Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

Professor Moriarty · 18-04-2020 12:34PM

Wombatman wrote: »

Anyone who thinks we are doing well should read this carefully.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/covid-19-and-care-homes-six-key-questions-1.4231703

The biggest question out of the six is:

"Are residents being left to die in nursing homes?"

I may be wrong, but would seem from the article that these people are being triaged on the basis that ICU treatment won't save their lives and I would assume they are receiving palliative care in the home instead. If your death is inevitable, that would be better than being needlessly intubated in ICU

smelly sock · 18-04-2020 12:34PM

What are posters views on the restrictions that will be relaxed / discontinued come the 5th of May?

I think the 2km distance will be either lifted or made greater.

Some retail outlets to be opened such as clothing amd electrical with strict social distancing measures in place.

Pubs, clubs amd restaurants to remain closed. Social distancing is probably to difficult when alcohol is consumed.

Work places to reopen. Building sites etc.

smelly sock · 18-04-2020 12:36PM

Wombatman wrote: »

Anyone who thinks we are doing well should read this carefully.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/covid-19-and-care-homes-six-key-questions-1.4231703

The biggest question out of the six is:

"Are residents being left to die in nursing homes?"

Ffs. They are receiving pallative care etc where they are if they are dying. Or else admitted to a hospice.

What would be the point admitting them to ICU taking up a bed?

We are doing extremely well according to our CMO.

rebeve · 18-04-2020 12:37PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

https://twitter.com/GeorgeLeeRTE/status/1251070410696908800

You tell em George

The Rte irrelevance correspondent .

nj27 · 18-04-2020 12:42PM

smelly sock wrote: »

What are posters views on the restrictions that will be relaxed / discontinued come the 5th of May?

I think the 2km distance will be either lifted or made greater.

I'd say the 2k limit will have to go if the intent is to allow people to get back to work or have some kind of taste of normality. If they keep it or extend it a bit things won't change much from now.

Curious_Case · 18-04-2020 12:45PM

Logic dictates that the easing of restrictions will be on a TEST basis and subject to reversal IF they appear to have an OVERLY ADVERSE effect on transmission rates.

Obviously, there is no likelihood of keeping all restrictions in place, indefinitely, if a phased easing of them proceeds SUCCESSFULLY.

Some people are simply shouting "same, same, same, same" as if the situation is not going to evolve in any way going forward.

My thinking is that restrictions will begin to be eased in a matter of weeks BUT the response to new occurrences will be rapid, localised and focused.

Wombatman · 18-04-2020 12:46PM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

I may be wrong, but would seem from the article that these people are being triaged on the basis that ICU treatment won't save their lives and I would assume they are receiving palliative care in the home instead. If your death is inevitable, that would be better than being needlessly intubated in ICU

I think the nub of the question is who is making the call "that ICU treatment won't save their lives"? Nursing and care home don't usually have people on their staff qualified to make this call.

It's could be we are not seeing the demand on hospital, HDU and ICU beds, other countries are seeing, due to a conservative admission policy.

eagle eye · 18-04-2020 12:47PM

walshb wrote:

You said there was muddling. I said there wasnâ€™t.

I said there was muddling in the minds of the public health changing the test conditions.
I read everything and I'm sure most regular posters on boards but the majority of people glance at things. So they say you are not getting tested unless you have a temperature them the vast majority think you don't have the virus unless you have a fever.

Professor Moriarty · 18-04-2020 12:50PM

Wombatman wrote: »

I think the nub of the question is who is making the call "that ICU treatment won't save their lives"? Nursing and care home don't usually have people on their staff qualified to make this call.

It's could be we are not seeing the demand on hospital, HDU and ICU beds, other countries are seeing, due to a conservative admission policy.

Possibly. I would hope that suitably qualified people are making the call. But it is a call that needs to be made both for the patient and the hospital.

eagle eye · 18-04-2020 12:52PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote:

You tell em George

Excellent but the Dumbo's won't look at that or just dismiss it unfortunately.

Level 42 · 18-04-2020 12:52PM

Get rid of the 2km thing and get Leo's park rangers in tourist hot spots such as beaches parks etc. By restricting us to 2km we are stuffed into small areas risking contamination

Cork Boy 53 · 18-04-2020 12:55PM

Sober Crappy Chemis wrote: »

No.

