Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

hawkelady · 18-04-2020 11:45AM

walshb wrote: »

It’s been highlighted clearly that you do not necessarily need to have any one particular symptom..

This nurse had three clear and noticeable symptoms, but because no fever and cough, she thought all is dandy...

I can’t get my head around this ignorance..

You sound ignorant. Healthcare workers are trying their best ffs and having to read your tripe from that high horse is nauseating.

I’ve a thumping headache now and I have to go out and get milk and bread.. oh what to do !!

Stheno · 18-04-2020 11:45AM

walshb wrote: »

It’s been highlighted clearly that you do not necessarily need to have any one particular symptom..

This nurse had three clear and noticeable symptoms, but because no fever and cough, she thought all is dandy...

I can’t get my head around this ignorance..

Temperature and cough appear to be the only symptoms taken seriously enough for a test if those aren't present at the moment no test.

I was at the doctor 5/6 weeks ago with a bad sinus dose, no temperature mild cough and got antibiotics and steroids

Still getting over that of it

Who knows if it was this plaguw

walshb · 18-04-2020 11:47AM

Gynoid wrote: »

I am not a nurse thank goodness, as I hate the sight of blood, and me running screaming and wailing down hospital corridors after every blood test would not inspire confidence and calmness in a health care environment.
But re symptoms I thought there were specific symptoms one had to have before getting a test and I never saw stuffed up ears or sinus weirdness on the list..hmmm.

For getting tests they tweaked the criteria...

But for general awareness they clearly stated that not one particular symptom was needed...

It could be any symptom or combination..

Everyone should have known this..

She developed three clear symptoms, and still attended work for several days. Ignorance and recklessness..

walshb · 18-04-2020 11:48AM

hawkelady wrote: »

You sound ignorant. Healthcare workers are trying their best ffs and having to read your tripe from that high horse is nauseating.

I’ve a thumping headache now and I have to go out and get milk and bread.. oh what to do !!

Who said they weren’t trying their best?

Are people now above questioning because they are health workers..?

I am far from ignorant, as I clearly understand the symptoms to watch out for..there are several, and you do not need to have all...

Go way ouha that..

BanditLuke · 18-04-2020 11:50AM

wakka12 wrote: »

Surprisingly Portugal is now beginning to open up smaller business and construction sites again. Despite recording nearly 850 new cases and 60 deaths over the last 48 hours, but perhaps there is more to it than people outside the country would know, maybe most of the new cases are witin care homes and hospitals like Ireland and community transmission has largely ended.

That's all well and good but it will be in the community soon enough again if they do that.

Stheno · 18-04-2020 11:50AM

walshb wrote: »

For getting tests they tweaked the criteria...

But for general awareness they clearly stated that not one particular symptom was needed...

It could be any symptom or combination..

Everyone should have known this..

She developed three clear symptoms, and still attended work for several days. Ignorance and recklessness..

https://www2.hse.ie/conditions/coronavirus/symptoms-causes.html

HSE list tirednedand headache as sometimes a symptom

Dont list sinus at all apart from nasal congestion

Sober Crappy Chemis · 18-04-2020 11:53AM

O fearmongers, fearmongers, where art thou fearmongers ...predicting 85,000 Irish deaths?

hawkelady · 18-04-2020 11:53AM

walshb wrote: »

Who said they weren’t trying their best?

Are people now above questioning because they are health workers..?

I am far from ignorant, as I clearly understand the symptoms to watch out for..there are several, and you do not need to have all...

Go way ouha that..

So if someone has a headache now, they need to self isolate for 14 days ? Is that what you’re implying with your “ you do not need to have all symptoms”

You need to go away outta that!

BanditLuke · 18-04-2020 11:54AM

eagle eye wrote: »

He was up on twitter yesterday saying Liberate Michigan, liberate Minnesota, last berate Virginia and save your great 2nd amendment rights. He shouldn't be doing that.

He is right to cause conflict with China, they need to be buried after this.

China are going pay a heavy price but it will hopefully be economically not militarily but with Trump at the helm who knows.

Notmything · 18-04-2020 11:54AM

MD1990 wrote: »

John Campbell has a video later that has evidence people are immune.

Large mjaority are immune . Video will be out later.
Oxford may have a vaccine in september also. Unlikely but seems to be going well.

ICU numbers going down too. Spain improving quite alot now too.
So some good positives last few days.

I think near the end of May many countries will start lifting some restrictions.

