Relaxation of restrictions

lazeedaisy · 20-04-2020 08:54AM

Idbatterim wrote: »

I mean people that most of the population have zero respect for, incapable of making decisions or planning. They expect us now basically to just stay as is, until a vaccine is available, they have said, without being as direct about it. They are kite flying to gauge public reaction.

They think they are being prudent, many are starting to realise, if they didn't before, how wreckless this bull**** is starting to become !

People having civil liberties removed by a few unelected people and already highly publicly risked figures, varadkar and harris the boy scouts, it's not going to end well.

I can work remotely, plan on getting out of here as soon as is reasonably possible and working from Spain etc if possible, being a prisoner here while other countries allow a semblance of normality ...

My brother lives in a small village in Spain, no wifi, and really strict measures for staying in, houses are on top of each other, you cant get out for a walk, he feels like a caged animal, did I mention NO WIFI

VonLuck · 20-04-2020 08:56AM

Kivaro wrote: »

Apparently, Alan Ahearne, who is an adviser to the Central Bank, wants us all to pay an extra €1 for a pint and a €10 Covid supplement for a meal when they start to relax the restrictions and pubs and restaurants eventually open up again.
This is a bad idea.

And probably an example of a rich person who is out of touch with reality adding further financial pain and punitive measures on the "regular folk".
More here.

A temporary measure to keep pubs and restaurants from closing down permanently. Seems reasonable to me.

Only worry is that it would drive up prices of food and drink in the long term.

drunkmonkey · 20-04-2020 08:56AM

JoeA3 wrote: »

Simon Harris is getting much too fond of the sound of his own voice imo. Why is he continually feeding the hacks in the likes of the Indo and the Journal sound bytes. He’s popping up everywhere.

There should be one clear message from the powers that be, fed to the national broadcaster and Harris should be keeping his bloody opinions to himself outside of that.

Isn't he in the at risk group, why isn't he staying at home. He's obviously not worried this is circulating in the community.

is_that_so · 20-04-2020 08:58AM

JRant wrote: »

It's quite simple for me. I don't want to be governed by a small number of unelected officials. Call old fashioned but a government should take responsibility for their actions and not continually deflect to some "higher power".

I also have a huge problem with how FG have communicated during this entire thing. Remember, schools/creches were closed with absolutely no warning for parents to try make alternative arrangements. Now we have the drip drip kite flying communication style that FG have perfected over the past few years. It leads to confusion, and is completely unhelpful to the rest of us in try to make some sort of arrangements for the next few months.

What we need are clear guidelines and metrics as to what can open, when it can open and why it may have to be rolled back. This is not complicated stuff and has surely been part of their strategic group meetings for at least a couple of weeks now. They were able to wrangle a policy document together with FF for forming a minority government in this time so I would assume they have some sort of a plan in place to start lifting restrictions. Otherwise, IMO it stinks of using a crisis to further the party than actually leading the country in these uncertain times.

Schools did not close with no warning, it was widely expected to be that Friday anyway. They just jumped the gun by a day. There will be a plan before 5th May but one informed by the "higher power" of NEPHT.

pjohnson · 20-04-2020 08:58AM

VonLuck wrote: »

A temporary measure to keep pubs and restaurants from closing down permanently. Seems reasonable to me.

Only worry is that it would drive up prices of food and drink in the long term.

Ahearne wasnt elected though? Why should he be listened to if other unelected experts should be ignored?

VonLuck · 20-04-2020 09:01AM

pjohnson wrote: »

Ahearne wasnt elected though? Why should he be listened to if other unelected experts should be ignored?

Everyone should be listened to and their ideas given consideration. Not saying it's the best option, but don't throw out an idea without giving it thought.

20-04-2020 09:01AM

JRant wrote: »

It's quite simple for me. I don't want to be governed by a small number of unelected officials. Call old fashioned but a government should take responsibility for their actions and not continually deflect to some "higher power".

I also have a huge problem with how FG have communicated during this entire thing. Remember, schools/creches were closed with absolutely no warning for parents to try make alternative arrangements. Now we have the drip drip kite flying communication style that FG have perfected over the past few years. It leads to confusion, and is completely unhelpful to the rest of us in try to make some sort of arrangements for the next few months.

