Bulgarian workers/Keelings - read OP (threadbans listed)

Scotty # · 17-04-2020 11:38AM

FVP3 wrote: »

At that wage level.

Are these guys even paid minimum wage

Ahh jeez read the f'king thread will you!!! Most of these earn many multiples of minimum wage. They are highly experienced efficient fruit pickers who are paid in accordance with their output. Some of the really productive ones make huge money but it's very hard work.

17-04-2020 11:38AM

granturismo wrote: »

Fruit farms put up signs on main roads to look for staff over the past few weeks. If they cant get staff locally, they have to look elsewhere in the EU.

How are people supposed to discover this if we are on a lockdown?

gmisk · 17-04-2020 11:39AM

redunited wrote: »

How are people supposed to discover this if we are on a lockdown?

Also....use a website to advertise?
Like keelings did last month...

Donald Trump · 17-04-2020 11:39AM

redunited wrote: »

Shame they didnt go to the same trouble to find people in Ireland.

But of course, the Irish and Non Nationals living here who have done the job for years woke up yesterday and discovered they are too good for these jobs now.

:rolleyes:

Back in the day, I tried a few times to get schoolfriends jobs doing that kind of work. Most didn't last more than a day or two. The more diligent ones would just do it until they were able to get a job in a factory or a shop. Once they had the experience on the "CV" of working in a shop, they'd never go back to doing the manual work. I'd imagine that it would be magnitudes worse now. Telling a 17 year old they have to knuckle down and stop constantly checking their phone for at least the next 2-3 hours.

It can be evidenced on here by the people saying they did it when 12 or 13. There are none of them talking about doing it through college. The peak season for picking fruit and harvesting some veg would be the summer. I am sure that at least a few of those posting that stuff about doing it as teenagers are teachers. I haven't read one yet from a teacher who says they go picking fruit for someone else during their summer holidays.

jay0109 · 17-04-2020 11:39AM

whisky_galore wrote: »

Irish people by and large won't do the ****ty work, it's beneath them. They won't clean offices, clean toilets, kill and butcher cows, pigs or chickens, work on fishing boats, you'd hardly see any Irish making beds in hotels, behind the reception...you can add fruit picking to the list.

Some ppl are under the impression that freckle-faced sturdy Irish youths on their holidays are picking fruit, having corned beef sarnies and lashings of ginger beer on their break times, they're living in the last century.

If you said that about anyone else it would be racist.

Irish people well able to work...our system pays them more not to do so

17-04-2020 11:40AM

whisky_galore wrote: »

Irish people by and large won't do the ****ty work, it's beneath them. They won't clean offices, clean toilets, kill and butcher cows, pigs or chickens, work on fishing boats, you'd hardly see any Irish making beds in hotels, behind the reception...you can add fruit picking to the list.

Some ppl are under the impression that freckle-faced sturdy Irish youths on their holidays are picking fruit, having corned beef sarnies and lashings of ginger beer on their break times, they're living in the last century.

Ok, what about all the people who did the jobs last year?

Or, what about all the non nationals living here?

Beneath them too?

P.S, Id love to see the sample list of the poll you took to see if Irish and non nationals living here would refuse this work.

seamus · 17-04-2020 11:40AM

FVP3 wrote: »

At that wage level.

Are these guys even paid minimum wage

Yes, they're paid hourly minimum wage at a base rate (many even more than that again), and given performance bonusses based on how many KG of produce they pick in a day.

Pay deductions are made for food and board, as is legally permitted. The food & board provided is considerably cheaper than what would be available locally and thus living in the company-provided lodgings is the preferred option for most of these workers.

blinding · 17-04-2020 11:41AM

redunited wrote: »

How are people supposed to discover this if we are on a lockdown?

Pretend you are a Romanian / Bulgarian Strawberry Picker.

You’ll be On-Board before you know it ! !

josip · 17-04-2020 11:41AM

growleaves wrote: »

Fruit-picking is skilled work? How many years is the apprenticeship?

