Covid19 Part XVI- 21,983 in ROI (1,339 deaths) 3,881 in NI (404 deaths)(05/05)Read OP

ek motor · 22-04-2020 04:23PM

Face masks to become compulsory in Germany

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-52382196

the.red.baron · 22-04-2020 04:23PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

A huge effort was made at borders to control foot and mouth including if I remember banning farmers from moving animals in and out of the country and across the NI border.

Much more than the leaflets handed out in Dublin airport wouldn't you say?

Lets be honest, our efforts at containment and/or eradication were a bit of a joke. We took foot and mouth far more seriously.

there is a VAAAACCCINE for this

tobefrank321 · 22-04-2020 04:23PM

the.red.baron wrote: »

VAAAAACINE

BURNING

What are you on about?

There was little or no burning here. You are confusing us with the UK where burning was widespread.

As for a vaccine, I think you need to educate yourself on that. It was never used.

The use of a vaccine to halt the spread of the disease was repeatedly considered during the outbreak, but the government never decided to use it after pressure from the National Farmers Union. Although the vaccine was believed to be effective, export rules would prevent the export of British livestock in the future, and it was decided that this was too great a price to pay

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_United_Kingdom_foot-and-mouth_outbreak

so you were wrong on both counts

tobefrank321 · 22-04-2020 04:24PM

the.red.baron wrote: »

there is a VAAAACCCINE for this

THERE WAS NO VACCINE USED IN 2001.

LETS ALL TYPE IN CAPS.

22-04-2020 04:24PM

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »

So I guess I must be living in an alternate universe then... one where our government didn't drop the ball on so many aspects of this crisis...

- We're in the top 10 deaths per million worldwide.
- Zero action on things like Cheltenham
- Reluctance to cancel events like paddy's day - until they were literally forced to do so.
- Our CMO advising no need to stop visitors to nursing homes - advice the nursing homes association thankfully recognised as bullsh*t and ignored it.
- Practically nothing done to proactively protect nursing homes, despite being forewarned about this as a huge problem in Italy (You don't need previous experience with a pandemic - when you literally have a country on the same continent giving you sound advice - which you then completely ignore)
- Zero quarantining of people coming into the country through our borders or returning citizens.
- The disgraceful situation with PPE.
- The absolute shambles that is our testing regime.

And on... and on... and on... the list of incompetencies is growing quite long at this point.

But you keep being a cheerleader for these muppets... you've plenty of company in this country unfortunately!

If people don't get called out for doing a bad job or screwing things up, how can any of us expect better standards in this country going forward? We won't get better leaders, by ignoring their mistakes and pretending they're doing a great job... that's the road that always leads to yet more mediocrity and underachievement.

Nonsense:
1.Deaths per million is irrelevant until all is done. Multiple different methods of reporting and we appear to be going to great lengths not to miss anyone compared to most other countries
2.Since when is Cheltenham in Ireland
3. Was Paddy's day cancelled? It was always known that these things had to be done at the appropriate time - move too early and we just move the problem by a couple of months but lose all goodwill
4. Nursing home visits - a mistake
5. PPE - China shut down for 2 months resulting in a global interruption to supply. We purchased large amounts when we could and got as much as we could. UK still cant get supply sorted
6. There is something called personal responsibility - self isolate, dont go to work sick, etc etc...."but but but the goberment never told me exactly what to do in my exact situation"
7. Rolling out a massive testing regime on the scale required from virtually zero is not a walk in the park. We have tested more per million than most countries

growleaves · 22-04-2020 04:25PM

hmmm wrote: »

During foot and mouth we culled affected animals. We also sent army snipers to eliminate all deer from the Cooley peninsula.

Are you advocating a similar approach for this virus?!

The drastic response to foot and mouth involving the unnecessary slaughter of millions of healthy cattle and sheep leading to the destruction of many farmers' livelihoods was based on Dr. Neil Ferguson's models which turned out to have, er, hugely over-estimated numbers.

the.red.baron · 22-04-2020 04:29PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

THERE WAS NO VACCINE USED IN 2001.

LETS ALL TYPE IN CAPS.

