Bulgarian workers/Keelings - read OP (threadbans listed)

Graham · 17-04-2020 10:49AM

redunited wrote: »

Seems to be a lot of people on here just assuming the Irish would not do these jobs.

Haven't Keelings been advertising locally for quite some time now?

Donald Trump · 17-04-2020 10:51AM

growleaves wrote: »

I don't see how picking fruit is any more "back-breaking" than other labouring jobs like lifting. (Try bending your knees in both cases.)

Of course you don't. Because you've never done it.

It's not only about the physical exertion.

Ulysses Gaze · 17-04-2020 10:51AM

growleaves wrote: »

They're needed to keep wages down.

There used to be an annual harvest in the Dakotas in the early 20th century. Same tactics were used like low wages, charging for board, company store, except it was American-born farm labourers who worked for next to nothing.

Things like that created an impetus for labour laws and won people over to trade unionism. Now the "work-around" is to import poor people to exploit and slander the natives (for lack of a better word) as lazy.

To do this in the middle of a pandemic when the country is locked-down is an unprecedented instance of taking the piss.

A massive PR own-goal by Keelings.

They'll lose a hell of a lot more money from lost sales now by flying in these workers than money saved from taking this route.

It could have been a marketing coup for them had they advertised in the national papers looking for Irish fruit pickers and paid them €11-€15 and hour and brought them in.

greasepalm · 17-04-2020 10:51AM

My outlook on this is dont let good food go to waste in the ground get anybody in to get it out there onto the shelves and how do you not know many other factories dont have foreigners in doing the same job for many years.
Everybody has said they dont want to do hard labour for a pittance of money,so how is everybody suppose to get fed if that was the case.If they were of a different country would we still complain.
I would like fair wages for a days work but you know that cant happen,look at our tds.What happens if Bulgarians were sent home,no fruit to pick and going to waste,no jams,tarts and many things would go into short supply and be twice as expensive.If Keelings close or similar factories close what more knock ons will happen.
I still like my fruit and dont eat enough of it and would still buy it as homegrown and tasty,times have changed and we all cant work in a cushy job and if the Irish dont want to work in these places then you get foreign nationals in.

Guy:Incognito · 17-04-2020 10:52AM

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

Target students and they might have more success.

Do they exclude students from applying? If the students want the work, surely these places would have stacks of CV's from them?

Ulysses Gaze · 17-04-2020 10:52AM

theemigrant wrote: »

The jobs have been advertised on Indeed for weeks.

https://ie.indeed.com/Keelings-jobs-in-Dublin

No picker jobs there

growleaves · 17-04-2020 10:53AM

Source

Most Western Europeans just don't wan't the seasonal picking type jobs.

£700 a week is a very good wage. That pays more than many labouring jobs in England and Ireland. I've lugged around fridges and metal cabinets for less than that.

The article doesn't say that Brits refuse to do it. The article is basically a job advertisement disguised as a news article - giving the pay, saying it isn't as back-breaking as people think, giving the hours (6am to afternoon).

Looks like a recruitment drive to me.

castle2012 · 17-04-2020 10:53AM

Cannot believe the national broadcaster RTE haven't got this to the top of the list on the news. This is an outrage!

seamus · 17-04-2020 10:53AM

mvl wrote: »

TBH, I would push this to anyone receiving benefits for free while their health allows them to work; make mandatory a number of hours community work each week for welfare dependents, be it nationals, refugee, EU citizens or whatever.
Transport/food organized by the state to whatever location prioritized as strategic / needing support from the government.
If you already pay them, why not use that workforce instead of bringing staff from offshore ?

The logistics of forced volunteering are not so simple that they can be spun up on demand.

Ireland got its first case 7 weeks ago. We've been subject to some level of travel restrictions for only five weeks. The vast, vast majority of unemployment has occured in the last four weeks.

It's fantasy land to think that we could have mounted an emergency response to mobilise a seasonal picking workforce out of the suddenly unemployed inside that timeframe. Even if the laws were in place to do so, the frameworks are not.

It's a perfectly legitimate viewpoint to lament the fact that we have so many suddenly unemployed and yet here we are bringing foreign labour in during a pandemic.

It's not a legitimate to declare that this is was avoidable and these workers should have been banned from coming over. We'd all be eating rations inside six months.

con___manx1 · 17-04-2020 10:53AM

How do people think fruit gets on the shelves in supermarkets? In France they bring in workers to pick the grapes in the vineyards. the French won't do it just like the Irish won't here. I don't see the big deal about it as long as they go in to quartine for two weeks like keelings have said in a statement.

Graham · 17-04-2020 10:53AM

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

It could have been a marketing coup for them had they advertised in the national papers looking for Irish fruit pickers and paid them €11-€15 and hour and brought them in.

What would be the point of advertising Nationally for pickers required in North Co Dublin?

Facebook would be full of people complaining about encouraging travel across the country.

growleaves · 17-04-2020 10:55AM

Of course you don't. Because you've never done it.