85,000 Irish people are not going to die from the virus.

Silly.

If restrictions are lifted too quickly and people carry on the same way as they did before the virus appeared, combined with a likely second wave next autumn/winter and no effective vaccine being developed, then the death rate could very well reach those levels over the next 12 months or so.

Gynoid · 18-04-2020 12:57PM

smelly sock wrote: »

What are posters views on the restrictions that will be relaxed / discontinued come the 5th of May?

I think the 2km distance will be either lifted or made greater.

Some retail outlets to be opened such as clothing amd electrical with strict social distancing measures in place.

Pubs, clubs amd restaurants to remain closed. Social distancing is probably to difficult when alcohol is consumed.

Work places to reopen. Building sites etc.

Don't worry! The working class will be sent out in greater numbers soon to test the waters! The white collar workers can observe behind clip boards or be informed in group mails at their desk in the den. If all goes well, then phew! Thank goodness, the economy. If numbers spike people like you will say
He/she looked a bit lardy in the obit photos
OR
Ffs! They had an underlying conditions obvs!
OR
Lookit, shrugs, they were probably going to die in the next few years anyway, what can ye do?
OR
There will be a rate of attrition, soldiers, but the main thing is we have to make money because that is the system, the agreement, the social contract and there is no other way.

So, patience, oh person with odiferous foot coverings. The great day will come.

walshb · 18-04-2020 12:57PM

eagle eye wrote: »

I said there was muddling in the minds of the public health changing the test conditions.
I read everything and I'm sure most regular posters on boards but the majority of people glance at things. So they say you are not getting tested unless you have a temperature them the vast majority think you don't have the virus unless you have a fever.

Whatever you said or are saying now...

Simple: The nurse tested positive. She had three symptoms and they turned out to be an alarm telling her she was positive..

She thought because no fever or cough that she was fine.

To me that is really obtuse and really ignorant..

The dogs on the street should know that there are several symptoms..not all need to be present..

Hell, people testing positive with none. We all know this...

Duke of Url · 18-04-2020 12:58PM

im being selfish but it would be great if they lifted restrictions on places like B&Q and Woodies.

keynes · 18-04-2020 01:00PM

Duke of Url wrote: »

im being selfish but it would be great if they lifted restrictions on places like B&Q and Woodies.

No reason why they shouldn't. These stores have plenty of open space, much more so than supermarkets.

John.Icy · 18-04-2020 01:00PM

If community transmission is near 0 as reported yesterday evening I don't see why we don't see some sort of leeway come the 5th of May, even in a small way. The virus is not seemingly being spread by walking past people in the park, or by joggers or by sunbathers or by people doing food shopping. Most surprised at the lack of infections being reported due to shopping trips, between staff at checkouts and general customers. My local Aldi does be rather packed despite limited entry. Aldi/Lidl have all their food typically in one outer ring aisle (with the helicopters and jet skis taking up the middle of the store of course), so even with less people you still had multiple people on top of one another at the fruit&veg or heads in the freezers. The 15 minutes within 2 metres seems to be a pretty good metric. It seems at this point post-lockdown a lot of new cases are infection spread in nursing/care homes, among health staff and familial spread in households.

The tricky thing is whats the point in say small clothes shops being allowed open. Without non-restricted human movement, it would not be worth their time opening with running costs if footfall is non-existent. Maybe hardware stores would be near the top in phased re-openings, never heard of so many people looking for paint in my life. At the end of the day, food shops etc have shown that retail can operate with some level of social distancing guidelines and the virus won't rapidly spread throughout shoppers. I think we'll eventually see a return of the no more than 50-100 people indoors (no pubs though) and no gatherings outside.

Fr_Dougal · 18-04-2020 01:00PM

Anyone who has tested positive should be given a barcode after 2 weeks. This along with ID should be needed to travel. Provide the authorities with scanning software to read this barcode, let the barcode contain name, address, DOB.

18-04-2020 01:01PM

Duke of Url wrote: »

im being selfish but it would be great if they lifted restrictions on places like B&Q and Woodies.

