Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

froog · 17-04-2020 03:59PM

Inquitus wrote: »

Trump has gone full retard:

i mean its not unreasonable to think that trump could actually start a civil.

tobefrank321 · 17-04-2020 04:00PM

Tony EH wrote: »

Taiwan was merely operating on an assumption, based on their experience with SARS in 2003 and they queried this with the WHO on Dec 31st.

However, there were no facts involved that the WHO could work with.

In any case, they absolutely needed China's cooperation, because that was where the outbreak was. Causing ructions there would have meant China closing up and making things more difficult for the WHO than they already were.

Your head is stuck up Trump's arse.

Fortunately not.

AS for being stuck up arses, hows the Chinese Presidents?

fits · 17-04-2020 04:01PM

froog wrote: »

i mean its not unreasonable to think that trump could actually start a civil.

He will do anything to deflect attention from his managemnet of the crisis. I actually wouldnt put it past him to cause some aggression in run up to election, eg with China.

caveat emptor · 17-04-2020 04:01PM

Nobel prize winner who discovered HIV (a virus) saying virus could only have been created in a lab.

https://www.gilmorehealth.com/chinese-coronavirus-is-a-man-made-virus-according-to-luc-montagnier-the-man-who-discovered-hiv/

growleaves · 17-04-2020 04:03PM

"So far, no transmission of the virus in supermarkets, restaurants or hairdressers has been proved.” - German virologist

“There is no significant risk of catching the disease when you go shopping. Severe outbreaks of the infection were always a result of people being closer together over a longer period of time, for example the après- ski parties in Ischgl, Austria.” He could also not find any evidence of ‘living’ viruses on surfaces. “When we took samples from door handles, phones or toilets it has not been possible to cultivate the virus in the laboratory on the basis of these swabs….”

“To actually ‘get’ the virus it would be necessary that someone coughs into their hand, immediately touches a door knob and then straight after that another person grasps the handle and goes on to touches their face.” Streeck therefore believes that there is little chance of transmission through contact with so-called contaminated surfaces.

The fact that COVID 19 is a droplet infection and cannot be transmitted through the air had previously also been confirmed by virologist Christian Drosten of Berlin’s Charité. He had pointed out in an interview that coronavirus is extremely sensitive to drying out, so the only way of contracting it is if you were to “inhale the droplets.”

JP100 · 17-04-2020 04:03PM

Ficheall wrote: »

The idea was to avoid having to leave the house and risk infection in the supermarkets etc...

It's a totally moot point as unless you are very high risk you will untimately have to leave the house as this virus is here to stay untill a vaccine arrives which doesn't look like happening anytime soon. I haven't personally visited a supermarket myself in over a month and I've managed to do it without stockpiling or buying an additional freezer and 3 months worth of food.

Professor Moriarty · 17-04-2020 04:05PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Which countries? Taiwan? Slovenia? Norway?

Is this a race to the bottom?

You said this:

Instead they were condemned to a needless death because of HSE and government failures and inaction.

The point you missed is that the government and HSE's performance in this regard is on a par with other countries. It doesn't suit your agenda I know, but the government/HSE's performance isn't an outlier.

froog · 17-04-2020 04:10PM

fits wrote: »

He will do anything to deflect attention from his managemnet of the crisis. I actually wouldnt put it past him to cause some aggression in run up to election, eg with China.

there are definitely going to be a lot of those q anon nutters taking those tweets as a sign to start forming militias and shooting up ****.

Kermit.de.frog · 17-04-2020 04:10PM

Inquitus wrote: »

Trump has gone full retard:

'Ladies and gentlemen, the President of the United States'

caveat emptor · 17-04-2020 04:11PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Nobel prize winner who discovered HIV (a virus) saying virus could only have been created in a lab.

https://www.gilmorehealth.com/chinese-coronavirus-is-a-man-made-virus-according-to-luc-montagnier-the-man-who-discovered-hiv/

Did a quick check on the guy. Seems to check out.

“With my colleague, bio-mathematician Jean-Claude Perez, we carefully analyzed the description of the genome of this RNA virus,” explains Luc Montagnier, interviewed by Dr Jean-François Lemoine for the daily podcast at Pourquoi Docteur, adding that others have already explored this avenue: Indian researchers have already tried to publish the results of the analyses that showed that this coronavirus genome contained sequences of another virus, … the HIV virus (AIDS virus), but they were forced to withdraw their findings as the pressure from the mainstream was too great.

froog · 17-04-2020 04:16PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Nobel prize winner who discovered HIV (a virus) saying virus could only have been created in a lab.

https://www.gilmorehealth.com/chinese-coronavirus-is-a-man-made-virus-according-to-luc-montagnier-the-man-who-discovered-hiv/

quick google of this guy shows he went rogue about 10 years ago, claiming all sorts of nonsense about DNA emitting electromagnetic radiation and seeming to support central ideas from homeopathy, one of the most bull**** pseudo sciences known to man. he's also 87 now so take anything he says with a large truckload of salt.

Tokyo · 17-04-2020 04:17PM

Tony EH wrote: »

Oh shut up.

Tony EH wrote: »

Ignore what you want. Nobody gives a shit.

But you're still talking bollocks.

Tony EH wrote: »

I've no interest in your bollocks talk.

Mod: @Tony EH - Take 24 hours off from the thread. Reassess your posting style.

Professor Moriarty · 17-04-2020 04:17PM

froog wrote: »

quick google of this guy shows he went rogue about 10 years ago, claiming all sorts of nonsense about DNA emitting electromagnetic radiation and seeming to support cetral ideas from homeopathy, one of the most bull**** pseudo sciences known to man. he's also 87 now so take anything he says with a large truckload of salt.

