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unkel · 21-04-2020 09:41AM

Musk mentioned the 220V socket, not me!

But yeah, there would be many more 110V sockets in US homes than 220V sockets I'd say.

ELM327 · 21-04-2020 10:01AM

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

you mean 110V??

Dryer outlets are 2 phase 110v - ie 220v net

AndyBoBandy · 21-04-2020 10:03AM

So that's how they get the 220 then, on a double phase?

ELM327 · 21-04-2020 10:29AM

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

So that's how they get the 220 then, on a double phase?

A crude 2 phase.

Often just 2 110/120v wires combined (although some more modern houses have a dedicated incoming 240v feed apparently)

110/120v is ridiculous!

carloscorreia · 21-04-2020 02:03PM

unkel wrote: »

I'm not disputing it's possible. Just saying that it would be very uncommon for any home anywhere, be it in Germany or the USA or wherever, to actually have a 220V socket that can provide 22kW

Out of interest, what car does Musk drive himself as his daily driver? I know he took delivery of his McLaren F1 when he was only in his 20s probably paid for with some PayPal earnings

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3tlVE_QXm4

He crashed the F1 :eek:
https://drivetribe.com/p/heres-how-elon-musk-crashed-his-TXtEwESmRZ6AMrNDETLvuw?iid=fpml4dyEQoatMXx3_Axd6Q

I think I read somewhere he normally drives a S P100DL or X when he is with the kids

bk · 21-04-2020 05:53PM

carloscorreia wrote: »

I think I read somewhere he normally drives a S P100DL or X when he is with the kids

Interestingly the Model S he drives has the upgraded Raven drive train. He has also been regularly seen driving the Cybertruck now.

carloscorreia · 21-04-2020 07:16PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjZf9sgdDKc

thos · 28-04-2020 05:17PM

Anyone else get 'Upgrades' now appearing in the app? Mine never showed on the account or app, was it just me or has something changed?

mrbongo · 28-04-2020 05:40PM

thos wrote: »

Anyone else get 'Upgrades' now appearing in the app? Mine never showed on the account or app, was it just me or has something changed?

me, me, me! It was only on the web page before, but now I see FSD option (I'm an M3 owner).

unkel · 28-04-2020 06:45PM

Must be a Model 3 thing? Nothing changed for me. I already have all of the eligible upgrades (read: none)

thos · 28-04-2020 07:04PM

unkel wrote: »

Must be a Model 3 thing? Nothing changed for me. I already have all of the eligible upgrades (read: none)

Nope, appeared on my X

unkel · 28-04-2020 07:28PM

FSD upgrade? How much does Musk want for that?

btkm8unsl0w5r4 · 28-04-2020 07:30PM

unkel wrote: »

FSD upgrade? How much does Musk want for that?

6500 euro.....eek.

AndyBoBandy · 28-04-2020 07:46PM

yeah when it can do a lot lot more, then I'll consider it... but if that doesn't happen in the planned ownership of my car ~10-15 years, it'll wait til the follow up car is purchased.

(I know that when it can do a lot lot more, it will also most likely cost a lot lot more).

mrbongo · 28-04-2020 08:01PM

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

yeah when it can do a lot lot more, then I'll consider it... but if that doesn't happen in the planned ownership of my car ~10-15 years, it'll wait til the follow up car is purchased.

(I know that when it can do a lot lot more, it will also most likely cost a lot lot more).

Part of the reason it can't do more is European regulations that severely hampers it. It still might not be worth 6,500 euro but today it could do a lot more if enabled if EU law would allow it.

moggins7 · 29-04-2020 07:39AM

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

yeah when it can do a lot lot more, then I'll consider it... but if that doesn't happen in the planned ownership of my car ~10-15 years, it'll wait til the follow up car is purchased.

(I know that when it can do a lot lot more, it will also most likely cost a lot lot more).

Isn't FSD linked to your account and not the car itself?

AndyBoBandy · 29-04-2020 07:53AM

moggins7 wrote: »

Isn't FSD linked to your account and not the car itself?

I don't believe so. This came up on another thread, and it's linked to the car.

And if Tesla ever get the car back from you as a trade in, they can remove it and sell the car on with no FSD is they so choose.

AndyBoBandy · 29-04-2020 07:55AM

mrbongo wrote: »

Part of the reason it can't do more is European regulations that severely hampers it. It still might not be worth 6,500 euro but today it could do a lot more if enabled if EU law would allow it.

I guess that's more so what I was getting at, not just teh capability of the car, but the regulations that allow it to FSD.

