, no thought, back to the way things were? Genius!


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  • #271
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,136 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    fr336 wrote: »
    Just see how things go. Because that's all you can do. It could be lifted next week if someone came up with some genius idea or there was a clear fall in transmission and potential transmission. With robust laws in place to enforce social distancing restrictions, everyone wearing masks etc. To just say "let's take our chances" is not a strategy.

    See how things go, you cant tell businesses sure wait and see there how it goes.


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