Some people have the skill, some don't, some can develop it over time.
I've seen pickers with 10 years of experience unable to pick fresh fruit (which is what we're discussing here) and could only do jam.
Whenever we needed good 'chips' or trays we knew which pickers to ask.
Slow and careful pickers weren't necessarily the best since they tended to overhandle the fruit.

17-04-2020 11:41AM

gmisk wrote: »

Also....use a website to advertise?
Like keelings did last month...

But we were just told the jobs are advertised on the sides of roads!

Donald Trump · 17-04-2020 11:42AM

masculinist wrote: »

The government could easily make it so the long term unemployed or those on a covid payment could take up seasonal work without it affecting their payments. Since the imported workers are not tax resident here it wouldn't cost the state anything.
Such a measure would be overwhelmed with applicants willing to make extra cash and get out of house arrest.
Locally produced food where the labour is flown around and back is not local and is not good for the planet under any circumstances.

Farmers love to import exploited labour doing 18 hour days and charge them hefty rents out of their meagre wages. How else would gombeenmen get high rents for bunk beds ten to a room in ballygobackwards ? I know an eastern European charged higher rent than Dublin out of his minimum wage to live in the middle of absolute nowhere sharing with many others
Its not anecdotal.

Your post is the definition of anecdotal dude. The fucking definition

plodder · 17-04-2020 11:42AM

redunited wrote: »

Seasonal work used to pay well at one time, that was before the flood gates of Eastern Europe opened up and Ireland became a capitalist society where profit was more important than community and way of life.

Like I said before, they found it hard to get people back in the 80's and that was long before "the flood gates of Eastern Europe opened up".

Just another observation. Irish people are certainly capable of hard work. I spent a few Summers in fruit processing factories in Holland and Germany doing work that the locals wouldn't do. In the German one, the factory employed only Irish Students as workers. It was quite well known and I wouldn't be surprised if posters here of my vintage know where I'm talking about.

So, Irish people haven't suddenly become lazy. They have become rich.

We are now like the Germans and Dutch of my youth and we are more choosy about the jobs we take.

gmisk · 17-04-2020 11:42AM

redunited wrote: »

But we were just told the jobs are advertised on the sides of roads!

You can advertise a job online as well.
There isn't a law saying you can only advertise in a sign by the side of a road.
People are still driving cars you know to get to work, supermarkets, picking up trampolines...you know the essentials.

Ioni 1985 · 17-04-2020 11:42AM

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-jobs-row-as-romanian-fruit-pickers-arrive-for-harvest-11974364
Same story, different nationality. Best explanation

whisky_galore · 17-04-2020 11:42AM

jay0109 wrote: »

If you said that about anyone else it would be racist.

Irish people well able to work...our system pays them more not to do so

Ah f off with your racist card, people forget Irish did ****ty spud picking and fish gutting in Scotland when THEY wouldn't do it! Times change, we got affluent.

17-04-2020 11:42AM

Seems to be a lot of goal post moving on this thread by those who support the explotation of workers and free movement of immigrants flown into Ireland.

blinding · 17-04-2020 11:42AM

jay0109 wrote: »

If you said that about anyone else it would be racist.

Irish people well able to work...our system pays them more not to do so

Run down the Irish = No Problem

Run down anyone else = Big Problem

17-04-2020 11:43AM

plodder wrote: »

Like I said before, they found it hard to get people back in the 80's and that was long before "the flood gates of Eastern Europe opened up".

Just another observation. Irish people are certainly capable of hard work. I spent a few Summers in fruit processing factories in Holland and Germany doing work that the locals wouldn't do. In the German one, the factory employed only Irish Students as workers. It was quite well known and I wouldn't be surprised if posters here of my vintage know where I'm talking about.

So, Irish people haven't suddenly become lazy. They have become rich.

We are now like the Germans and Dutch of my youth and we are more choosy about the jobs we take.

Yet the jobs were still mysteriously done? How did that happen?

