Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

tigger123 · 17-04-2020 01:33PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

If you are hoping to get the truth from the HSE briefings you will be waiting.

They are an exercise in obfuscation and communication management, aided by journalists who wouldn't know a tough question if their life depended on it.

You should get in there, show everyone how it's done. You're wasted here.

Tony EH · 17-04-2020 01:33PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Wow, cursing in every post now are we? No attempt at an intelligent argument?

And yet more.

walshb · 17-04-2020 01:33PM

Airports:

Is it still possible that people can fly on non-essential travel from Ireland?

Not in Kansas · 17-04-2020 01:34PM

s1ippy wrote: »

They shout over my hedge at each other and I'm in and around my back garden almost all the time. If that's what you take from my post you're doing some serious wriggling to be in denial.

I'm sorry but I prefer to go on facts from reliable sources rather than things you have managed to hear being shouted over your hedge.

Hector Savage · 17-04-2020 01:35PM

Jesus don't look at the Sun website, they say 40k dead in UK in this wave - and this wave is the 1st of 9 ....

Christ I swear some journalists are loving this

Professor Moriarty · 17-04-2020 01:37PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Parroting liars without question at the outbreak of a potentially lethal pandemic was hardly a good idea.

Sounds like the WHO didn't bother with even the most basic checks to see if the Chinese were telling the truth.

But hey it was only one of the most costly pandemics in history, why bother with a few checks. Easier just to parrot what you were told.

Sounds like. Here is a report from the WHO's joint mission to China in February.

"The Joint Mission consisted of 25 national and international experts from China, Germany, Japan, Korea, Nigeria, Russia, Singapore, the United States of America and the World Health Organization (WHO)."

ednwireland · 17-04-2020 01:37PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Ah FFS.

It was blatantly obvious all the Chinese figures were lies. Even people in Wuhan were saying that before a number of them were forcefully disappeared. A number of whistleblowers have still not been heard from. That alone tells you there was a cover up going on.

It appears to be contained in Wuhan but believing only 2500 people died there or that there was 85000 cases is almost laughable.

WHO just parrot unquestionably what the Chinese tell them to do. They've become complete puppets of the Chinese to the point its hard to know the difference between the two at this stage.

The Chinese said there was no person to person transmission, the WHO don't bother even checking for themselves. It took the Taiwanese to call bullsh*t on that one. The Chinese say banning Chinese travellers is a bad idea, the WHO announce the same. More bullsh*t.

yeh blame the WHO, there was a WHO doctor yesterday who was saying that you cant go into places all heavy handed as the WHO has no actual powers. so they have to tread very carefully and hope they can get a feeling for whats going on even if they arent shown the real figures.

if they try throwing there weight around they get kicked out and get nothing.

as far as i can see the WHO did as good a job as they were allowed

The HSE did a good job prepping hospitals and completely dropped the ball on nursing homes as far as i can see

tobefrank321 · 17-04-2020 01:38PM

Mic 1972 wrote: »

You can compare different countries when the number of testing per million is also in the same range. Basic statistic

Agreed. Next we'll be told we are doing far better than San Marino, the Faroes and the Vatican!

We are not doing well compared to a number of countries of similar size both in Europe and worldwide. We are doing far worse than a number of far bigger countries like Taiwan and South Korea.

We are roughly equivalent to the US per capita, even though they have a monumentally more difficult task with internal air travel, larger and numerous cities.

We aren't doing great at all.

Professor Moriarty · 17-04-2020 01:39PM

ednwireland wrote: »

yeh blame the WHO, there was a WHO doctor yesterday who was saying that you cant go into places all heavy handed as the WHO has no actual powers. so they have to tread very carefully and hope they can get a feeling for whats going on even if they arent shown the real figures.

if they try throwing there weight around they get kicked out and get nothing.

as far as i can see the WHO did as good a job as they were allowed

The HSE did a good job prepping hospitals and completely dropped the ball on nursing homes as far as i can see

Nursing home deaths are on a par with other countries.

