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jacothelad · 20-04-2020 08:40AM

The Entrepreneurial spirit is alive and well .....:D:D:D

http://https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/pub-forced-to-suspend-pint-delivery-service-after-claims-of-law-breach-39139698.html

20-04-2020 10:43AM

The percentage of people creepily staring out windows as sharply gone up

Buer · 20-04-2020 10:54AM

Deleted User wrote: »

The percentage of people creepily staring out windows as sharply gone up

A neighbour near me (who is extremely friendly but in an overbearing and invasive way) has set up a camera inside his living room window. It's not like a permanent addition like a mounted security camera. Just stuck a camera sitting on the window sill to watch people go past.

20-04-2020 11:02AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The percentage of people creepily staring out windows as sharply gone up

https://youtu.be/BR3B8-DsXL8

troyzer · 20-04-2020 11:20AM

Lads, I've nearly completed Star Trek on Netflix.

And I'm one of the lucky few still working from home.

aloooof · 20-04-2020 12:06PM

The Last Dance up on Netflix from today, I think. Looking forward to watching that.

20-04-2020 12:23PM

troyzer wrote: »

Lads, I've nearly completed Star Trek on Netflix.

And I'm one of the lucky few still working from home.

Time well spent.

troyzer · 20-04-2020 12:27PM

Addison Yummy Fashion wrote: »

Time well spent.

Absolutely, I'm fretting about what to do when I'm done.

I'm not watching that Discovery ****e again.

Clegg · 20-04-2020 12:28PM

Have you watch Babylon 5, Troyzer?

Cut from the same cloth as Deep Space 9.

20-04-2020 12:37PM

troyzer wrote: »

Absolutely, I'm fretting about what to do when I'm done.

I'm not watching that Discovery ****e again.

I'd suggest Stargate next. And Battlestar Galactica after that.

troyzer · 20-04-2020 12:40PM

Clegg wrote: »

Have you watch Babylon 5, Troyzer?

Cut from the same cloth as Deep Space 9.

Addison Yummy Fashion wrote: »

I'd suggest Stargate next. And Battlestar Galactica after that.

I have the Orville to get through as well.

Plenty of space Sci-Fi to keep me going it seems.

Zzippy · 20-04-2020 02:02PM

MOD NOTE: The No Politics rule is temporarily amended for this thread only. Discussion of foreign politics only is permitted, as it relates to Covid 19. Discussion of any politics on the island of Ireland remains forbidden. This will be kept under review, and any messing will result in the total ban being reinstated.

kuang1 · 20-04-2020 02:03PM

Floodgates open.

FACECUTTR · 20-04-2020 02:05PM

The Expanse is very good if it has not been mentioned earlier.

troyzer · 20-04-2020 02:13PM

Zzippy wrote: »

MOD NOTE: The No Politics rule is temporarily amended for this thread only. Discussion of foreign politics only is permitted, as it relates to Covid 19. Discussion of any politics on the island of Ireland remains forbidden. This will be kept under review, and any messing will result in the total ban being reinstated.

What about Rockall?

Technically.......

errlloyd · 20-04-2020 02:55PM

Zzippy wrote: »

MOD NOTE: The No Politics rule is temporarily amended for this thread only. Discussion of foreign politics only is permitted, as it relates to Covid 19. Discussion of any politics on the island of Ireland remains forbidden. This will be kept under review, and any messing will result in the total ban being reinstated.

Appreciate this from the mods. I realise it could lead to some more work for you, but it is nice to discuss this stuff with this community - rather than in some of the wider threads....

Neil3030 · 20-04-2020 05:03PM

I'll kick things off with this very clever campaign ad by Biden:

https://twitter.com/politidope/status/1251609321353490433?s=12

Buer · 20-04-2020 05:10PM

If the Democrats are going to win, it's exactly how they're going to have to do it. They need to be prepared to fight dirty, get into a smear campaign and Biden is going to have to be able to do that in person, not just let his campaign team and marketing people throw it on television.

Neil3030 · 20-04-2020 05:54PM

What's the logical device here, can't think of the name of it. Basically, you say Trump mismanaged the crisis because he's China's lapdog. Trump will mainly defend the accusation that he's China's lapdog, not the fact that he mismanaged the crisis. So the latter belief spreads, unchallenged.

