Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

Mic 1972 · 17-04-2020 12:54PM

bodhrandude wrote: »

how many times are you going to post this today? this is the 3rd time

eagle eye · 17-04-2020 12:55PM

Mic 1972 wrote:

how many times are you going to post this today? this is the 3rd time

Maybe you need to take a break from the thread?

Rob A. Bank · 17-04-2020 12:55PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Big problem there is the huge financial cost to the State for unlawful arrest never mind the very strong likelihood you'd have rioting!

If people are told before they fly or boat to Ireland, that they must pay for their 2 week quarantine in an airport hotel, rioting would be very unlikely.

It would be relatively cost neutral for the state and the hotels could do with the business.

That is the preventive measure other countries use.

Mic 1972 · 17-04-2020 12:57PM

Iamabeliever wrote: »

Why don't you compare us to Iceland? They have terrible cases per million?

The reason why some countries were left out of his analysis is due to the population size. Ireland was put in the same list as countries with million plus population

Mic 1972 · 17-04-2020 12:58PM

eagle eye wrote: »

Maybe you need to take a break from the thread?

or maybe people should stop spamming

Iamabeliever · 17-04-2020 12:59PM

is_that_so wrote: »

It's not really known, that's ICU and hospital stuff. IMO it's better to hear people have come out of ICU. You'd expect they'll get round to some random antibody testing and guessing how many were affected.

So if a simple pleb like me can't go on to worldometer and make a baseless opinion, how come everyone else can?

caveat emptor · 17-04-2020 01:00PM

is_that_so wrote: »

This is just not the right time for any of this. A contract was agreed in an extremely short time out of necessity. Who knows what terms were involved or why but crucially they did deliver an instant larger health system.

Let's agree to disagree. As a tax payer it's my right to see said contract. When you have a finance minister hiding behind a confidentiality clause in a contract you know something is amiss. Here's a comparison with UK private hospital deal.

The hospitals must have big windows because they saw us coming.

https://twitter.com/paulmurphy_TD/status/1251089584588558336?s=20

Mic 1972 · 17-04-2020 01:02PM

NDWC wrote: »

Why do people keep comparing Ireland to other countries in terms of cases and deaths per million population?

It's been established dozens of times that countries aren't comparable due to differences in testing and reporting of deaths

People seem to want to use these figures as a stick to beat Ireland with, it's bizarre

You can compare different countries when the number of testing per million is also in the same range. Basic statistic

bodhrandude · 17-04-2020 01:04PM

Mic 1972 wrote: »

or maybe people should stop spamming

You don't understand though, this guy should be given credit for injecting brilliant humour in amongst this misery porn, what's there not too like and stop being so serious.

Mwengwe · 17-04-2020 01:05PM

s1ippy wrote: »

Your experience is just as valid. I just think my road is a stark reminder what can happen when you or those you interact with have no respect for the measures.

With the good weather we've all been outside in our gardens. They are mostly family so they communicate through our hedge and over their back wall with the surrounding family members who live in six of the surrounding houses and a few more on the next road over. Our road is a cul de sac, so very easy to track movements. We can hear their comings and goings in neighbouring houses because they all have dogs that go ballistic every time anyone comes onto the road, can be heard from every room in our house.

I wish I weren't aware of their flouting of the rules. They'll probably know if we tell the Gardaí because we're the only house on the road who don't engage with them. I'd rather be a live cúnt than a polite corpse. Although the older woman next door was taken to hospital by ambulance this morning so the relevant authorities will likely be seeing the outcome of their flaunting of the rules in coming days if they're being hospitalised now.

My partner is on friendly terms with a couple with young kids who live at the end of the road. They are not related to the families and she texted yesterday to say that her family have a confirmed case and so does the elderly gent next door to them who also isn't a relative of the six houses.

I really believe and hope that this scenario is not indicative of the wider population but when this sh!t started happening in Wuhan they sealed people into their homes, welding the doors shut. Yet here they're free to head to work, the shops etc and that's what they're doing, and I would argue that even a few situations like this are what's going to cause Ireland to be overcome by cases.

OK i apologise for my earlier scepticism. One thing I will say, as someone who is living with people who are flouting the rules, coming and going, it's a distressing feeling and I worry that people/neighbours etc will lump me in with them when I'm as upset about it as they are. No getting through to some people.