HOW CAN THEY CHOOSE NOT TO USE A VAACINE THAT DOESN'T EXIST

THE UK CONTROLLED IT NOT US

IF THEY HADN'T WE WOULD HAVE GOTTEN IT TOO

Kermit.de.frog · 22-04-2020 04:29PM

ek motor wrote: »

Face masks to become compulsory in Germany

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-52382196

But they don't work as we were told over and over again for the last two months.

Anyone who mentioned it were jumped down the throat of in indignation.

timmy_mallet · 22-04-2020 04:30PM

growleaves wrote: »

The drastic response to foot and mouth involving the unnecessary slaughter of millions of healthy cattle and sheep leading to the destruction of many farmers' livelihoods was based on Dr. Neil Ferguson's models which turned out to have, er, hugely over-estimated numbers.

Is Ferguson still around?

quokula · 22-04-2020 04:30PM

igCorcaigh wrote: »

https://twitter.com/GabrielScally/status/1252949950289371137?s=19

Nonsense, our government is a failure. We should have towed the island to the South Pacific and then set fire to anyone who might potentially be infected.

Andrew00 · 22-04-2020 04:33PM

The lockdown here is over. Roads are flat out, traffic. Shops are packed like supervalu and local petrol stations. People not obliging to social distancing

podgeandrodge · 22-04-2020 04:33PM

igCorcaigh wrote: »

https://twitter.com/GabrielScally/status/1252949950289371137?s=19

Per above: Ireland is an 'experiment' in #coronavirus response. N Ireland has followed Whitehall approach. Rep of Ireland has followed @WHO advice. The death rate for #COVID19 deaths in hospital (and for all COVID deaths) is 50% higher in Northern Ireland.

Is it arguable though that this is only at a point in time, the real question will be what the total death rate is at the end? If they adopted the UK approach then it had to have more deaths in the shorter term no?

BanditLuke · 22-04-2020 04:34PM

Andrew00 wrote: »

The lockdown here is over. Roads are flat out, traffic. Shops are packed like supervalu and local petrol stations. People not obliging to social distancing

Not around here. D14

the.red.baron · 22-04-2020 04:34PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

THERE WAS NO VACCINE USED IN 2001.

LETS ALL TYPE IN CAPS.

Yes they chose to burn a load of animals to keep beef exports alive

tobefrank321 · 22-04-2020 04:35PM

growleaves wrote: »

The drastic response to foot and mouth involving the unnecessary slaughter of millions of healthy cattle and sheep leading to the destruction of many farmers' livelihoods was based on Dr. Neil Ferguson's models which turned out to have, er, hugely over-estimated numbers.

Not sure what relevance mass burning in the UK has to Ireland where I don't believe we burned any carcasses.

We very effectively kept foot and mouth out of here, and it was only a few smugglers who tried to bring it in.

joe_99 · 22-04-2020 04:35PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Nonsense:
1.Deaths per million is irrelevant until all is done. Multiple different methods of reporting and we appear to be going to great lengths not to miss anyone compared to most other countries
2.Since when is Cheltenham in Ireland
3. Was Paddy's day cancelled? It was always known that these things had to be done at the appropriate time - move too early and we just move the problem by a couple of months but lose all goodwill
4. Nursing home visits - a mistake
5. PPE - China shut down for 2 months resulting in a global interruption to supply. We purchased large amounts when we could and got as much as we could. UK still cant get supply sorted
6. There is something called personal responsibility - self isolate, dont go to work sick, etc etc...."but but but the goberment never told me exactly what to do in my exact situation"
7. Rolling out a massive testing regime on the scale required from virtually zero is not a walk in the park. We have tested more per million than most countries

Fair play to you. Thanks for responding. I didn't have in me.

is_that_so · 22-04-2020 04:36PM

Andrew00 wrote: »

The lockdown here is over. Roads are flat out, traffic. Shops are packed like supervalu and local petrol stations. People not obliging to social distancing

There's always at least one post a day like that. Probably more people about but not seeing this at all.

El Weirdo · 22-04-2020 04:37PM

joe_99 wrote: »

Fair play to you. Thanks for responding. I didn't have in me.