Trump did the exact same thing in 2016 with Clinton's emails. "Look, she's crooked, she keeps her emails on a separate server". All the effort went into defending the use of the email server, not defending her integrity. The belief that she was crooked accordingly spread unabated.

Is it a reverse strawman?

swiwi_ · 20-04-2020 06:07PM

Neil3030 wrote: »

I'll kick things off with this very clever campaign ad by Biden:

https://twitter.com/politidope/status/1251609321353490433?s=12

Your man needs to watch more ads is my take if he thinks it’s one of the best ads he’s ever seen. I’d be for Biden but he’d be wanting to keep those payments to Botox inc under wraps.

sydthebeat · 20-04-2020 06:14PM

Neil3030 wrote: »

What's the logical device here, can't think of the name of it. Basically, you say Trump mismanaged the crisis because he's China's lapdog. Trump will mainly defend the accusation that he's China's lapdog, not the fact that he mismanaged the crisis. So the latter belief spreads, unchallenged.

Trump did the exact same thing in 2016 with Clinton's emails. "Look, she's crooked, she keeps her emails on a separate server". All the effort went into defending the use of the email server, not defending her integrity. The belief that she was crooked accordingly spread unabated.

Is it a reverse strawman?

Its along the line lines of "when did you stop beating your wife"???

They are "loaded" arguments

20-04-2020 06:23PM

Neil3030 wrote: »

What's the logical device here, can't think of the name of it. Basically, you say Trump mismanaged the crisis because he's China's lapdog. Trump will mainly defend the accusation that he's China's lapdog, not the fact that he mismanaged the crisis. So the latter belief spreads, unchallenged.

Trump did the exact same thing in 2016 with Clinton's emails. "Look, she's crooked, she keeps her emails on a separate server". All the effort went into defending the use of the email server, not defending her integrity. The belief that she was crooked accordingly spread unabated.

Is it a reverse strawman?

It's more simple than that. The trump administration's strategy to deal with Covid19 has nothing to do with healthcare and life saving. They aren't capable or particularly interested.

Instead they are aiming to distract and deflect. Distract with China antagonism and deflect by saying it's the WHO's fault.

Highlighting Trumps rhetoric towards China throughout January and February will mean that anyone searching or reading about what Trump is saying will run into ads and content like that produced by Biden.

They aren't attacking Trump - they are attacking his excuses.

All this aside, I think if there is a free and relatively fair election in November then Trump is going to get beaten badly. He has no consistent trends within swing states that suggest a good election for him, he is in a weaker position than he was in 2016. Recent elections and by-elections have trended blue.

If it's not a free and fair election then America is going to have a pretty serious crisis to deal with.

If he is freely elected again then I think the writing is on the wall for human kind. If the most wealthy and powerful are going to be so utterly self destructive then I see no avenue for a successful reversal of the climate catastrophe. I'd honestly start to more seriously think about telling my kids to forget about having families themselves.

swiwi_ · 20-04-2020 06:35PM

Deleted User wrote: »

It's more simple than that. The trump administration's strategy to deal with Covid19 has nothing to do with healthcare and life saving. They aren't capable or particularly interested.

Instead they are aiming to distract and deflect. Distract with China antagonism and deflect by saying it's the WHO's fault.

Highlighting Trumps rhetoric towards China throughout January and February will mean that anyone searching or reading about what Trump is saying will run into ads and content like that produced by Biden.

They aren't attacking Trump - they are attacking his excuses.

All this aside, I think if there is a free and relatively fair election in November then Trump is going to get beaten badly. He has no consistent trends within swing states that suggest a good election for him, he is in a weaker position than he was in 2016. Recent elections and by-elections have trended blue.

If it's not a free and fair election then America is going to have a pretty serious crisis to deal with.

If he is freely elected again then I think the writing is on the wall for human kind. If the most wealthy and powerful are going to be so utterly self destructive then I see no avenue for a successful reversal of the climate catastrophe. I'd honestly start to more seriously think about telling my kids to forget about having families themselves.

The start of Biden's post "I'd sent US health observers to China".

(Umm, what if China says "no, thanks".

"Oh well, that's Ok because we are America and we do what we want, under the guise of looking after the world".)

Trump is terrible, but that kind of America-first proclamation is what makes all American politicians fairly unpalatable.

