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Covid19 Part XVI- 21,983 in ROI (1,339 deaths) 3,881 in NI (404 deaths)(05/05)Read OP

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  • #1292
    Bsharp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 236 ✭✭Bsharp


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Allowing someone to Define, Alter and Change a metric which they are effectively being judged by is a failure in itself.

    As sad as the deaths are etc. They are the only thing which we have to use as a measure of how well the HSE and the government is responding.

    All of the confusion is totally predictable. Look at bankers and financial institutions.

    They need to be clearly defined and reported. They won't as they are politically loaded.

    Clearly defined and reported is great if you've the systems in place to do it. The banks are still a mess in how they manage information. It doesn't have to be duplicity or political to give the poor results we're seeing.

    At a hospital, regional and even HSE level it makes no sense to under report on the crisis. Our government system allocates resources based on perceived need at every level, hospitals and hospital departments are no different. So a hospital doesn't get PPE unless they need it more than another hospital.

    I don't think this about politics, I think it's a demonstration of how backwards all our public systems are.


  • #1293
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,218 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    It's the 5G

    https://twitter.com/CoronavirusInf7/status/1252656382677000202


  • #1294
    SleetAndSnow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,755 ✭✭✭SleetAndSnow


    Our recovered rate just got added to Worldometers, tipped the recovered/death rate back to 80/20 instead of 79/21.


  • #1295
    blackcard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,338 ✭✭✭blackcard


    Glenomra wrote: »
    Apart from deaths the pattern is very positive. Time to get back towards some sense of normality.

    Doctor to patient.

    'I have some fantastic news for you. Of those 10 serious diseases you have, you are going to make a complete recovery from 9 of those.

    The other one is fatal. But hey, a lot of good news for you'
    Puts out hand for high five.


  • #1296
    wakka12
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    Deaths in New York at just under 20,000 now


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  • #1297
    fr336
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    You know how lots of people are asymptomatic? Is this because these people have such strong immune systems the virus just doesn't register or is it not just about the immune system it's about luck of the draw when it comes to genes etc?


  • #1298
    fr336
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    wakka12 wrote: »
    Deaths in New York at just under 20,000 now

    Absolutely horrific. I thought the UK was doing bad with approaching 20,000 deaths and 65 million population but New York population is what 8 million? How did this happen?


  • #1299
    wadacrack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    fr336 wrote: »
    You know how lots of people are asymptomatic? Is this because these people have such strong immune systems the virus just doesn't register or is it not just about the immune system it's about luck of the draw when it comes to genes etc?

    Could be viral load and also a different strain of Covid 19. According to scientists their have been many mutations of the virus


  • #1300
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    fr336 wrote: »
    You know how lots of people are asymptomatic? Is this because these people have such strong immune systems the virus just doesn't register or is it not just about the immune system it's about luck of the draw when it comes to genes etc?

    Seems to just be luck of the draw. There was as high a proportion of people in their 60s, 70s and 80s on the diamond princess ship who were asymptomatic as people in their 20s and 30s which was very surprising


  • #1301
    wakka12
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    fr336 wrote: »
    Absolutely horrific. I thought the UK was doing bad with approaching 20,000 deaths and 65 million population but New York population is what 8 million? How did this happen?

    Its for all of New York state, which is a population of 19.5 million. Still enormous though


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  • #1302
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,218 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    wakka12 wrote: »
    Its for all of New York state, which is a population of 19.5 million. Still enormous though

    Quite a few other states with notable upticks today, be interesting to see the end of day figures.


  • #1303
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,977 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Nobody talking about how over half of tested cases have recovered?

    https://jrnl.ie/5080390


  • #1304
    New Home
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    hmmm wrote: »
    Yes. It's painful listening to the "we should all be wearing masks!" crowd go on as if they've discovered some brilliant breakthrough. We know that masks, worn properly, would reduce spread. But advising the public to wear them is not so simple, and the worry about taking PPE away from healthcare workers is number one on the list of things to be concerned about.
    Andrew00 wrote: »
    Give a mask to everyone in Ireland and make it mandatory to wear one for foreseeable future.

    That'll help so much I have no doubt
    MipMap wrote: »
    The PPE we got delivered recently was transported by Army Trucks to the HSE.

    How could Joe public affect that? This "affecting the demand" argument simply doesn't add up. Virtually every country in the world with the exception of Ireand, UK and maybe Sweden are either recommending they be worn or ordering it. The worldwide demand from populations is already there. Ireland's 5m people are not going to make any difference and Chinese suppliers will always service the 20 million units order from the health service before they send me a pack of 10.

    1. "Masks aren't good enough and won't help": masks DO help, they're a damn sight better than nothing at all.
    2. "But peope don't know how to use them": if only there were a way of broadcasting instructions in video format to all the nation on a regular basis...
    3. "The general public using masks would have deflected the supplies away from the hospitals and the nursing homes": I doubt your hospital or nursing home get their supplies from your chemist/hardware, if they did I'd be even more worried than I am now. I know, the HSE supplied GPs with something like 4 masks each and told them to go buy more if they needed them... good move, that. Still, masks do protect against infection: fewer infections = fewer people hospitalised = fewer masks needed by HCW. It also doesn't take into account the fact that people might have had some at home already, or could have made their own in good time.
    is_that_so wrote: »
    Young one in the local shop put sanitiser on her gloves!

    They do that in hospitals, too.