Iamabeliever · 17-04-2020 01:05PM

Mic 1972 wrote: »

The reason why some countries were left out of his analysis is due to the population size. Ireland was put in the same list as countries with million plus population

But I don't understand how one can compare Italy(60m) v ireland(4.9m) which is roughly 12.5 times the difference in pop. But not compare ireland(4.9m) v Iceland (360k) which is roughly 13 times the difference. Do you see where I'm coming from? Or do you need tables and a YouTube video to convince you ðŸ˜‚

Hobgoblin11 · 17-04-2020 01:06PM

If we are following the bell shaped curve , I’m hoping that we are in the 9.2% quartile

smelly sock · 17-04-2020 01:07PM

Iamabeliever wrote: »

But I don't understand how one can compare Italy(60m) v ireland(4.9m) which is roughly 12.5 times the difference in pop. But not compare ireland(4.9m) v Iceland (360k) which is roughly 13 times the difference. Do you see where I'm coming from? Or do you need tables and a YouTube video to convince you ðŸ˜‚

A graph with some nice colours.

Iamabeliever · 17-04-2020 01:07PM

Mic 1972 wrote: »

You can compare different countries when the number of testing per million is also in the same range. Basic statistic

*Cough

Mic 1972 · 17-04-2020 01:09PM

Iamabeliever wrote: »

But I don't understand how one can compare Italy(60m) v ireland(4.9m) which is roughly 12.5 times the difference in pop. But not compare ireland(4.9m) v Iceland (360k) which is roughly 13 times the difference. Do you see where I'm coming from? Or do you need tables and a YouTube video to convince you &#55357;&#56834;

If you want o include Iceland fell free, no need to attack me :-) I'm only explaining what i think is the logic behind the analysis presented in the video. This is not a competition game, it's a way to assess where we stand with the current infection rate

Tony EH · 17-04-2020 01:11PM

wakka12 wrote: »

So china literally admits the death toll until now in its epicentre was underrepresented by half . Unbelievable that WHO bare face lied to the world saying there's no reason to believe china lied about its figures and that they seemed legitimate

How is it a "lie" if the WHO didn't know themselves. They only have what China was reporting at the time...like the rest of us. They don't have crystal balls.

Stop talking shite.

Iamabeliever · 17-04-2020 01:13PM

Mic 1972 wrote: »

If you want o include Iceland fell free, no need to attack me :-) I'm only explaining what i think is the logic behind the analysis presented in the video. This is not a competition game, it's a way to assess where we stand with the current infection rate

Through debate and good humour ðŸ˜†

wakka12 · 17-04-2020 01:15PM

Tony EH wrote: »

How is it a "lie" if the WHO didn't know themselves. They only have what China was reporting at the time...like the rest of us. They don't have crystal balls.

Stop talking shite.

No, WHO sent a team to CHIna to investigate whether the figures released from China seemed legitimate based hospital records, number of patients, and many other factors. And they said it all looked legit

https://news.sky.com/story/world-health-organisation-heads-for-china-to-investigate-coronavirus-11934450
This team of experts in epidemiology didnt recognise that half of all deaths in Wuhan had not even been reported?

tobefrank321 · 17-04-2020 01:17PM

I'm not convinced the HSE/CMO/Nolan have a clue what the community case numbers are. To do that you need rapid turnaround of tests. There are anecdotally and also proven examples (eg Mary Lou) of people waiting up to 3 weeks for results and weeks to be even called for tests.

How they can form a judgement that community cases are rapidly declining is beyond me. If you don't test most community cases your model is obviously going to tell you there is a low R0, when the reality might be different.

Some of the journalists at the daily briefings need to take off the green jersey.

Christy42 · 17-04-2020 01:20PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

I'm not convinced the HSE/CMO/Nolan have a clue what the community case numbers are. To do that you need rapid turnaround of tests. There are anecdotally and also proven examples (eg Mary Lou) of people waiting up to 3 weeks for results and weeks to be even called for tests.

How they can form a judgement that community cases are rapidly declining is beyond me. If you don't test most community cases your model is obviously going to tell you there is a low R0, when the reality might be different.

Some of the journalists at the daily briefings need to take off the green jersey.

The plural of anecdote is not data.

I imagine the 3 weeks thing is shortening as those would have been part of the 40k backlog. As for testing. Well we are testing as much as nearly anyone else so if anyone would know it is us.

blade1 · 17-04-2020 01:23PM

Mic 1972 wrote: »

how many times are you going to post this today? this is the 3rd time

He posted here,
He posted here again,
He posted here,
He posted here again,
He posted here,
He posted here againnnnnnn..
Learning to post on boards .ie

iamwhoiam · 17-04-2020 01:23PM

https://www.irishcentral.com/news/new-drug-covid19

Some positive news on clinical data about Remdesivir

tobefrank321 · 17-04-2020 01:25PM

Tony EH wrote: »

How is it a "lie" if the WHO didn't know themselves. They only have what China was reporting at the time...like the rest of us. They don't have crystal balls.