What we need are clear guidelines and metrics as to what can open, when it can open and why it may have to be rolled back. This is not complicated stuff and has surely been part of their strategic group meetings for at least a couple of weeks now. They were able to wrangle a policy document together with FF for forming a minority government in this time so I would assume they have some sort of a plan in place to start lifting restrictions. Otherwise, IMO it stinks of using a crisis to further the party than actually leading the country in these uncertain times.

Anyone anyway tuned in knew school closure was coming....it was well flagged on days in run-up to it

(Same way,everyone known a lockdown was coming and buying up food,while others sneered at panic-buying)

Looks to me,country will creep.back to normality of sorts by mid-may,pubs are widely speculated at mid-september to october....

hopefully we wont see whole lot flare up,out of control and need lockdown again,but this will.largly be out of government control.....if we need to lockdown again,it will likely be much much more severe

The lack of medication to effectively treat this virus is of course to be ignored,by those who lack personality to enable them have a life away from work

is_that_so · 20-04-2020 09:02AM

JoeA3 wrote: »

Simon Harris is getting much too fond of the sound of his own voice imo. Why is he continually feeding the hacks in the likes of the Indo and the Journal sound bytes. He’s popping up everywhere.

There should be one clear message from the powers that be, fed to the national broadcaster and Harris should be keeping his bloody opinions to himself outside of that.

That's his job at present. The CMO et al are far too busy managing it, he provides the political voice. He's also saying what they are saying. As for the hacks they are hungry for instant news. Better to feed them than have them "speculate" and alarm people.

RugbyLad11 · 20-04-2020 09:03AM

Kivaro wrote: »

Apparently, Alan Ahearne, who is an adviser to the Central Bank, wants us all to pay an extra €1 for a pint and a €10 Covid supplement for a meal when they start to relax the restrictions and pubs and restaurants eventually open up again.
This is a bad idea.

And probably an example of a rich person who is out of touch with reality adding further financial pain and punitive measures on the "regular folk".
More here.

Most people have lots there job and are earning less money....but sure let's charge them extra

20-04-2020 09:08AM

Some of Vietnam's provinces are starting to relax restrictions. Grades 9 and 12 in some of them went back to school today.

Feels like the country is gearing up for all this to end in a week or two. Locked down borders and life carrying on again would be good.

manniot2 · 20-04-2020 09:12AM

Does anyone else get the impression that Simon Harris is loving this? Im not saying he's enjoying the illness and death, but the longer this drags out, the better politically it is for him. At the end of the day, if our economy etc is crippled for years to come, he cant be blamed either way.

A few months ago FG hid him away for the full election because of the disaster in health - a distant memory for most people it seems.

Greyfox · 20-04-2020 09:14AM

Only an idiot would think opening the pubs again now is a good idea. We can't lift restrictions yet because we have a minority of stupid people who will not follow simple rules and they would ruin it for everyone.

Wanderer78 · 20-04-2020 09:14AM

manniot2 wrote:

Does anyone else get the impression that Simon Harris is loving this? Im not saying he's enjoying the illness and death, but the longer this drags out, the better politically it is for him. At the end of the day, if our economy etc is crippled for years to come, he cant be blamed either way.

Health minister gains loads of attention during a global pandemic, yea I can see where you're coming from!

is_that_so · 20-04-2020 09:18AM

manniot2 wrote: »

Does anyone else get the impression that Simon Harris is loving this? Im not saying he's enjoying the illness and death, but the longer this drags out, the better politically it is for him. At the end of the day, if our economy etc is crippled for years to come, he cant be blamed either way.

A few months ago FG hid him away for the full election because of the disaster in health - a distant memory for most people it seems.

I think he's of a mind that he has a public calling and he's always very keen to get things done. He may even believe he's the only one who can. How well he does all of it is what is thrashed out but I think he's done very well throughout this.

JRant · 20-04-2020 09:22AM

is_that_so wrote: »

Schools did not close with no warning, it was widely expected to be that Friday anyway. They just jumped the gun by a day. There will be a plan before 5th May but one informed by the "higher power" of NEPHT.