  • #1305
    fr336
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    wakka12 wrote: »
    Seems to just be luck of the draw. There was as high a proportion of people in their 60s, 70s and 80s on the diamond princess ship who were asymptomatic as people in their 20s and 30s which was very surprising

    That is very surprising, and reassuring for those of us with older relatives (all of us then). That ship was a very good case study.


  • #1306
    Rob A. Bank
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    Sam Russell wrote: »

      Not here. It is DEES DAT and DOSE in some parts.

      :)

      Less spread of the droplets and aerosols then... There is a research paper in examining Covid spread in the Dees Dat and Dose regions.

      ;)


    1. #1307
      Jim_Hodge
      Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,163 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


      VinLieger wrote: »
      Nobody talking about how over half of tested cases have recovered?

      https://jrnl.ie/5080390

      Read back a few posts perhaps.


    2. #1308
      coastwatch
      Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 909 ✭✭✭coastwatch


      fr336 wrote: »
      You know how lots of people are asymptomatic? Is this because these people have such strong immune systems the virus just doesn't register or is it not just about the immune system it's about luck of the draw when it comes to genes etc?

      The severity of the illness seems to depend on whether it remains in the upper respiratory airways, mouth, nose, throat, or moves to the lungs after 7-10 days, causing pneumonia.


    3. #1309
      Kermit.de.frog
      Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,218 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


      New Jersey reports 379 new deaths, the state's highest figure so far.


    4. #1310
      fr336
      Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,179 ✭✭✭✭fr336


      coastwatch wrote: »
      The severity of the illness seems to depend on whether it remains in the upper respiratory airways, mouth, nose, throat, or moves to the lungs after 7-10 days, causing pneumonia.

      Any ideas on what causes it to move to the lungs? Or too early to know?


    5. #1311
      Hobgoblin11
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      Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
      New Jersey reports 379 new deaths, the state's highest figure so far.

      I would have thought all states in the US would have their own curve , surprising that some are reopening without having been up and down a curve , Georgia I believe is one, they seem to be prematurely opening

      Dundalk, Co. Louth



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    7. #1312
      coastwatch
      Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 909 ✭✭✭coastwatch


      fr336 wrote: »
      Any ideas on what causes it to move to the lungs? Or too early to know?

      No idea, but may be thats where luck plays some part.


    8. #1313
      Furez
      Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 128 ✭✭Furez


      Whilst I know they dont make any difference to myself or the course of this outbreak. I did like these maps.


    9. #1314
      fr336
      Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,179 ✭✭✭✭fr336


      coastwatch wrote: »
      No idea, but may be thats where luck plays some part.

      Yeah I read something the other day about you needing to have a certain type of cell for the virus to latch onto and infect you but only saw it once so maybe not widely agreed with.


    10. #1315
      Kermit.de.frog
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      Michigan reports 232 new deaths, it's highest figure so far.

      I think along with New Jersey that already brings the US death toll for today over 2,000.


    11. #1316
      cj maxx
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      fr336 wrote: »
      Absolutely horrific. I thought the UK was doing bad with approaching 20,000 deaths and 65 million population but New York population is what 8 million? How did this happen?

      New York state I would have thought ?
      Only 19.5 million in NYS.
      Far lower than I thought


    12. #1317
      Rob A. Bank
      Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭Rob A. Bank


      fr336 wrote: »
      You know how lots of people are asymptomatic? Is this because these people have such strong immune systems the virus just doesn't register or is it not just about the immune system it's about luck of the draw when it comes to genes etc?

      This recent review from Cornell Medical addresses some of the issues, but the bottom line is that no one really knows yet because the virus is so new to science.


    13. #1318
      joe_99
      Closed Accounts Posts: 763 ✭✭✭joe_99


      I see we have moved on the US numbers now. I guess positive numbers produce less discussion.

      Great to see the positive trends continuing again here today.
      Credit to all involved in getting us to this point.


    14. #1319
      Hmmzis
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      coastwatch wrote: »
      The severity of the illness seems to depend on whether it remains in the upper respiratory airways, mouth, nose, throat, or moves to the lungs after 7-10 days, causing pneumonia.

      Even in mild cases the virus will be in the victims lungs. So far it's not quite clear why most get no symptoms at all and some get a severe and even fatal desease.

      The more severe cases do have much, much higher viral loads, but while there is a clear correlation for that, the cause for the differing viral loads is not yet understood well. It could be initial viral loads are improtant, could be certain drugs (some steriods aparently have a bad effect on outcomes), could just be some quirks in the victims angiotensin system (genetics), maybe some cross protection from the Common Cold coronaviruses antibodies, maybe a combination of any of the above or something else entirely. Lots of papers in pre-print waiting to be reviewed and disected.

      At the moment the answer is - nobody knows.


    15. #1320
      wakka12
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      Huge amount of deaths in the Detroit area, it is by far the most affected single urban area in the US after NYC.
      As of yesterday evening 2100 deaths in Detroit metro area, which has a population of around 4.3 million.An additional 232 more deaths today, almost all deaths in the state of Michigan appear to be occurring in the Detroit area. Wonder if poverty/poor health is having a big effect there


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    17. #1321
      OscarMIlde
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      is_that_so wrote: »
      Young one in the local shop put sanitiser on her gloves!

      I do that because I don't want to contaminate any surfaces I touch. Constantly washing my hands/using hand sanitiser at work, and they're now dry and cracked. So I wear gloves while shopping to give my hands a break/protect them since my cracked skin is no longer a barrier. Hand sanitiser is for the benefit of other people.


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