I'd still love to know what exactly the Irish government was supposed to do about Cheltenham?

the.red.baron · 22-04-2020 04:37PM

Andrew00 wrote: »

The lockdown here is over. Roads are flat out, traffic. Shops are packed like supervalu and local petrol stations. People not obliging to social distancing

have a look at this

https://www.tiitraffic.ie/cams/

cnocbui · 22-04-2020 04:38PM

Tony EH wrote: »

Maybe she was a stupid cunt when she was younger as well.

You probably should have pointed out to her that your seriousness regarding Covid-19 transmission was mainly for her benefit, as people of her age group are in the firing line.

Unfortunately, there's no cure for stupid. So, I wouldn't be taking that "auld one's" remark too seriously. Perhaps one day she'll understand what you were doing and why you were doing it.

I doubt it would make a difference to her, but you could have pointed out the virus seems to remain viable in the air for up to 16 hours and 185,000 people are dead so far.

BanditLuke · 22-04-2020 04:38PM

Read an article earlier from a footballer in Italy think it was Lukaku from Inter Milan. He's convinced the whole first team squad was suffering from Covid19 at the end of December.

joe_99 · 22-04-2020 04:38PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

But they don't work as we were told over and over again for the last two months.

Anyone who mentioned it were jumped down the throat of in indignation.

Agreed. Wearing face masks helping was obvious from the start. But now they must be made compulsory if we want to open up again.

tobefrank321 · 22-04-2020 04:38PM

the.red.baron wrote: »

Yes they chose to burn a load of animals to keep beef exports alive

Yep and that was in the UK. We're talking about Ireland.

Its fairly obvious foot and mouth was treated far more seriously.

Anyways this is only going to derail the thread so I'll leave it at that. The main point is we implemented strict border controls to keep out foot and mouth, which worked.

With covid 19, the government and CMO never thought it would come here at any significant level and when it did come, they were forever catching up after that.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 22-04-2020 04:39PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

As others have pointed out we attempted to eradicate foot and mouth, but made zero effort to eradicate covid 19. Priorities couldn't be clearer.

Do you have any idea how difficult disease eradication is? It's only been done twice and those could even reemerge. And they were known quantities.

You think we should have eradicated a virus that we didn't even know existed six months ago?

BanditLuke · 22-04-2020 04:40PM

is_that_so wrote: »

There's always at least one post a day like that. Probably more people about but not seeing this at all.

It's just not true. Supervalu have someone at the door of all their shops restricting numbers.

is_that_so · 22-04-2020 04:40PM

joe_99 wrote: »

Agreed. Wearing face masks helping was obvious from the start. But now they must be made compulsory if we want to open up again.

I think this is something we are very unlikely to see. It's not advice they support.

joe_99 · 22-04-2020 04:40PM

El Weirdo wrote: »

I'd still love to know what exactly the Irish government was supposed to do about Cheltenham?

Exactly. There were probably over a hundred flights a day coming in from the UK at that point. All full. How do you identify Cheltenham goers from that.

the.red.baron · 22-04-2020 04:41PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Not sure what relevance mass burning in the UK has to Ireland where I don't believe we burned any carcasses.

We very effectively kept foot and mouth out of here, and it was only a few smugglers who tried to bring it in.

who was trying to bring it in is the question

if china has stopped the coronavirus getting out would it have been down to the great job we did stopping it getting in

do you think it was down to disinfection mats?

is_that_so · 22-04-2020 04:42PM

BanditLuke wrote: »

It's just not true. Supervalu have someone at the door of all their shops restricting numbers.

I don't doubt it, just like my local Tesco. I think people see what irritates or bothers them most and magnify it.

the.red.baron · 22-04-2020 04:42PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Yep and that was in the UK. We're talking about Ireland.

Its fairly obvious foot and mouth was treated far more seriously.

Anyways this is only going to derail the thread so I'll leave it at that. The main point is we implemented strict border controls to keep out foot and mouth, which worked.

With covid 19, the government and CMO never thought it would come here at any significant level and when it did come, they were forever catching up after that.

yes they took it very seriously in the uk

here we sat on our hands until they got it under control

Covid19 Part XVI- 21,983 in ROI (1,339 deaths) 3,881 in NI (404 deaths)(05/05)Read OP

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