Is he re-exposing recovered persons to the virus or how is he proving this?

eagle eye · 18-04-2020 11:55AM

walshb wrote:

She developed three clear symptoms, and still attended work for several days. Ignorance and recklessness..

You are blaming the wrong person. Things were muddled by the testing conditions changing. The majority of people now believe that if you don't have a temperature you don't have covid-19 because you won't get a test without a temperature.

Cork Boy 53 · 18-04-2020 11:55AM

owlbethere wrote: »

Its worrying from Trump. This isn't a time for causing conflict with China. He needs to cop on and deal with the tasks at hand that covid19 is causing instead of stirring the pot. Is there anyone to talk sense to him?

There are but unfortunately it seems that none of them are in a position to influence him.

owlbethere · 18-04-2020 11:55AM

walshb wrote: »

These excuses mean nothing..

Probably this and probably that...

Severe tiredness, headaches and sinus..

What excuses for the other two symptoms?

How are people and medical professionals going to tell the difference between hay-fever and covid19 this summer? We are now in hay-fever season and headache and sinus is common with hay-fever.

Are hay-fever sufferers supposed to isolate themselves when they start a sniffle and a headache and sinus just in case it's covid19?

walshb · 18-04-2020 11:55AM

Stheno wrote: »

https://www2.hse.ie/conditions/coronavirus/symptoms-causes.html

HSE list tirednedand headache as sometimes a symptom

Dont list sinus at all apart from nasal congestion

Yes, she had three listed. Sinus issues are generally cold like feelings and runny nose. She didn’t go into detail.

Severe tiredness, headaches (awful heavy feeling in head) and sinus...

What else wax she wanting before it twigged that she “could” have it, and that maybe, rather than keep attending work, she might get tested and self isolate?

walshb · 18-04-2020 11:58AM

eagle eye wrote: »

You are blaming the wrong person. Things were muddled by the testing conditions changing. The majority of people now believe that if you don't have a temperature you don't have covid-19 because you won't get a test without a temperature.

That is incorrect..There was no muddling whatsoever!

They never ever changed the criteria for what could possibly be the illness.

The testing criteria was tweaked..

You can absolutely still have Covid and not have certain symptoms, sure some have no bloody symptoms..

She had three. She is a nurse...In a very volatile and risky area..

Professor Moriarty · 18-04-2020 11:58AM

walshb wrote: »

Yes, she had three listed. Sinus issues are generally cold like feelings and runny nose. She didn’t go into detail.

Severe tiredness, headaches (awful heavy feeling in head) and sinus...

What else wax she wanting before it twigged that she “could” have it, and that maybe, rather than keep attending work, she might get tested and self isolate?

There is research by WHO, based on confirmed cases, that suggests:

88 percent of infected people experienced a fever and 67.7 percent had a dry cough. Less frequent symptoms include thick mucus from coughs (sputum) (33.4 percent), shortness of breath (18.6 percent), sore throat (13.9 percent), and headache (13.6 percent).

Notmything · 18-04-2020 11:58AM

walshb wrote: »

For getting tests they tweaked the criteria...

But for general awareness they clearly stated that not one particular symptom was needed...

It could be any symptom or combination..

Everyone should have known this..

She developed three clear symptoms, and still attended work for several days. Ignorance and recklessness..

Think one clear lesson we are seeing is that symptoms can change and are not universal. Originally the focus appeared to be on developing a fever, but many never had this symptom. Likewise it's only in recent weeks that lose of smell has been suggested.

It's not hard to imagine that people developed a cough but because no fever presented thought they had something not covid19.

owlbethere · 18-04-2020 11:59AM

Notmything wrote: »

Is he re-exposing recovered persons to the virus or how is he proving this?

He probably reads blood work. Maybe it shows in blood work. I don't know.

wakka12 · 18-04-2020 12:03PM

Looks like we should be seeing a steep decline in deaths in Spain soon. Belgium,France, UK appear to only be peaking/plateauing now, so it will be days or weeks before there is a large decline there. USA, Sweden, still on upward trajectory. Germany and Canada appear to be to be increasing but on an extremely flattened curve

walshb · 18-04-2020 12:07PM

Notmything wrote: »

Think one clear lesson we are seeing is that symptoms can change and are not universal. Originally the focus appeared to be on developing a fever, but many never had this symptom. Likewise it's only in recent weeks that lose of smell has been suggested.

It's not hard to imagine that people developed a cough but because no fever presented thought they had something not covid19.

Agreed.

