Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

The situation in Japan is looking ever more alarming being driven in large part by the surge in Tokyo as AP reports.



https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/coronavirus-trump-claims-china-has-most-deaths-despite-official-statistics-1.4232530?mode=amp

Just once could you post something postive, try it, it might make you feel better.

Beasty wrote: »

According to Worldometers Vietnam seems to be doing incredibly well. 268 cases and no deaths

Do you think that is reflective of what;s been going on there? Have they had a strict lockdown?

I think it has become clear that all the stats that are flying around are just so much junk data. There is no consistency or common standards about what the criteria are for recording and reporting cases or deaths or testing or anything else about this pandemic.
In Ireland we are getting figures on a daily basis which are totally without context. In the case of deaths, we have no idea when those deaths occurred. Some of them could have been weeks ago. We don’t know what the criteria are for determining what constitutes a death attributable to Covid. We get figures on positive tests without having any idea when those tests were taken. Anecdotally we hear of people being tested and hearing nothing for a couple of weeks.
I have a strong suspicion that the reported stats are being ‘managed’ to justify whatever the current policy is on restrictions rather than to inform the public about what is really going on.
If the lockdown strategy really was effective, new cases should have dropped to very low numbers after three weeks or so. This does not appear to have happened anywhere. I think that many countries are now realising that testing and tracing is the way to beat this virus rather than thrashing the economy for little or no benefit.
South Korea showed us the way to do it right but most countries, including us, just panicked each other into a bizarre competition to see who could impose the strictest measures.
As the virus is going to be still out there for a long time, we are now in a position where the ‘cocooned’ segment of the population cannot be released from their effective house arrest without admitting that the severity of the original policy was wrong.

silverharp wrote: »

has any tropical country had a major outbreak? Plenty of Vit D and secondly high UV levels which is natures disinfectant.

Yes, Indonesia,Florida, Brazil, Mexico, Ecuador,Dominican Republic, Phillipinnes...and several hot climate North African regions as well

Singapore has reported almost 1000 new cases today, almost a 20% increase in cases

Roger_007 wrote: »

I think it has become clear that all the stats that are flying around are just so much junk data. There is no consistency or common standards about what the criteria are for recording and reporting cases or deaths or testing or anything else about this pandemic.
In Ireland we are getting figures on a daily basis which are totally without context. In the case of deaths, we have no idea when those deaths occurred. Some of them could have been weeks ago. We don’t know what the criteria are for determining what constitutes a death attributable to Covid. We get figures on positive tests without having any idea when those tests were taken. Anecdotally we hear of people being tested and hearing nothing for a couple of weeks.
I have a strong suspicion that the reported stats are being ‘managed’ to justify whatever the current policy is on restrictions rather than to inform the public about what is really going on.
If the lockdown strategy really was effective, new cases should have dropped to very low numbers after three weeks or so. This does not appear to have happened anywhere. I think that many countries are now realising that testing and tracing is the way to beat this virus rather than thrashing the economy for little or no benefit.
South Korea showed us the way to do it right but most countries, including us, just panicked each other into a bizarre competition to see who could impose the strictest measures.
As the virus is going to be still out there for a long time, we are now in a position where the ‘cocooned’ segment of the population cannot be released from their effective house arrest without admitting that the severity of the original policy was wrong.

We do know when they happened, there's a death cert. What they are reporting daily is deaths notified to them on that day, which AFAIK can legally be up to a month or so.
Really not feeling any sense of panic and never have, measured is the word I would use for our step by step approach. As the somewhat excitable Paul Cullen pointed out in the IT, we cracked it inside a month.

My jaws just dropped after reading the St Mary's memo written internally based on Professor Cormican's recommendation.

He is the guy who in early March advised that it was OK to live "normally" with someone who might be a suspect case so long as he is asymptomatic, as viral load is not high enough before symptoms appear. That was at a time when other countries were screaming about asymptomatic and pre-symptomatic spreaders.

He is still recommending that despite the spread in St Mary's, those asymptomatic patients are the "cleanest" and only gloves (not full PPE) need to be changed between patients.

I thought everywhere else, these "contacts" though asymptomatic are all treated "as if they have it".

That's the logic behind why many countries are imposing quarantine measures on arriving visitors who are asymptomatic, in order to slow the spread.

This Professor is described as the HSE national lead on infections control. His views seem to differ from the rest of the world. Somebody has to challenge him before more people die as a result of his "advice".

silverharp wrote: »

but they are on the lower end , Brazil is 9 deaths per million. Florida is 35 but there maybe specific issues with nursing homes and retirement communities, if they arent out and about they arent benefiting from the climate advantages

Brazil has had 2000 deaths in the last 14 days, it may be on the lower end currently but is one of fastest growing death rates in the world, Mexico has also reported nearly 500 deaths in the last fortnight, Ecuador is also likely experiencing thousands of deaths

Reading on page 2 the Indo about Covid patients who recovered...

What’s the craic with nurses?

One said she developed sinus issues and headaches, but never thought it could be Covid because of no cough or fever. Went about her business and went to work on several days...severe tiredness on days that she went into work..

Surely nurses knew that you did not have to have any one particular symptom?

She said the red flag was only raised when she was told a doctor that she had been in contact with had tested positive..

She never even thought that the sinus and headaches and tiredness were a possible Covid issue?

I don’t know, the more I am reading this, the more great stories I hear, but also the more incredulous and silly type stories..

This nurse work in the respiratory field...

Reported cases and fatalities accelerate in Mexico. The country suffers from severe restrictions on it's testing capacity and the government estimates actual cases are now closer to 26,000 rather than the 6,785 recorded so far.

They report 578 new cases and 60 new fatalities in last 24 hours.

As sure as night follows day it can't be long before Trump eyes the situation there as a distraction for his base.