Some smaller hardware shops are open in Galway. Garden centres too.

Curious_Case · 18-04-2020 01:01PM

Duke of Url wrote: »

im being selfish but it would be great if they lifted restrictions on places like B&Q and Woodies.

I don't see why not, those places are never tightly packed.

smelly sock · 18-04-2020 01:02PM

Gynoid wrote: »

Don't worry! The working class will be sent out in greater numbers soon to test the waters! The white collar workers can observe behind clip boards or be informed in group mails at their desk in the den. If all goes well, then phew! Thank goodness, the economy. If numbers spike people like you will say
He/she looked a bit lardy in the obit photos
OR
Ffs! They had an underlying conditions obvs!
OR
Lookit, shrugs, they were probably going to die in the next few years anyway, what can ye do?
OR
There will be a rate of attrition, soldiers, but the main thing is we have to make money because that is the system, the agreement, the social contract and there is no other way.

So, patience, oh person with odiferous foot coverings. The great day will come.

Ok thanks !

zerosugarbuzz · 18-04-2020 01:04PM

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

Anyone who has tested positive should be given a barcode after 2 weeks. This along with ID should be needed to travel. Provide the authorities with scanning software to read this barcode, let the barcode contain name, address, DOB.

Why not just microchip them and be done with it?

Kermit.de.frog · 18-04-2020 01:05PM

UK reports 888 new deaths and 5,525 new cases

WhiteMemento9 · 18-04-2020 01:06PM

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

Anyone who has tested positive should be given a barcode after 2 weeks. This along with ID should be needed to travel. Provide the authorities with scanning software to read this barcode, let the barcode contain name, address, DOB.

Coronavirus: Currently 'no evidence' that COVID-19 survivors have immunity, WHO warns

Not to mention the other awful aspects of this plan.

walshb · 18-04-2020 01:08PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

UK reports 888 new deaths and 5,525 new cases

Serious stuff!!!

sonofenoch · 18-04-2020 01:11PM

Duke of Url wrote: »

im being selfish but it would be great if they lifted restrictions on places like B&Q and Woodies.

Apparently you can order and collect from B&Q

Fr_Dougal · 18-04-2020 01:13PM

WhiteMemento9 wrote: »

Coronavirus: Currently 'no evidence' that COVID-19 survivors have immunity, WHO warns

Not to mention the other awful aspects of this plan.

Happy to hear your suggestions.

Mic 1972 · 18-04-2020 01:15PM

smelly sock wrote: »

https://www.thejournal.ie/dr-tony-holohan-we-think-weve-flattened-that-curve-so-much-that-there-is-no-peak-5077707-Apr2020/

Good man Tony. That'll stick in the throat of some of the dooms day merchants on here.

every country attempts at sugarcoating their local reality, we are not ready to lift restrictions

Curious_Case · 18-04-2020 01:15PM

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

Anyone who has tested positive should be given a barcode after 2 weeks. This along with ID should be needed to travel. Provide the authorities with scanning software to read this barcode, let the barcode contain name, address, DOB.

I would be a staunch advocate of the use of ear tags, much more practical I think.

Red Tag - "Danger" Green Tag - "Safe" Grey Tag - "Boring"

Kermit.de.frog · 18-04-2020 01:15PM

Telegraph reports NHS staff in UK are threatening to walk out over PPE as death toll rises 888 on the previous day

NHS staff may refuse to work this weekend if supplies of gowns and other PPE are unavailable for them to deal with coronavirus patients, the union Unison says.

The warning came after Public Health England reversed guidance to hospitals on Friday, asking staff to reuse equipment.

Unison head of health Sara Gorton said: "These are absolute worse case scenerio measures, which staff hope their organisations won't have to implement.

"No part of the NHS should use this move as an excuse to ration supplies of gowns when they still have stock."

It comes as NHS Providers warned some hospitals' supplies could run out in 24 hours, and asked medical staff in England are to be asked to attend to medical needs without fully protective gowns and to reuse equipment due to shortage fears.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/coronavirus-news-uk-latest-cases-deaths-lockdown-vaccine-update/?WT.mc_id=tmg_share_tw

Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

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