No it was not. You don't get to rewrite history to suit whatever narrative you think fits best. There were rumours about cabinet decisions and as another posted said it was "flagged" to happen. Here's the thing, when you are going to do something as drastic as that, you don't let rumours circulate and you don't "flag" it. You come out with a clear statement of intent and let people prepare for it.

I have no problem with a plan being informed by NEPHT, I have a huge problem with the government giving them full control over the course of action to be taken.

manniot2 · 20-04-2020 09:22AM

is_that_so wrote: »

I think he's of a mind that he has a public calling and he's always very keen to get things done. He may even believe he's the only one who can. How well he does all of it is what is thrashed out but I think he's done very well throughout this.

Very keen to get things done? But he achieved nothing in health over the last few years.

And what exactly has he done during this crisis apart from ask everyone to stay at home? Its the Irish people that have prevented this from getting out of control here and not Simon Harris.

Tenzor07 · 20-04-2020 09:23AM

Well, while the rest of us sit at home with our few soggy cans of Guinness, and stare out the window across at the Que's for Lidl that go past the local pub which has been shuttered down for the past month, we can take comfort that scenes like this are rarely happening all over the country and i'm sure will only increase more:

dublin-street-party-fortlawn-blanchardstown-

JRant · 20-04-2020 09:25AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Some of Vietnam's provinces are starting to relax restrictions. Grades 9 and 12 in some of them went back to school today.

Feels like the country is gearing up for all this to end in a week or two. Locked down borders and life carrying on again would be good.

That's great news. Hopefully we see more of this in the coming weeks and months.

drunkmonkey · 20-04-2020 09:25AM

is_that_so wrote: »

I think he's of a mind that he has a public calling and he's always very keen to get things done. He may even believe he's the only one who can. How well he does all of it is what is thrashed out but I think he's done very well throughout this.

He's been a disaster, he's done nothing, didn't stop the Italians, made 0 effort to protect the most at risk, himself and Leo are just hiding behind the WHO and ecdc advice which cost lives, neither prepared to make decisions themselves, that's not leadership.
When this is trashed out I hope he's held to account.

JRant · 20-04-2020 09:29AM

manniot2 wrote: »

Very keen to get things done? But he achieved nothing in health over the last few years.

And what exactly has he done during this crisis apart from ask everyone to stay at home? Its the Irish people that have prevented this from getting out of control here and not Simon Harris.

They also been late to the party when it came to pretty much every big decision they had to make. The company I work for stopped all flying in Feb and issued WFH directives in the last week of Feb, first week of March. All of which was well planned and allowed the staff to set up work stations at home etc.

Harris isn't the bad guy in this really. It comes down to they way his party operates. Leo is a great man for a soundbite but disappears into the ether when it comes to strong leadership being required.

is_that_so · 20-04-2020 09:33AM

JRant wrote: »

No it was not. You don't get to rewrite history to suit whatever narrative you think fits best. There were rumours about cabinet decisions and as another posted said it was "flagged" to happen. Here's the thing, when you are going to do something as drastic as that, you don't let rumours circulate and you don't "flag" it. You come out with a clear statement of intent and let people prepare for it.

I have no problem with a plan being informed by NEPHT, I have a huge problem with the government giving them full control over the course of action to be taken.

Nobody will care once we get out of this apart from you, very much it seems. I recall it being anticipated because it had been done elsewhere and it was but a matter of time. The Health Act of 1947 says they can take control, Section 31 in fact.

The Minister may make regulations providing for the prevention of the spread (including the spread outside the State) of an infectious disease or of infectious diseases generally and for the treatment of persons suffering therefrom and the regulations may, in particular, provide for any of the matters mentioned in the Second Schedule to this Act.

Nermal · 20-04-2020 09:33AM

Tell me how wrote: »

He said throughout the piece last night that medical advice will and is guiding everything they do.

What are you annoyed about, that they are following medical advice, in relation to dealing with a pandemic?

It's not solely a medical decision.