Looks like a serial killer's mugshot.

briany · 17-04-2020 04:19PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Nobel prize winner who discovered HIV (a virus) saying virus could only have been created in a lab.

https://www.gilmorehealth.com/chinese-coronavirus-is-a-man-made-virus-according-to-luc-montagnier-the-man-who-discovered-hiv/

Luc Montagnier appears to be something of a maverick in his researches. He's also published studies which buoy up homeopathy and 'teleporting' DNA.

Point being that I can't discount the idea of Covid-19 being man-made, but I can't really accept one scientist's opinion as the smoking gun, either, and not from one who's published other studies which have generated scepticism in the wider scientific community.

The idea that this is a theory that is being suppressed by the mainstream media - if the mainstream news media were to give fair airing to every theory of why Covid-19 exists, they'd have no other programmes on TV.

tobefrank321 · 17-04-2020 04:20PM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

You said this:

Instead they were condemned to a needless death because of HSE and government failures and inaction.

The point you missed is that the government and HSE's performance in this regard is on a par with other countries. It doesn't suit your agenda I know, but the government/HSE's performance isn't an outlier.

Nope, if you've been following this, you'd realise we missed a number of opportunities to firstly stop it coming into Ireland significantly, to stop its spread once here and to prepare nursing homes. We had weeks of notice about nursing homes from Italy, Spain and UK.

We cannot use the excuse of hindsight is great, and we also cannot use the excuse that we are on a par with nations who were weeks ahead of us.

Now why on earth do we want to compare ourselves to nations who also made a balls of it? Is this how you live your life, comparing to the worst practice not the best?

10000maniacs · 17-04-2020 04:21PM

lawred2 wrote: »

hysterics - dying because of an illness in prison is not a death sentence

It is a death sentence if you are not given the choice to self isolate and then die of the virus.
What if this happened to somebody with a wrongful conviction?

caveat emptor · 17-04-2020 04:25PM

froog wrote: »

quick google of this guy shows he went rogue about 10 years ago, claiming all sorts of nonsense about DNA emitting electromagnetic radiation and seeming to support central ideas from homeopathy, one of the most bull**** pseudo sciences known to man. he's also 87 now so take anything he says with a large truckload of salt.

I don't like to judge a book by it's cover but he does look crazy. Good to know.

rossie1977 · 17-04-2020 04:25PM

Clearly a virus closely related to SARS AND Mers which have been problematic over past 15-16 years could only have been created in a lab.

schmoo2k · 17-04-2020 04:26PM

rossie1977 wrote: »

Clearly a virus closely related to SARS AND Mers which have been problematic over past 15-16 years could only have been created in a lab.

Why? (not that clear to me)

stephenjmcd · 17-04-2020 04:27PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

'Ladies and gentlemen, the President of the United States'

Its gets better
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1251181563506757632?s=19

RobertKK · 17-04-2020 04:27PM

If it came from the lab, it would have been accidental. China have been studying bat coronaviruses in Wuhan and the US cables from China did state the facility there in Wuhan had potential biosecurity issues, but nothing was seemingly done to rectify the issues.

10000maniacs · 17-04-2020 04:29PM

rossie1977 wrote: »

Clearly a virus closely related to SARS AND Mers which have been problematic over past 15-16 years could only have been created in a lab.

You don't believe in that evolution mumbo jumbo? Or that spherical Earth nonsense either?

DOCARCH · 17-04-2020 04:30PM

Confirmed deaths worldwide now at 150,000.

Michael Dwyer · 17-04-2020 04:31PM

froog wrote: »

quick google of this guy shows he went rogue about 10 years ago, claiming all sorts of nonsense about DNA emitting electromagnetic radiation and seeming to support central ideas from homeopathy, one of the most bull**** pseudo sciences known to man. he's also 87 now so take anything he says with a large truckload of salt.

I take issue with saying someone talks nonsense because they're 87. David Attenborough is 94 next month, no problem with his mind.

DOCARCH · 17-04-2020 04:31PM

Italy: +3,493 new cases/+575 additional deaths.

New cases down a bit on yesterday and additional deaths up a little on yesterday.

Ficheall · 17-04-2020 04:31PM

JP100 wrote: »

It's a totally moot point as unless you are very high risk you will untimately have to leave the house as this virus is here to stay untill a vaccine arrives which doesn't look like happening anytime soon. I haven't personally visited a supermarket myself in over a month and I've managed to do it without stockpiling or buying an additional freezer and 3 months worth of food.

How is it a moot point? Reducing exposure means reducing the risk of infection. I know I'll have to run the gauntlet eventually, but there's no point in doing so prematurely...

Alf Veedersane · 17-04-2020 04:32PM

10000maniacs wrote: »

It is a death sentence if you are not given the choice to self isolate and then die of the virus.
What if this happened to somebody with a wrongful conviction?

They are being given the chance to self isolate. 1200 are and another 4000 to be released on a temporary licence.

Michael Dwyer · 17-04-2020 04:33PM

10000maniacs wrote: »

It is a death sentence if you are not given the choice to self isolate and then die of the virus.
What if this happened to somebody with a wrongful conviction?

Johnny Cash has returned.

Rob A. Bank · 17-04-2020 04:33PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Its gets better
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1251181563506757632?s=19

Tonight's stand up comedy show from the White House could be a good one... unless someone slips some anti-psychotics into his coffee. :rolleyes:

stephenjmcd · 17-04-2020 04:33PM

DOCARCH wrote: »

Italy: +3,493 new cases/+575 additional deaths.

New cases down a bit on yesterday and additional deaths up a little on yesterday.

Italy very steady at the moment and quite postive in other aspects.
Italy's update:

- Number of new cases down
- Number of new deaths up
- Number of hospitalized down
- Number of ICU patients down
- Number of new tests at record high
- Number of newly recovered people up

Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

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