Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

Hobgoblin11 · 18-04-2020 09:51PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

R0 has nothing to do with community transmission. It means that in the last few days, the majority of cases can be tracked to a source. It's not randomly floating around in the community.

sounds like nonsense , community transmission is at 52% regardless of source

Hamsterchops · 18-04-2020 09:52PM

Dank Janniels wrote: »

Well obviously! I posted it for its sheer stupidity

I for one would like closure on this, so who are the tanned ones you speak of? Are you being racist?

Stheno · 18-04-2020 09:56PM

Hobgoblin11 wrote: »

sounds like nonsense , community transmission is at 52% regardless of source

Sigh

That's cumulative of all cases from the start.

Do you understand what that means?

18-04-2020 10:00PM

Obviously this will be met with a load of "LOL sources pls" but in the town I'm in there's a nursing home where numerous residents have died, some have recovered, some are infected. 3 weeks ago the families were told that the residents will be made comfortable but that treatment outside of the facility wouldn't be happening. Make of that what ye will.

tobefrank321 · 18-04-2020 10:00PM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

community transmission accounts for 52%, close contact accounts for 43%, travel abroad accounts for 5%

All our cases initially stemmed from travel abroad. We don't have wet markets here so none started here.

It just demonstrates the damage a relatively small number of imported cases can do.

Close contact likely means family or workplace. We need to do better on family transmission. And consider isolating positives outside the home.

Community means untraceable.

expectationlost · 18-04-2020 10:00PM

Tony Holohan admitted that the testing criteria was too wide in early March ( at 20 minutes ) https://www.pscp.tv/rtenews/1vAxRBXVEoXxl this led to all the problems

Ace2007 · 18-04-2020 10:01PM

Hobgoblin11 wrote: »

sounds like nonsense , community transmission is at 52% regardless of source

Just out interest where did you get that number from?

Jim_Hodge · 18-04-2020 10:02PM

Hobgoblin11 wrote: »

sounds like nonsense , community transmission is at 52% regardless of source

This is why they need to stop giving out so many figures. People don't seem to be able to comprehend most of them.

Every night there are copious posts that either don't understand or misinterpret them.

ElTel · 18-04-2020 10:05PM

Ace2007 wrote: »

Just out interest where did you get that number from?

https://geohive.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/29dc1fec79164c179d18d8e53df82e96

New Home · 18-04-2020 10:05PM

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

Technically it's not. Plagues are bacterial diseases.

Were the plagues of Egypt all bacterial infections?

plague [pleyg]
noun
1. an epidemic disease that causes high mortality; pestilence.
2. an infectious, epidemic disease caused by a bacterium, Yersinia pestis, characterized by fever, chills, and prostration, transmitted to humans from rats by means of the bites of fleas.Compare bubonic plague, pneumonic plague, septicemic plague.
3. any widespread affliction, calamity, or evil, especially one regarded as a direct punishment by God: a plague of war and desolation.

verb (used with object), plagued, pla·guing.
1. to trouble, annoy, or torment in any manner: The question of his future plagues him with doubt.
2. to annoy, bother, or pester: Ants plagued the picnickers.
3. to smite with a plague, pestilence, death, etc.; scourge: those whom the gods had plagued.
4. to infect with a plague; cause an epidemic in or among: diseases that still plague the natives of Ethiopia.
5. to afflict with any evil: He was plagued by allergies all his life.

growleaves · 18-04-2020 10:05PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Obviously this will be met with a load of "LOL sources pls" but in the town I'm in there's a nursing home where numerous residents have died, some have recovered, some are infected. 3 weeks ago the families were told that the residents will be made comfortable but that treatment outside of the facility wouldn't be happening. Make of that what ye will.

LOL sources pls

Stheno · 18-04-2020 10:05PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Obviously this will be met with a load of "LOL sources pls" but in the town I'm in there's a nursing home where numerous residents have died, some have recovered, some are infected. 3 weeks ago the families were told that the residents will be made comfortable but that treatment outside of the facility wouldn't be happening. Make of that what ye will.

So did you ask all of these families that have family members in nursing homes if they had ever discussed end of life protocs before?