Stop talking shite.

Ah FFS.

It was blatantly obvious all the Chinese figures were lies. Even people in Wuhan were saying that before a number of them were forcefully disappeared. A number of whistleblowers have still not been heard from. That alone tells you there was a cover up going on.

It appears to be contained in Wuhan but believing only 2500 people died there or that there was 85000 cases is almost laughable.

WHO just parrot unquestionably what the Chinese tell them to do. They've become complete puppets of the Chinese to the point its hard to know the difference between the two at this stage.

The Chinese said there was no person to person transmission, the WHO don't bother even checking for themselves. It took the Taiwanese to call bullsh*t on that one. The Chinese say banning Chinese travellers is a bad idea, the WHO announce the same. More bullsh*t.

Tony EH · 17-04-2020 01:28PM

wakka12 wrote: »

No, WHO sent a team to CHIna to investigate whether the figures released from China seemed legitimate based hospital records, number of patients, and many other factors. And they said it all looked legit

So what?

Unless the WHO instituted a regime of widespread testing THEMSELVES, they wouldn't know whether China's figures were correct or not.

The idea that the WHO were "lying" is horseshit.

They HAD to go on what China was telling them at the beginning, the same as everyone else.

tobefrank321 · 17-04-2020 01:28PM

Christy42 wrote: »

The plural of anecdote is not data.

I imagine the 3 weeks thing is shortening as those would have been part of the 40k backlog. As for testing. Well we are testing as much as nearly anyone else so if anyone would know it is us.

If you are hoping to get the truth from the HSE briefings you will be waiting.

They are an exercise in obfuscation and communication management, aided by journalists who wouldn't know a tough question if their life depended on it.

tigger123 · 17-04-2020 01:32PM

loobylou wrote: »

I crossed a land border from Cambodia into Vietnam at the end of January. Apart from the regular customs and immigration we were taken aside by staff in ppe, had our temperatures taken and were required to fill out an extensive form as to our recent health and travel movements. We were then given a cert to carry with our passports as proof of screening. Hotels we subsequently stayed at had closed gyms and swimming pools to prevent infection. Staff all wore masks (quite normal in Vietnam) and distancing was encouraged, eg you were asked to stand back a little from reception desk.
Point is, Vietnam were taking the threat seriously. When we got back into Dublin airport weeks later we didn’t even get a leaflet.

I passed from Vietnam to Cambodia about 4 years ago and they were doing the same kind of health screening, taking temperatures etc. Par for the course going between those 2 countries. Couldn't tell you why though.

Tony EH · 17-04-2020 01:32PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Ah FFS.

It was blatantly obvious all the Chinese figures were lies. Even people in Wuhan were saying that before a number of them were forcefully disappeared. A number of whistleblowers have still not been heard from. That alone tells you there was a cover up going on.

It appears to be contained in Wuhan but believing only 2500 people died there or that there was 85000 cases is almost laughable.

WHO just parrot unquestionably what the Chinese tell them to do. They've become complete puppets of the Chinese to the point its hard to know the difference between the two at this stage.

The Chinese said there was no person to person transmission, the WHO don't bother even checking for themselves. It took the Taiwanese to call bullsh*t on that one. The Chinese say banning Chinese travellers is a bad idea, the WHO announce the same. More bullsh*t.

Bollocks talk.

tobefrank321 · 17-04-2020 01:32PM

Tony EH wrote: »

So what?

Unless the WHO instituted a regime of widespread testing THEMSELVES, they wouldn't know whether China's figures were correct or not.

The idea that the WHO were "lying" is horseshit.

They HAD to go on what China was telling them at the beginning, the same as everyone else.

Parroting liars without question at the outbreak of a potentially lethal pandemic was hardly a good idea.

Sounds like the WHO didn't bother with even the most basic checks to see if the Chinese were telling the truth.

But hey it was only one of the most costly pandemics in history, why bother with a few checks. Easier just to parrot what you were told.

Tony EH · 17-04-2020 01:33PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Parroting liars without question at the outbreak of a potentially lethal pandemic was hardly a good idea.

Sounds like the WHO didn't bother with even the most basic checks to see if the Chinese were telling the truth.

But hey it was only one of the most costly pandemics in history, why bother with a few checks. Easier just to parrot what you were told.

More bollocks talk.

tobefrank321 · 17-04-2020 01:33PM

Tony EH wrote: »

Bollocks talk.

Wow, cursing in every post now are we? No attempt at an intelligent argument?

Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

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