However, the onus is on everyone to be careful and responsible

I can’t see how this can be spun or defended in any way..

Thought this, thought that, maybe this, maybe that...red herrings nonsense

Nurse. Hospital setting. Risk. Awareness.

Three clear symptoms, in her words it was obvious she was unwell..

Still decided to attend work just because no fever and cough..

I would not attend work if I had the symptoms she described, and I do not work in the health field, and I’d like to think nobody would be out and about with these symptoms...

And the end result was that the nurse tested positive...so all the red herrings and deflection and but this and but that is garbage. She had three symptoms, and was positive for the virus..

walshb · 18-04-2020 12:10PM

hawkelady wrote: »

So if someone has a headache now, they need to self isolate for 14 days ? Is that what you’re implying with your “ you do not need to have all symptoms”

You need to go away outta that!

Simple. You don’t need to have all symptoms.

Plain as day. Lost on your obtuseness..

She had three. One you may think, hmm maybe not. Two, hmm, could be Covid? Three? Come on, don’t be so ridiculous..You would surely think to take measures, at least..

eagle eye · 18-04-2020 12:15PM

walshb wrote:

That is incorrect..There was no muddling whatsoever!

Obviously you cannot read.

walshb · 18-04-2020 12:17PM

eagle eye wrote: »

Obviously you cannot read.

I can, clearly.

You said there was muddling. I said there wasn’t.

Not that difficult a conversation..

Kermit.de.frog · 18-04-2020 12:19PM

Sweden reports 111 new deaths (brings total so far over 1,500) (up from 67 yesterday)

Belgium reports 290 new deaths (down from 306 yesterday)

Netherlands reports 142 new deaths (down from 144 yesterday)

Mwengwe · 18-04-2020 12:20PM

MD1990 wrote: »

John Campbell has a video later that has evidence people are immune.

Large mjaority are immune . Video will be out later.
Oxford may have a vaccine in september also. Unlikely but seems to be going well.

ICU numbers going down too. Spain improving quite alot now too.
So some good positives last few days.

I think near the end of May many countries will start lifting some restrictions.

'Dr' John has the proof, eh?

DevilsHaircut · 18-04-2020 12:20PM

https://twitter.com/bmj_latest/status/1251239276538482689

Cork Boy 53 · 18-04-2020 12:20PM

Sober Crappy Chemis wrote: »

O fearmongers, fearmongers, where art thou fearmongers ...predicting 85,000 Irish deaths?

If no restriction measures had been implemented and things had been allowed to carry on as normal then the death toll over the next 12 months would be at least that and likely more. That it doesn`t seem at present that it will be near that is precisely due to the restrictions being imposed. However if they are lifted too quickly and people go back to normal activities it could yet reach those levels.

Wombatman · 18-04-2020 12:21PM

Anyone who thinks we are doing well should read this carefully.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/covid-19-and-care-homes-six-key-questions-1.4231703

The biggest question out of the six is:

"Are residents being left to die in nursing homes?"

A number of families with relatives in nursing homes have told The Irish Times they have been advised their loved ones will not be transferred to hospital if they contract Covid-19.

The National Public Health Emergency Team (NPHET) has denied such a blanket policy is in place, though they say the default is to treat patients in their nursing homes unless a transfer to hospital is clinically indicated. The HSE has advised nursing homes to manage the disease in their own facilities and only transfer residents to hospitals where this would “confer additional benefit”.

One family told The Irish Times their nursing home, citing HSE “guidelines”, told them residents should not be sent for resuscitation in relation to Covid-19. NPHET have said no such guidelines are in place.

What happened at the Maryborough Centre in Portlaoise after nine people tragically died over Easter is instructive. The remaining 17 patients, some of whom are also reported to be positive for the disease, have been treated on site, rather than being brought to hospital.

Medical teams came out from Portlaoise hospital to treat the residents in their familiar environs. Public health officials maintain they got better treatment because of this approach.

Sober Crappy Chemis · 18-04-2020 12:24PM

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

If no restriction measures had been implemented and things had been allowed to carry on as normal then the death toll over the next 12 months would be at least that and likely more. That it doesn`t seem at present that it will be near that is precisely due to the restrictions being imposed. However if they are lifted too quickly and people go back to normal activities it could yet reach those levels.

No.

85,000 Irish people are not going to die from the virus.

Silly.

Kermit.de.frog · 18-04-2020 12:31PM

https://twitter.com/GeorgeLeeRTE/status/1251070410696908800

You tell em George

Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

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