Neil3030 · 20-04-2020 06:45PM

swiwi_ wrote: »

The start of Biden's post "I'd sent US health observers to China".

(Umm, what if China says "no, thanks".

"Oh well, that's Ok because we are America and we do what we want, under the guise of looking after the world".)

Trump is terrible, but that kind of America-first proclamation is what makes all American politicians fairly unpalatable.

Biden didn't make the ad for people outside of the U.S., or even people in the U.S. who dislike Trump.

Neil3030 · 20-04-2020 06:50PM

Deleted User wrote: »

It's more simple than that. The trump administration's strategy to deal with Covid19 has nothing to do with healthcare and life saving. They aren't capable or particularly interested.

Instead they are aiming to distract and deflect. Distract with China antagonism and deflect by saying it's the WHO's fault.

Highlighting Trumps rhetoric towards China throughout January and February will mean that anyone searching or reading about what Trump is saying will run into ads and content like that produced by Biden.

They aren't attacking Trump - they are attacking his excuses.

All this aside, I think if there is a free and relatively fair election in November then Trump is going to get beaten badly. He has no consistent trends within swing states that suggest a good election for him, he is in a weaker position than he was in 2016. Recent elections and by-elections have trended blue.

If it's not a free and fair election then America is going to have a pretty serious crisis to deal with.

If he is freely elected again then I think the writing is on the wall for human kind. If the most wealthy and powerful are going to be so utterly self destructive then I see no avenue for a successful reversal of the climate catastrophe. I'd honestly start to more seriously think about telling my kids to forget about having families themselves.

It can be both, of course. Disarm him of his favoured defense, but also distract him with a straw man and let the more important message spread.

20-04-2020 06:56PM

swiwi_ wrote: »

The start of Biden's post "I'd sent US health observers to China".

(Umm, what if China says "no, thanks".

"Oh well, that's Ok because we are America and we do what we want, under the guise of looking after the world".)

Trump is terrible, but that kind of America-first proclamation is what makes all American politicians fairly unpalatable.

The CDC has a long track record of getting into and being granted access to regional break outs and are often welcomed due to their testing and identification capabilities. Historically the CDC would be viewed as a spare life raft in a crisis.

When people talk about soft power this is the type of thing they are referring to. Trump has (for the foreseeable future) absolutely nuked the USA's ability to exercise that power constructively. Had the CDC gotten into Wuhan early who knows where things would be now for the world.

America used to stay in front of these kinds of catastrophe's because capable, switched on people were at the helm. With Trump in charge there is no safety net because the concept of one simply wouldn't occur to him and the money is better directed to shareholders.

Neil3030 · 20-04-2020 06:59PM

Deleted User wrote: »

The CDC has a long track record of getting into and being granted access to regional break outs and are often welcomed due to their testing and identification capabilities. Historically the CDC would be viewed as a spare life raft in a crisis.

When people talk about soft power this is the type of thing they are referring to. Trump has (for the foreseeable future) absolutely nuked the USA's ability to exercise that power constructively. Had the CDC gotten into Wuhan early who knows where things would be now for the world.

America used to stay in front of these kinds of catastrophe's because capable, switched on people were at the helm. With Trump in charge there is no safety net because the concept of one simply wouldn't occur to him and the money is better directed to shareholders.

The funny thing is, if the WHO were in China, the CDC were in China. Trump just wouldn't understand how the relationship works between his own federal agency and the WHO.

Panda Killa · 20-04-2020 07:10PM

I will state here.. right now... Trump will walk back into the Whitehouse.
I lived and worked in Louisiana for years...they love! him there...it's the same in all the southern states... you might get 1 dissenting voice in a hundred.. literally...my Facebook is a Trump victory calvacade... already ...and what hurts is they are correct

prawnsambo · 20-04-2020 07:18PM

Panda Killa wrote: »

I will state here.. right now... Trump will walk back into the Whitehouse.
I lived and worked in Louisiana for years...they love! him there...it's the same in all the southern states... you might get 1 dissenting voice in a hundred.. literally...my Facebook is a Trump victory calvacade... already ...and what hurts is they are correct

I'd hazard a guess that those cheerleaders don't include African-Americans. But the election will be won and lost in the swing states that got him over the line the last time. And they don't seem to be swinging that way now.

thomond2006 · 20-04-2020 07:24PM

So should I buy 1000 barrels of crude oil now?

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