Bulgarian workers/Keelings - read OP (threadbans listed)

Tenzor07 · 17-04-2020 01:07PM

Cuir_Cosc_Orm wrote: »

Look at who's besties with Kealings eating their strawberries. Strawberry bribery!

OMG, 5 years ago! The Smoking gun has been found! I'm sure your employers are delighted you're working so hard while being paid to work from home on a company laptop....

Dufflecoat Fanny · 17-04-2020 01:08PM

Can't be sure if it's real yet

completedit · 17-04-2020 01:09PM

Melanchthon wrote: »

Because if they are actually vital to secure our food supply the government should be pulling out all the plugs to get people already resident in Ireland to take up the jobs as our food supply is at stake because countries could easily restrict travel as they don't want a load of their citizens coming back with the virus.

This isn't happening though which means either the government is risking our food supply or the workers are needed for things that aren't actually vital considering construction shut down despite being a bigger section of the economy than fruit and veg.

Both these things can't be true at the same time

Agreed. Interesting way of looking at it. I'd say, adapt to that situation when it happens though. But that might be a lack of forward thinking but realistically Bulgaria is in the EU, so it won't happen.

Melanchthon · 17-04-2020 01:09PM

Graham wrote: »

We should be conscripting fruit pickers at a national level?

It's an interesting idea.

Well according to you it's vital for Irish food supplies that we have these pickers, if it's vital we should not be dependent on being flown in when the origin country could easily add restrictions on travel.
And I didn't say conscription I would say allow wage to be claimed as well as covid19 payment.

So either it's vital or it's not, it can't be vital to our food supply but also not worth incentivising residents taking the work when there is possible travel restrictions

17-04-2020 01:10PM

The fella on the Reddit AMA said that the Bulgarian workers are invited back over. Did he say when this invitation goes out?

Melanchthon · 17-04-2020 01:11PM

completedit wrote: »

Agreed. Interesting way of looking at it.

Yeah I have the feeling that some posters here have an interest in Keeling's operations because if it was actually about food security they would be all for incentives to national residents taking the work

Alrigghtythen · 17-04-2020 01:11PM

Dufflecoat Fanny wrote: »

Can't be sure if it's real yet

So now were stalking them, this will end well

Tenzor07 · 17-04-2020 01:11PM

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

The fella on the Reddit AMA said that the Bulgarian workers are invited back over. Did he say when this invitation goes out?

Are you concerned for your continued existence Mr. Milkshake?

RobertKK · 17-04-2020 01:14PM

I feel sorry for these workers, they come here to do an honest job and I am sure they do not want this media coverage.

Tacitus Kilgore · 17-04-2020 01:16PM

RobertKK wrote: »

I feel sorry for these workers, they come here to do an honest job and I am sure they do not want this media coverage.

There will be attacks on them next,

einn32 · 17-04-2020 01:16PM

Melanchthon wrote: »

Yeah I have the feeling that some posters here have an interest in Keeling's operations because if it was actually about food security they would be all for incentives to national residents taking the work

But you get paid to do the work? The wages are the incentive.

blinding · 17-04-2020 01:16PM

RobertKK wrote: »

I feel sorry for these workers, they come here to do an honest job and I am sure they do not want this media coverage.

They May Dream of Hollywood !

wuutlol · 17-04-2020 01:17PM

RobertKK wrote: »

I feel sorry for these workers, they come here to do an honest job and I am sure they do not want this media coverage.

They don’t. I believe none of them have come to Ireland with the intent to make anyone feel bad or abandoned by their government while staying at home on COVID-19 payments.

mgn · 17-04-2020 01:18PM

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

Haha :pac: never spent a day on a fruit farm did ye?

Brought up on farm so know all about picking spuds and pulling carrots and turnips and as i said, tiring work and a sore back in evening but not hard work.

A day in the bog was an awful lot harder.

Donald Trump · 17-04-2020 01:19PM

Melanchthon wrote: »

Yeah I have the feeling that some posters here have an interest in Keeling's operations because if it was actually about food security they would be all for incentives to national residents taking the work

There is an incentive called a wage.

In fact, it is protected so that it must be a minimum amount (except in certain circumstances, none of which appear to apply here)

Yet even in the height of the recession after the last bust, the people harvesting your fruit and veg were mainly foreigners. And have been for the past 20 years or more. I knew fellas 25 years ago when the foreign labour started to appear who used to swear that they'd never hire a foreigner for that work......turned out that most had no other option eventually.

LuasSimon · 17-04-2020 01:19PM

Rich companies to increase profits further will go to the poorest parts of the EU to get the most desperate citizens in rural Bulgaria or rural Romania to avoid paying reasonable rates to locals for the work involved.
The Keelings are following the Larry Goodman model where he has changed the idea of a reasonably well paid job in the meat factories on the meat lines killing cattle to a job only the desperate of Lithuania or Latvia will do for minimum wage.

laguacamaya · 17-04-2020 01:20PM

Well, all we know at this point is that when they arrive to these infamous strawberry fields, they're gonna quickly realize that nothing is real...And really nothing to get hung about....

