Bulgarian workers/Keelings - read OP (threadbans listed)

Graham · 17-04-2020 11:03AM

redunited wrote: »

So it worked then?

How many jobs did they have on offer?

If I remember correctly there's a requirement for 80,000+ pickers.

Only 79,888 left to find and they're sorted.

17-04-2020 11:03AM

Seasonal work used to pay well at one time, that was before the flood gates of Eastern Europe opened up and Ireland became a capitalist society where profit was more important than community and way of life.

17-04-2020 11:04AM

gmisk wrote: »

It worked? Lol
Let's just say a lot more than 112

How many then?

What jobs were these, any actual links to this information?

gmisk · 17-04-2020 11:05AM

redunited wrote: »

How many then?

What jobs were these, any actual links to this information?

80k was figure someone else has posted if you read a couple of posts up....almost there....lol

17-04-2020 11:06AM

Graham wrote: »

If I remember correctly there's a requirement for 80,000+ pickers.

Only 79,888 left to find and they're sorted.

I find this very hard to beleive, any actual proof of what you are saying?

I have family who still do season work in the UK working on the lands in Lincolnshire. Lots of non-natioanls working on the land too, have they all just disappeared overnight to fit your narrative?

blinding · 17-04-2020 11:06AM

redunited wrote: »

Maybe people thought it was just an old notice?

Lots of jobs that are not happening currently being advertised.

I am sure that out of nearly 1 million unemployed, Keelings could have found a couple of hundred workers.

Also, if you beleive "The Irish wouldnt do those jobs " Rubbish, what about all the non Irish living here? Are they too good for those jobs too?

I guarentee you, had RTE said Keelings needed workers on the Six One, you would have seen thousands applying for the jobs.

Thats a Good one.

Even the Foreigners in Ireland won’t do the work for Keelings :eek::eek:

But sure it has nothing to do with the Pay and Working Conditions:eek::eek:

Keelings just have a Preference for breaking the backs of Bulgarians and Romanians ( but not those in Ireland ) to do the back breaking work:eek:;)

Plumbthedepths · 17-04-2020 11:06AM

I find the self confessed intimate knowledge people have here of the work ethic of the entire Irish population amusing. I could say it's bull****. Still amusing to watch the willingness of some to make fools of themselves. Luckily Boards is anonymous.

mgn · 17-04-2020 11:07AM

seamus wrote: »

Ultimately there are just some people who won't be happy unless a general curfew is applied and anyone found outside their home is shot on sight.

A lot of Dubs on here were outraged that the couldn't travel to their holiday homes around the country at Easter time, checkpoints by Guards set up to stop people leaving, yet the have no problem with people being brought in to the country to pick strawberry's,
Not making much sense to me.

gmisk · 17-04-2020 11:07AM

redunited wrote: »

I find this very hard to beleive, any actual proof of what you are saying?

I have family who still do season work in the UK working on the lands in Lincolnshire. Lots of non-natioanls working on the land too, have they all just disappeared overnight to fit your narrative?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8221451/Food-rot-fields-unless-80-000-farm-labour-vacancies-filled.html

Source is from farming association.
So yeah that is proof of 80k figure.

blinding · 17-04-2020 11:08AM

castle2012 wrote: »

Cannot believe the national broadcaster RTE haven't got this to the top of the list on the news. This is an outrage!

What do you expect from the FFG Mouth Piece ! !

17-04-2020 11:08AM

gmisk wrote: »

80k was figure someone else has posted if you read a couple of posts up....almost there....lol

Im only seeing general accusations and assumptions, such as the Irish wouldnt do these jobs, and 80,000 vacant land jobs in the UK.

All of this is nonsense and created to suit an agenda that all the Irish and all the non nationals in Ireland are too lazy to work.

Farscial stuff and had it been the other way around the word Racist would be used.

17-04-2020 11:09AM

gmisk wrote: »

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8221451/Food-rot-fields-unless-80-000-farm-labour-vacancies-filled.html

Source is from farming association.

Ahh, the Daily Mail, the number 1 source of BS information.

Tell me, where did all the seasonal workers for the last 100 years go?
Where did the workers for the last 5 years go?

This is just nonsense so farmers can ship in slave labour and boost their profits.

blinding · 17-04-2020 11:11AM

redunited wrote: »

Im only seeing general accusations and assumptions, such as the Irish wouldnt do these jobs, and 80,000 vacant land jobs in the UK.

All of this is nonsense and created to suit an agenda that all the Irish and all the non nationals in Ireland are too lazy to work.

Farscial stuff and had it been the other way around the word Racist would be used.

No Problem running down the Irish People. Some weird sort of self hatred ! ! !

Graham · 17-04-2020 11:11AM

redunited wrote: »

Im only seeing general accusations and assumptions, such as the Irish wouldnt do these jobs, and 80,000 vacant land jobs in the UK.

All of this is nonsense and created to suit an agenda that all the Irish and all the non nationals in Ireland are too lazy to work.

Keelings have been advertising for weeks. Upwards of 800,000 seasonal pickers are needed across Europe.

It doesn't take a huge amount of effort to confirm the sorts of numbers we're looking at.

mgn · 17-04-2020 11:11AM

KindOfIrish wrote: »

Excuse me, but you have no idea, what you are talking about.
First of all, Irish fruit pickers don't exist.
Secondly, even if few amateur fruit lovers will sign up, they will run away after an hour of fruit picking and never come back for no money per hour!

Rubbish, if you pay the money you will get plenty of people to do it.

gmisk · 17-04-2020 11:12AM

redunited wrote: »

Im only seeing general accusations and assumptions, such as the Irish wouldnt do these jobs, and 80,000 vacant land jobs in the UK.