Its standard each three/six months especially if people are already frail/ill

Nonoperational · 18-04-2020 10:07PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Obviously this will be met with a load of "LOL sources pls" but in the town I'm in there's a nursing home where numerous residents have died, some have recovered, some are infected. 3 weeks ago the families were told that the residents will be made comfortable but that treatment outside of the facility wouldn't be happening. Make of that what ye will.

It is possible this is appropriate care. COVID 19 treatment consists of, dubious experimental drugs, oxygen, non invasive ventilation and intubation.

Most nursing home residents would never be candidates for ventilation, and oxygen can be provided in the nursing home. My grandmother would be in this camp, she's at home but a discussion was had with the GP and family that God forbid she got COVID (or any severe pneumonia) she would be made comfortable in her own home. Thats what she wanted and that was the appropriate decision.

The issue in imo, is if there is a blanket directive. Each case needs to be taken on its merits with patient, family, carer and doctor input.

growleaves · 18-04-2020 10:08PM

Were the plagues of Egypt all bacterial infections?

Jaysus lads.

There are technical, literal definitions of words and non-literal, more general usages.

Yous are ALL correct. Gold stars for everyone

This is a great way to spend a Saturday night. Please re-open pubs

Ace2007 · 18-04-2020 10:08PM

Hobgoblin11 wrote: »

sounds like nonsense , community transmission is at 52% regardless of source

ElTel wrote: »

https://geohive.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/29dc1fec79164c179d18d8e53df82e96

That's all case from the start, it's not the current rate of community transmission.

Like if you think that page shows you that we have 52% transmission in the community - you would also have to read that as us having 571 deaths today and 14,758 infections, but we all know they are the totals.

tobefrank321 · 18-04-2020 10:11PM

This covid crisis has really exposed the fact that most western leaders (and a few from other regions) are complete bullsh*tters.

ACitizenErased · 18-04-2020 10:12PM

Hobgoblin11 wrote: »

sounds like nonsense , community transmission is at 52% regardless of source

If you followed the conversation I'm talking about current community spread. Let's just ignore the Department of Health, according to you.

Ace2007 · 18-04-2020 10:13PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

This covid crisis has really exposed the fact that most western leaders (and a few from other regions) are complete bullsh*tters.

Frank has it really taken a global pandemic for you to see this?

A politician whether in government or opposition will tell it's people whatever they want to hear - it shouldn't have taken this virus or you know to realise that.

18-04-2020 10:13PM

Ace2007 wrote: »

I actually think DIY type places will open up and non building site tradesmen will be allow back to work, gardners/plumber/electricians etc, and see how that goes for a week or two.

What ever about gardeners, electricians and plumbers have been working but only for emergency calls as builders providers can provide the necessary materials if they wish to do so for emergencies.

Also most of the people from those trades that wouldn't be working on building sites would be older folks mainly or those working as part of a small contractor team on self builds etc in my experience.

Snow Garden · 18-04-2020 10:13PM

Akabusi wrote: »

Someone asked about the nursing homes, my aunt works in one, she was saying both the staff and occupants are now being tested even without showing symptoms. Thankfully the care home she is in hasn't had any confirmed cases so far.
They will have to be tested multiple times (the staff especially) over the coming weeks with a very quick result turn around for this to work. I hope the labs can manage this.

It's a little late though. They were crying out for equipment and testing 4 weeks ago when the HSE were prioritising the hospitals. I think there will be an inquiry into the handling of the nursing homes when the dust settles. Many relatives must be very angry.

DevilsHaircut · 18-04-2020 10:14PM

Initial UK NHS data on patients in ICU, inc. those on ventilators/advanced respiratory support.

https://icnarc.org/Our-Audit/Audits/Cmp/Reports

https://twitter.com/Gas_Craic/status/1251441373347221504

fritzelly · 18-04-2020 10:16PM

Ace2007 wrote: »

That's all case from the start, it's not the current rate of community transmission.

Like if you think that page shows you that we have 52% transmission in the community - you would also have to read that as us having 571 deaths today and 14,758 infections, but we all know they are the totals.