17-04-2020 11:44AM

whisky_galore wrote: »

Ah f off with your racist card, people forget Irish did ****ty spud picking and fish gutting in Scotland when THEY wouldn't do it! Times change, we got affluent.

Who did these jobs last year, the year before that and so on?

blinding · 17-04-2020 11:45AM

redunited wrote: »

Seems to be a lot of goal post moving on this thread by those who support the explotation of workers and free movement of immigrants flown into Ireland.

The God of Cheap / Exploited Labour Must be Worshipped even when all other Worship is Outlawed ! !;);)

We now know what Reign’s Supreme in Ireland ! !:eek::eek:

whisky_galore · 17-04-2020 11:45AM

redunited wrote: »

Who did these jobs last year, the year before that and so on?

Who do you think?

17-04-2020 11:45AM

gmisk wrote: »

You can advertise a job online as well.
There isn't a law saying you can only advertise in a sign by the side of a road.
People are still driving cars you know to get to work, supermarkets, picking up trampolines...you know the essentials.

Hence my orional point, its a shame keelings put the effort into advertising these jobs as well as they did in Bulgaria.

I and everyone I know were unaware of these jobs, especiually during a lockdown and yet Bulgairans were found and interviewed for them.

thecomedian · 17-04-2020 11:46AM

blinding wrote: »

The God of Cheap / Exploited Labour Must be Worshipped even when all other Worship is Outlawed ! !;);)

We now know what Reign’s Supreme in Ireland ! !:eek::eek:

So your problem is now the cheap labour??

17-04-2020 11:47AM

blinding wrote: »

The God of Cheap / Exploited Labour Must be Worshipped even when all other Worship is Outlawed ! !;);)

We now know what Reign’s Supreme in Ireland ! !:eek::eek:

I wonder where there loyalty will be when taxes are ramped up to pay for the lockdowns and economic collapse we will see.

Maybe we could ship in some immigrants to do their jobs, afterall its all about profit and ensuring the job gets done.

Maybe they wont mind their jobs going to immigrants for half the salary!

Don that Green Jersey and all that gaff

whisky_galore · 17-04-2020 11:47AM

redunited wrote: »

Hence my orional point, its a shame keelings put the effort into advertising these jobs as well as they did in Bulgaria.

I and everyone I know were unaware of these jobs, especiually during a lockdown and yet Bulgairans were found and interviewed for them.

Nobody is stopping you from applying now. Knock yourself out, there's positions still live.
Let us know how you get on.

blinding · 17-04-2020 11:47AM

redunited wrote: »

Hence my orional point, its a shame keelings put the effort into advertising these jobs as well as they did in Bulgaria.

I and everyone I know were unaware of these jobs, especiually during a lockdown and yet Bulgairans were found and interviewed for them.

You would have expected decent pay and conditions ( maybe even some workers right ):eek::eek:

The Bulgarian / Romanian Gang Bosses sort all that out;););)

17-04-2020 11:47AM

whisky_galore wrote: »

Who do you think?

Well according to you, it wasnt the Irish, it wasnt the non nationals living here, so I guess the Leprechauns did it.

Donald Trump · 17-04-2020 11:48AM

redunited wrote: »

Hence my orional point, its a shame keelings put the effort into advertising these jobs as well as they did in Bulgaria.

I and everyone I know were unaware of these jobs, especiually during a lockdown and yet Bulgairans were found and interviewed for them.

You were unaware that people pick strawberries? That it existed as a job?

Did you think they just spontaneously grew overnight in a little plastic punnet on a shelf in a supermarket?

whisky_galore · 17-04-2020 11:48AM

redunited wrote: »

Well according to you, it wasnt the Irish, it wasnt the non nationals living here, so I guess the Leprechauns did it.

Whatever you think yourself, I don't care.

17-04-2020 11:48AM

whisky_galore wrote: »

Nobody is stopping you from applying now. Knock yourself out, there's positions still live.
Let us know how you get on.

Im out of the 2km zone to go near the job, maybe Ryan Air, FG and Keelings can organise a flight for me?

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