Melanchthon · 17-04-2020 01:20PM

einn32 wrote: »

But you get paid to do the work? The wages are the incentive.

My point is that if it's actually about food security we should be trying our hardest to get residents into the jobs which could be incentivised, because then we actually have food security.
Having to fly in people from Eastern Europe when travel restrictions could appear is not secure.

Those making argument that it's about food security don't make argument about incentives for residents to take the work so it's not actually about food security.

If people got used to a higher wage doing the job it would be harder to drop in the future.

bucketybuck · 17-04-2020 01:20PM

I'd give a **** about this if I didn't know that it would be a cold day in hell before those most outraged about it would ever get off their fat arses and spend a single day working in a field.

Sanctimonious horse**** if you ask me.

Donald Trump · 17-04-2020 01:22PM

mgn wrote: »

Brought up on farm so know all about picking spuds and pulling carrots and turnips and as i said, tiring work and a sore back in evening but not hard work.

A day in the bog was an awful harder.

Working on your own farm or helping out a relative is different to telling us that you went labouring on one by choice as an adult.

How successful do you think that you would be if you went into the local village and looked for college aged students to come and work for you for the entire summer on the bog? How about fellas in their late 20s or 30s who got laid off from their sales job due to corona?

Be honest

17-04-2020 01:22PM

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Are you concerned for your continued existence Mr. Milkshake?

Damn right. Need some flavour to bring dem boys to the yard.

17-04-2020 01:22PM

LuasSimon wrote: »

Rich companies to increase profits further will go to the poorest parts of the EU to get the most desperate citizens in rural Bulgaria or rural Romania to avoid paying reasonable rates to locals for the work involved. .

They pay minimum wage.
If the Irish don't want to work for it, that's up to them, plenty are happy to earn that money

jimmycrackcorm · 17-04-2020 01:23PM

A good response to this:

https://twitter.com/sharonlambert0/status/1251103738904940544?s=19

Tacitus Kilgore · 17-04-2020 01:23PM

mgn wrote: »

Brought up on farm so know all about picking spuds and pulling carrots and turnips and as i said, tiring work and a sore back in evening but not hard work.

A day in the bog was an awful harder.

Commercial harvesting is nothing like picking spuds, carrots or turnips on the family farm, nothing like it at all. Even a day footing turf is a holiday by comparison, seriously - you haven't experienced it.

The producers know exactly how many kg/punnets/etc. of produce a person can handle working at full speed over a set period of time, it's relentless work. Hardest I've ever done, by a longshot.

Alrigghtythen · 17-04-2020 01:23PM

Melanchthon wrote: »

My point is that if it's actually about food security we should be trying our hardest to get residents into the jobs which could be incentivised, because then we actually have food security.
Having to fly in people from Eastern Europe when travel restrictions could appear is not secure.

Those making argument that it's about food security don't make argument about incentives for residents to take the work so it's not actually about food security.

If people got used to a higher wage doing the job it would be harder to drop in the future.

The people currently doing the work are not getting the free 350 from the government. We should add that to all key food workers wages.

17-04-2020 01:24PM

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

There will be attacks on them next,

Jeez I hope not. This isn’t the workers fault in any shape or form.

Donald Trump · 17-04-2020 01:25PM

LuasSimon wrote: »

Rich companies to increase profits further will go to the poorest parts of the EU to get the most desperate citizens in rural Bulgaria or rural Romania to avoid paying reasonable rates to locals for the work involved.
The Keelings are following the Larry Goodman model where he has changed the model of a reasonably well paid job in the meat factories on the meat lines killing cattle to a job only the desperate of Lithuania or Latvia will do for minimum wage.

Goodman is a processor. His company does have feedlots but that is only to keep prices down. He pushes prices down on the producer, and if he gets the chance, he will source his product elsewhere (there was a shipment of polish beef imported for processing recently at the same time there was a shortage in UK supermarkets and the prices in Ireland were collapsing)

Keelings do apparently at least grow (some of) their own produce.

Tacitus Kilgore · 17-04-2020 01:27PM

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

Jeez I hope not. This isn’t the workers fault in any shape or form.

Get enough peoples backs up and it will, bare in mind there is a xenophobic angle that can be exploited here - you can see it on thread even.

Neyite · 17-04-2020 01:28PM

Graham wrote: »

We should be conscripting fruit pickers at a national level?

It's an interesting idea.

But fruit has a short shelf life. It would all rot in the fields while Yer Wan is hiding in the green house with a fag crying over her ruined gel nails and Yer Man is screaming the place down at the sight of a worm.

Could be an excellent reality TV show though!

Teza · 17-04-2020 01:31PM

I will never buy a keeling product again

Bulgarian workers/Keelings - read OP (threadbans listed)

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