Dr. John Ioannidis on the Santa Clare study: "Our data suggests that COVID-19 has an infection fatality rate that is in the same ballpark as seasonal influenza"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGUgrEfSgaU

Volvo factories in Sweden re-opening Monday:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-19/sweden-says-controversial-covid-19-strategy-is-proving-effective

20-04-2020 09:35AM

Tenzor07 wrote: »

..........happening all over the country and i'm sure will only increase more:

dublin-street-party-fortlawn-blanchardstown-

Skangers being skangers.

stephenjmcd · 20-04-2020 09:36AM

JRant wrote: »

They also been late to the party when it came to pretty much every big decision they had to make. The company I work for stopped all flying in Feb and issued WFH directives in the last week of Feb, first week of March. All of which was well planned and allowed the staff to set up work stations at home etc.

Harris isn't the bad guy in this really. It comes down to they way his party operates. Leo is a great man for a soundbite but disappears into the ether when it comes to strong leadership being required.

I'd have voted FG but I think the handling of this leads alot to be desired, you mentioned soundbites and I think that's been a big issue during this, only last week Leo with a video and the soundbite the darkest days are to come etc and then the CMO sounded increasingly optimistic as the week went on.

It seems to be from a political perspective pushing of the doom and gloom while from a medical perspective it's this isn't as bad as we feared in terms of the hospitals aren't overrun and we're doing well but let's keep going.

pjohnson · 20-04-2020 09:37AM

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Well, while the rest of us sit at home with our few soggy cans of Guinness, and stare out the window across at the Que's for Lidl that go past the local pub which has been shuttered down for the past month, we can take comfort that scenes like this are rarely happening all over the country and i'm sure will only increase more:

dublin-street-party-fortlawn-blanchardstown-

And with dribblers like them we can't open pubs. Hell it seems Dublin stupidity alone might manage to extend this for everyone else. It was that packed Dublin pub that led to them being shamed into closing completely.

Letting côckwombles like that roam freely is the biggest problem.

um7y1h83ge06nx · 20-04-2020 09:39AM

pjohnson wrote: »

And with dribblers like them we can't open pubs. Hell it seems Dublin stupidity alone might manage to extend this for everyone else. It was that packed Dublin pub that led to them being shamed into closing completely.

It's not just that, the last few days have seen large funerals going ahead and people visiting here from the UK and parking up in convoy in the Curragh - Travellers.

Ignorance and arrogance.

drunkmonkey · 20-04-2020 09:39AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

I'd have voted FG but I think the handling of this leads alot to be desired, you mentioned soundbites and I think that's been a big issue during this, only last week Leo with a video and the soundbite the darkest days are to come etc and then the CMO sounded increasingly optimistic as the week went on.

It seems to be from a political perspective pushing of the doom and gloom while from a medical perspective it's this isn't as bad as we feared in terms of the hospitals aren't overrun and we're doing well but let's keep going.

You do know he quoted lines out of the Terminator in his first speech, probably start quoting love actually on the 5th.

JRant · 20-04-2020 09:39AM

is_that_so wrote: »

Nobody will care once we get out of this apart from you, very much it seems. I recall it being anticipated because it had been done elsewhere and it was but a matter of time. The Health Act of 1947 says they can take control, Section 31 in fact.

Okay so, it was anticipated then. That's my problem with these decisions. We need a clear set of guidelines on how to start opening back up society. Not some "opinions" by the minister but an actual plan.

Nothing in that tells me the government can abdicate responsibility. If you find a section that does please share.

drunkmonkey · 20-04-2020 09:40AM

pjohnson wrote: »

And with dribblers like them we can't open pubs. Hell it seems Dublin stupidity alone might manage to extend this for everyone else. It was that packed Dublin pub that led to them being shamed into closing completely.

Letting côckwombles like that roam freely is the biggest problem.

It's exactly why Dublin needs special treatment. It's got the most cases and head cases.

is_that_so · 20-04-2020 09:41AM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

He's been a disaster, he's done nothing, didn't stop the Italians, made 0 effort to protect the most at risk, himself and Leo are just hiding behind the WHO and ecdc advice which cost lives, neither prepared to make decisions themselves, that's not leadership.
When this is trashed out I hope he's held to account.

It wasn't the Italians it was Irish people coming back from Italy, Austria, the US and elsewhere. I'd hazard a guess from this post that anything short of chaining people's doors would not have been evidence of doing something. Sure we'll learn a lot after this including just how people behaved during it. One big lesson ,already raised at a G20 meeting, is the systemic weaknesses of world health systems to be able to deal with a pandemic.

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