The reason it is/was never a viable option for me with the current car is I can't see it being legislated for in EU/Ireland in the lifetime of my current car.

btkm8unsl0w5r4 · 29-04-2020 08:12AM

The vids I watch of american cars do nothing to convince me FSD is worth that sort of money. Summon is a gimmick and totally nerfed in Europe. Navigate on autopilot is a gimmick and saves you about 2 seconds of work. Driving on city streets is miles off. I look at the visualisations and its cannot even read the lights properly at the moment. Autopark is a bit unreliable.

6500 euro is a lot of dosh.

1. 2 X Mazda Mx5's.
2. A really nice watch.
3. A nice holiday.
4. 6500 barrels of oil.
5. Gym membership for 21 years.

AndyBoBandy · 29-04-2020 08:33AM

Daniel Round Metronome wrote: »

6500 euro is a lot of dosh.

1. 2 X Mazda Mx5's.
2. A really nice watch.
3. A nice holiday.
4. 6500 barrels of oil.
5. Gym membership for 21 years.

or a 2011 Nissan Leaf with enough left over to charge it for about 10 years.....

thos · 29-04-2020 09:21AM

Hard to compare different manufacturers right now, but these type of options on new cars are not cheap anyway.

At the moment Tesla are saying €6500 for 'Full Self Driving' includes
- Navigate on Autopilot
- Autopark
- Smart Summon
- Traffic Aware Cruise Control
Coming soon is traffic lights, stop signs, and automatic driving on city streets

Quick look at Mercedes S Class options (if we're talking Model S comparison)
- Driving Assistance package, €4629
( this seems to cover most of the adaptive cruise, steering, lane changing
- Parking Package, €1913, looks like AutoPark equiv
Total €6542

Not a million miles away.

Not sure what the nearest comparative is for Model 3 with this type of tech, likely to be cheaper.

Boscoirl · 29-04-2020 09:27AM

See an M3 trying to autopark at work most mornings, its cumbersome and slow and looks like it is going to hit the car beside it everytime (hope its FSD doing the work, and not the driver

cos i am pretty sure he posts here

)

unkel · 29-04-2020 09:30AM

I've seen the demos of smart summon and autopark as is. To be honest I was not impressed by it. At all. If they can't get this right, then by simple deduction they must be pretty far off still with the real "self driving". I do appreciate that they have to be extra careful with these as there is no driver in the car

If you have a spare USD6500 and want to support Tesla, I suggest you buy a few TSLA shares instead of FSD

ELM327 · 29-04-2020 09:39AM

I have autopark in my S (came with EAP) and I have tried it a couple of times... never again! It's crap.

Lumen · 29-04-2020 10:06AM

The difference between Tesla FSD and real autonomy is the difference between supervising an extremely nervous learner driver and sitting in the back of a limo.

thos · 29-04-2020 10:27AM

Autopark is ok, it works. Not much different to other self parking systems I've used.

I've done parallel park in the middle of Skerries, and to be fair it worked pretty well. Lots of traffic around, tight enough space (for a cruise ship sized Model X), certainly more of the 'slow and steady', but parked in one fluid movement. Reverse parking, where it needs to straighten and correct is certainly a little more cumbersome, and the slow speed seems to drag it out longer.

slave1 · 29-04-2020 10:45AM

Can you autopark reverse autopark while out of the car via the App?

thos · 29-04-2020 10:49AM

slave1 wrote: »

Can you autopark reverse autopark while out of the car via the App?

There is a way to double press P on the stalk, and get out of the car.
Not enabled in Ireland/EU from what I know.
It's mostly a Summon, back / forward motion, so could be initiated from the App as standard Summon, but not a back/forward reverse manoeuvre from what I know.

markpb · 29-04-2020 11:19AM

ELM327 wrote: »

I have autopark in my S (came with EAP) and I have tried it a couple of times... never again! It's crap.

I've used it a few times and it's wildly inconsistent. Occasionally it works beautifully. Sometimes I'm not confident it's not going to crash and I take over. Mostly it lives in blissful ignorance that there's a parking space nearby or that I might want to go to it.

thos · 29-04-2020 11:28AM

markpb wrote: »

I've used it a few times and it's wildly inconsistent. Occasionally it works beautifully. Sometimes I'm not confident it's not going to crash and I take over. Mostly it lives in blissful ignorance that there's a parking space nearby or that I might want to go to it.

Mine is the opposite, it sees parking spaces, where there is absolutely none.

A bit like the cones it now sees ... everywhere .. everything is a cone.

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