All of this is nonsense and created to suit an agenda that all the Irish and all the non nationals in Ireland are too lazy to work.

Farscial stuff and had it been the other way around the word Racist would be used.

The jobs were advertised in Ireland from last month I am guessing people weren't knocking down their door.
The 80k UK figure is from farming association.

I think 190 bulgarians in accomodation together doing the work, keeping to themselves then leaving, would actually be a lot safer RE corona in Ireland than 190 Irish people (if they could get them) travelling to site, staying at home mixing with family etc.

17-04-2020 11:12AM

gmisk wrote: »

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8221451/Food-rot-fields-unless-80-000-farm-labour-vacancies-filled.html

Source is from farming association.
So yeah that is proof of 80k figure.

From the article,

Though more than 30,000 workers have signed up to pick crops this summer, only 4,000 have actually interviewed for a job

Not the fault of the 30,000 if they didnt get acepted for an interview.

How do we arrive at just over 100 workers if 4,000 attended an interview?

growleaves · 17-04-2020 11:12AM

There is a fair difference in construction labour wages to seasonal fruit picking wages.

by fair I mean huge.

Some labourers get €11 or €12 an hour and minimum wage is €10.10 an hour. Not all labourers are skilled, semi-skilled or experienced. Many are and those people can get more money its true.

Fruit picking is labour.

blinding · 17-04-2020 11:13AM

mgn wrote: »

Rubbish, if you pay the money you will get plenty of people to do it.

Twas ever thus. Maybe they should pay good wages and find out

;);)

gmisk · 17-04-2020 11:13AM

redunited wrote: »

Ahh, the Daily Mail, the number 1 source of BS information.

Tell me, where did all the seasonal workers for the last 100 years go?
Where did the workers for the last 5 years go?

This is just nonsense so farmers can ship in slave labour and boost their profits.

The source is actually from a farming association.......it's on other sites if you want to look.

17-04-2020 11:13AM

Graham wrote: »

Keelings have been advertising for weeks. Upwards of 800,000 seasonal pickers are needed across Europe.

It doesn't take a huge amount of effort to confirm the sorts of numbers we're looking at.

First I heard about it, and I guess the first the majority of the country heard about it.

Didnt stop Keelings going to Bulgaria and finding these workers though, how did they manage to do that during a lockdown?

17-04-2020 11:14AM

gmisk wrote: »

The source is actually from a farming association.......it's on other sites if you want to look.

From the article,

Though more than 30,000 workers have signed up to pick crops this summer, only 4,000 have actually interviewed for a job

Not the fault of the 30,000 if they didnt get acepted for an interview.

How do we arrive at just over 100 workers if 4,000 attended an interview?

greenspurs · 17-04-2020 11:15AM

A company well known for paying low wages, and driving the price of produce down by under cutting competitors.

Hopefully the public follow through on their outrage by not buying their produce in the stores that stock them.

LeBash · 17-04-2020 11:15AM

FVP3 wrote: »

The problem is there could easily be a cluster amongst themselves, which would be hard to contain.

It will be a cluster we send back to Bulgaria. Maybe they should be outraged?

Graham · 17-04-2020 11:15AM

redunited wrote: »

From the article,

Though more than 30,000 workers have signed up to pick crops this summer, only 4,000 have actually interviewed for a job

Not the fault of the 30,000 if they didnt get acepted for an interview.

How do we arrive at just over 100 workers if 4,000 attended an interview?

Most recent figures I've seen, 6000 interviewed remotely, 900+ jobs offered, 112 accepted.

Tacitus Kilgore · 17-04-2020 11:16AM

growleaves wrote: »

Some labourers get €11 or €12 an hour and minimum wage is €10.10 an hour. Not all labourers are skilled, semi-skilled or experienced. Many are and those people can get more money its true.

Fruit picking is labour.

Yes, all manual work can be described as labour.

It's not construction labour though??? Apples and oranges mate, there is no comparison between the 2 sectors.

blinding · 17-04-2020 11:17AM

redunited wrote: »

From the article,

Though more than 30,000 workers have signed up to pick crops this summer, only 4,000 have actually interviewed for a job

Not the fault of the 30,000 if they didnt get acepted for an interview.

How do we arrive at just over 100 workers if 4,000 attended an interview?

It would be hard to get through a process when the people that set up the process do not want you to get through.

Do you think some of these employers want Locals to get in and tell them about the " pay and conditions that the Bulgarians and Romanians are being put through “ No fooking way Hosé !

17-04-2020 11:17AM

Amazingly at the end of 2019 the shortages of season workers was expected to be around 10,000. And this was because of Brexit!

however since the lockdown the same Farmers Association now claim they need 80,000 workers!

Farsical stuff and total BS just to make a profit. Never let a good crisis go to waste!

The move follows intensive lobbying by the National Farmers Union, which had warned that its members faced shortages of between 8,000 and 10,000 workers.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/11/09/prime-minister-quadruple-number-migrant-workers-can-take-seasonal/

gmisk · 17-04-2020 11:17AM

redunited wrote: »

From the article,

Though more than 30,000 workers have signed up to pick crops this summer, only 4,000 have actually interviewed for a job

Not the fault of the 30,000 if they didnt get acepted for an interview.

How do we arrive at just over 100 workers if 4,000 attended an interview?

The full figures were linked previously on this thread.

17-04-2020 11:18AM

Graham wrote: »

Most recent figures I've seen, 6000 interviewed remotely, 900+ jobs offered, 112 accepted.

But its from the same article that is being quoted that says they needed 80,000 workers!

So you are happy to accept some of the information but not anything that does not suit your agenda?

Bulgarian workers/Keelings - read OP (threadbans listed)

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