SweetCaliber · 17-04-2020 01:42PM

Cops stopping nearly all buses on O'Connell street today but still way too many people out, looks like a normal Saturday with the crowds on the webcam today.

tobefrank321 · 17-04-2020 01:42PM

ednwireland wrote: »

yeh blame the WHO, there was a WHO doctor yesterday who was saying that you cant go into places all heavy handed as the WHO has no actual powers. so they have to tread very carefully and hope they can get a feeling for whats going on even if they arent shown the real figures.

if they try throwing there weight around they get kicked out and get nothing.

as far as i can see the WHO did as good a job as they were allowed

The HSE did a good job prepping hospitals and completely dropped the ball on nursing homes as far as i can see

They didn't though. They've made numerous mistakes particularly at the start.

The start of a pandemic is the most important phase. Everything you do after that is the result of a good or bad start, as we found out in Ireland. You make a bad start and it goes downhill from there.

hotmail.com · 17-04-2020 01:42PM

Do people think their clothes from Penneys are produced by well paid workers?

This Keelings thing is a load of rubbish.

JP Liz V1 · 17-04-2020 01:43PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

https://www.irishcentral.com/news/new-drug-covid19

Some positive news on clinical data about Remdesivir

Is UHG trialling some drugs on Covid19 patients here?

Mic 1972 · 17-04-2020 01:45PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Agreed. Next we'll be told we are doing far better than San Marino, the Faroes and the Vatican!

We are not doing well compared to a number of countries of similar size both in Europe and worldwide. We are doing far worse than a number of far bigger countries like Taiwan and South Korea.

We are roughly equivalent to the US per capita, even though they have a monumentally more difficult task with internal air travel, larger and numerous cities.

We aren't doing great at all.

Correct 100%
Comparisons can be done when using the appropriate metrics and they help put things into perspective. A few weeks ago we looked at Italy as the worst possible place to be in, now we are pretty much in the same position as them, are we are already talking about easing the restrictions

lawred2 · 17-04-2020 01:45PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Parroting liars without question at the outbreak of a potentially lethal pandemic was hardly a good idea.

Sounds like the WHO didn't bother with even the most basic checks to see if the Chinese were telling the truth.

But hey it was only one of the most costly pandemics in history, why bother with a few checks. Easier just to parrot what you were told.

Would you expect the WHO to distrust all nations? Or just ones on your list?

tobefrank321 · 17-04-2020 01:45PM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Sounds like. Here is a report from the WHO's joint mission to China in February.

"The Joint Mission consisted of 25 national and international experts from China, Germany, Japan, Korea, Nigeria, Russia, Singapore, the United States of America and the World Health Organization (WHO)."

February?

By February it had already spread worldwide.

What good was a report then?

smelly sock · 17-04-2020 01:46PM

Am i sensing that posters are coming to the conclusion Trump was correct to suspend funding to the WHO?

Tony EH · 17-04-2020 01:46PM

ednwireland wrote: »

yeh blame the WHO, there was a WHO doctor yesterday who was saying that you cant go into places all heavy handed as the WHO has no actual powers. so they have to tread very carefully and hope they can get a feeling for whats going on even if they arent shown the real figures.

if they try throwing there weight around they get kicked out and get nothing.

as far as i can see the WHO did as good a job as they were allowed

Exactly.

The World Health Organisation has their hands tied in many respects. They have to play a careful diplomatic game with countries like China and they cannot just go around all bullish and calling nations liars, especially when they are the originator of a pandemic that may turn into a worldwide problem and the organisation needs access to that nation to ascertain their own factual information.

If the WHO had said in January that they thought China were a bunch of spoofers, they would have been severely marginalised and our situation would have been WORSE, not better.

hmmm · 17-04-2020 01:47PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

They didn't though. They've made numerous mistakes particularly at the start.

The start of a pandemic is the most important phase. Everything you do after that is the result of a good or bad start, as we found out in Ireland. You make a bad start and it goes downhill from there.