I've been tracking all stats on my website - but even the official released numbers are all over the place - not sure how much faith you can put in them or the person who is responsible for publishing them. On the 14th April the numbers completely changed

18-04-2020 10:17PM

Wibbs wrote: »

1) I emphasised in my area and others may differ. I live on the effin road in question and yes a week ago traffic was noticeably lighter. And when I posted that there was a car passing by every few seconds. It's tailed off now, but it's anything but a ghost road(I just now took a minute as a guide and 8 cars passed my gaff in that time). Jaysus, I'll have to effin record it next. A mate's take on it - and he noticed it too. His area would be far lighter in traffic normally and it's pretty much dead now - is maybe because the same road has six supermarkets within ten minutes of it and it's shopping traffic. I reckon that's it. It does tend to die right back around 9-10 and doesn't kick off in the mornings until after 10. 10:30 for the dipsos. 12:30 tomorrow.

Oh and by the way, in case of any further misconceptions, I have no issue with this. I'm happier to see more traffic. It feels more "normal" and that's a good thing and you couldn't be any more "socially distant" than tootling along in a car. And yes I do think restrictions should be lifted and more businesses like DIY shops and the like should be open. If supermarkets and pet shops can be open and not cause any issues, I don't see why similarly sized places couldn't be up and running. Now I would very much prefer if they added masks/mouth and nose covering in such places, like they do in many places on the continent that are starting back up again, but the gov and the HSE and many Irish folks seem to have a very negative view on that, so pigs might fly.

OK, W.

JoChervil · 18-04-2020 10:18PM

I know nothing about nursing homes, so I am curious:

who pays for a care in a hospital of a resident of a nursing home? A resident or a nursing home?

Is treatment of Covid-19 in hospitals free?

New Home · 18-04-2020 10:20PM

JoChervil wrote: »

I know nothing about nursing homes, so I am curious:

who pays for a care in a hospital of a resident of a nursing home? A resident or a nursing home?

I would say it's paid by the residents through their fees.

J Mysterio · 18-04-2020 10:20PM

Very concerned with state of play in the US with the many, many shockingly stupid Republicans out protesting across the country in big crowds. This will likely lead to hundreds of thousands of deaths and risk a spread of 2nd wave transmissions bacm to the EU.

tobefrank321 · 18-04-2020 10:20PM

Trump has left the building.

fritzelly · 18-04-2020 10:21PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Trump has left the building.

Trump left a long time ago

the.red.baron · 18-04-2020 10:21PM

Wibbs wrote: »

1) I emphasised in my area and others may differ. I live on the effin road in question and yes a week ago traffic was noticeably lighter. And when I posted that there was a car passing by every few seconds. It's tailed off now, but it's anything but a ghost road(I just now took a minute as a guide and 8 cars passed my gaff in that time). Jaysus, I'll have to effin record it next. A mate's take on it - and he noticed it too. His area would be far lighter in traffic normally and it's pretty much dead now - is maybe because the same road has six supermarkets within ten minutes of it and it's shopping traffic. I reckon that's it. It does tend to die right back around 9-10 and doesn't kick off in the mornings until after 10. 10:30 for the dipsos. 12:30 tomorrow.

Oh and by the way, in case of any further misconceptions, I have no issue with this. I'm happier to see more traffic. It feels more "normal" and that's a good thing and you couldn't be any more "socially distant" than tootling along in a car. And yes I do think restrictions should be lifted and more businesses like DIY shops and the like should be open. If supermarkets and pet shops can be open and not cause any issues, I don't see why similarly sized places couldn't be up and running. Now I would very much prefer if they added masks/mouth and nose covering in such places, like they do in many places on the continent that are starting back up again, but the gov and the HSE and many Irish folks seem to have a very negative view on that, so pigs might fly.

That's was at 7, mix of n road, main city roads

Your areas no different to any other, you said it was like any other Saturday night

Nowhere in the country is

And nowhere has it been a few cars an hour, unless you live in Roscommon now?

Ghost town full of police

I'm mean it's obvious night traffic is lighter, there's nowhere to go

Seamai · 18-04-2020 10:24PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Trump has left the building.

Did he ever enter it to begin?

Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

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