The WHO was reporting on this for months, it was up to countries whether or not they followed their advice.

I remember the WHO team were the first team to get access to China, and produced a report shortly afterwards. I remember the press conference from the team afterwards - a really good presentation of the facts as they were known at the time. Bruce Aylward told every country that they would have to do what China did, and few believed him - and he was right.

Trump and his band of followers are trying to spin this as the WHO's "fault", because he sat on his hands for nearly 2 months hoping this would disappear. It's the fault of the US that they elected a moron as President, and now they are going to pay the price.

It's clear also that the government & HSE here started taking this seriously very early. There was a monumental amount of planning done early, and while they didn't predict everything they have got an awful lot right.

lawred2 · 17-04-2020 01:47PM

smelly sock wrote: »

Am i sensing that posters are coming to the conclusion Trump was correct to suspend funding to the WHO?

Well some posters think everything Trump does is correct. Is that supposed to mean something?

What do you think about suspending funding to the only global health authority during a pandemic with no known vaccine?

Professor Moriarty · 17-04-2020 01:48PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

February?

By February it had already spread worldwide.

What good was a report then?

Very important data collated. Very important report disseminated worldwide. But I doubt you're capable of admitting you were wrong.

tobefrank321 · 17-04-2020 01:48PM

walshb wrote: »

Airports:

Is it still possible that people can fly on non-essential travel from Ireland?

Only ever an advisory so likely yes. I don't believe you have to prove what your business is for flying (as for example at a garda checkpoint).

But if anyone has information otherwise, it would be great to hear it.

I have no problems with medics coming in so long as they first isolate for two weeks if coming from a hotspot. But ordinary passengers, that's a different story.

Truth is we don't actually know who is coming in or going out. Its not information that is published.

Professor Moriarty · 17-04-2020 01:50PM

lawred2 wrote: »

Well some posters think everything Trump does is correct. Is that supposed to mean something?

What do you think about suspending funding to the only global health authority during a pandemic with no known vaccine?

Good news! Despite the Orange One's 'look over there' tantrum, Bill Gates stepped in this week and gave $120 million to WHO.

tobefrank321 · 17-04-2020 01:51PM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Very important data collated. Very important report disseminated worldwide. But I doubt you're capable of admitting you were wrong.

Collated by the 20th February according to the report and distributed worldwide at the end of February.

Horse, door, bolted.

hotmail.com · 17-04-2020 01:52PM

smelly sock wrote: »

Am i sensing that posters are coming to the conclusion Trump was correct to suspend funding to the WHO?

We want to hear less about Trump.

Professor Moriarty · 17-04-2020 01:52PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Collated by the 20th February according to the report and distributed worldwide at the end of February.

Horse, door, bolted.

Sure.

Tony EH · 17-04-2020 01:53PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Collated by the 20th February according to the report and distributed worldwide at the end of February.

Horse, door, bolted.

Oh shut up.

We're STILL in the early days of this thing and there's a ton we still don't know. Any facts that can be collated are vital.

tobefrank321 · 17-04-2020 01:54PM

Hector Savage wrote: »

Jesus don't look at the Sun website, they say 40k dead in UK in this wave - and this wave is the 1st of 9 ....

Christ I swear some journalists are loving this

They are only quoting experts, particularly the expert who said they could expect 8-9 waves.

What do you want them to do, ignore it, not publish it, put on the red and white jersey and tell everyone its grand?

hmmm · 17-04-2020 01:54PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

February?

By February it had already spread worldwide.

What good was a report then?

No-one knew at the time that it had spread worldwide Captain Hindsight.

Because that was when the WHO were allowed access to China. If I remember correctly, the US CDC were denied access because the great orange one was crap at diplomacy. The WHO report was quickly published and most countries (with the exception of the US) started preparing on the back of it.

Professor Moriarty · 17-04-2020 01:55PM

smelly sock wrote: »

Am i sensing that posters are coming to the conclusion Trump was correct to suspend funding to the WHO?

Only the cretinous ones.

Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

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