It's not only about the physical exertion.

Could you elaborate?

seamus · 17-04-2020 10:55AM

Graham wrote: »

Facebook would be full of people complaining about encouraging travel across the country.

Ultimately there are just some people who won't be happy unless a general curfew is applied and anyone found outside their home is shot on sight.

Ulysses Gaze · 17-04-2020 10:55AM

Graham wrote: »

What would be the point of advertising Nationally for pickers required in North Co Dublin?

Facebook would be full of people complaining about encouraging travel across the country.

People would actually see the advertisement rather than having it buried in some online jobs website that I'd never even heard of before.

Graham · 17-04-2020 10:55AM

growleaves wrote: »

£700 a week is a very good wage. That pays more than many labouring jobs in England and Ireland. I've lugged around fridges and metal cabinets for less than that.

The article doesn't say that Brits refuse to do it. The article is basically a job advertisement disguised as a news article - giving the pay, saying it isn't as back-breaking as people think, giving the hours (6am to afternoon).

Looks like a recruitment drive to me.

Started 2 years ago and they still don't have anywhere near enough pickers.

Graham · 17-04-2020 10:56AM

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

People would actually see the advertisement rather than having it buried in some online jobs website that I'd never even heard of before.

When they pop out for their daily newspaper?

plodder · 17-04-2020 10:56AM

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

No picker jobs there

According to this they are looking for local pickers.

https://keelings.ie/corporate/statement-april-16-2020/

Ulysses Gaze · 17-04-2020 10:57AM

Graham wrote: »

When they pop out for their daily newspaper?

A lot of people still doing that Graham.

17-04-2020 10:57AM

theemigrant wrote: »

The jobs have been advertised on Indeed for weeks.

https://ie.indeed.com/Keelings-jobs-in-Dublin

Maybe people thought it was just an old notice?

Lots of jobs that are not happening currently being advertised.

I am sure that out of nearly 1 million unemployed, Keelings could have found a couple of hundred workers.

Also, if you beleive "The Irish wouldnt do those jobs " Rubbish, what about all the non Irish living here? Are they too good for those jobs too?

I guarentee you, had RTE said Keelings needed workers on the Six One, you would have seen thousands applying for the jobs.

Skylinehead · 17-04-2020 10:58AM

castle2012 wrote: »

Cannot believe the national broadcaster RTE haven't got this to the top of the list on the news. This is an outrage!

Yeah, can't think of any news stories that would get priority over this.

:pac:

Ulysses Gaze · 17-04-2020 10:58AM

plodder wrote: »

According to this they are looking for local pickers.

https://keelings.ie/corporate/statement-april-16-2020/

That was changed an hour or two after the furore online when their site went down and their Facebook was inundated with furious people.

Graham · 17-04-2020 10:58AM

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

A lot of people still doing that Graham.

Isn't it odd what some people consider essential.

gmisk · 17-04-2020 11:00AM

Graham wrote: »

Haven't Keelings been advertising locally for quite some time now?

Since march

blinding · 17-04-2020 11:00AM

Graham wrote: »

That's not reflected in recent experience in the UK

Source

Most Western Europeans just don't wan't the seasonal picking type jobs.

Show me some wage slips;);) Talk is Cheap.

Graham · 17-04-2020 11:01AM

redunited wrote: »

I guarentee you, had RTE said Keelings needed workers on the Six One, you would have seen thousands applying for the jobs.

See recent experience in the UK where 36000 applicants resulted in 112 people accepting jobs.

ArmaniJeanss · 17-04-2020 11:02AM

growleaves wrote: »

Stop lying.

I've done much harder work when I worked as a labourer in the construction industry.

Back in the distant student past I did a few months of labouring on London sites, followed by a month on a farm in the South of France doing crop picking.

I honestly though the farm work was a multitude of times harder. I was in the fittest/slimmest condition of my life after the labouring but the manual crop picking was an absolute killer - a different league of pain and exhaustion.

blinding · 17-04-2020 11:02AM

Graham wrote: »

That's not reflected in recent experience in the UK

Source

Most Western Europeans just don't wan't the seasonal picking type jobs.

You’d get plenty of Irish to pick Fruit if you paid the equivalent of £700 to them.

17-04-2020 11:02AM

Graham wrote: »

See recent experience in the UK where 36000 applicants resulted in 112 people accepting jobs.

So it worked then?

How many jobs did they have on offer?

KindOfIrish · 17-04-2020 11:02AM

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

A massive PR own-goal by Keelings.

They'll lose a hell of a lot more money from lost sales now by flying in these workers than money saved from taking this route.

It could have been a marketing coup for them had they advertised in the national papers looking for Irish fruit pickers and paid them €11-€15 and hour and brought them in.

Excuse me, but you have no idea, what you are talking about.
First of all, Irish fruit pickers don't exist.
Secondly, even if few amateur fruit lovers will sign up, they will run away after an hour of fruit picking and never come back for no money per hour!

gmisk · 17-04-2020 11:03AM

redunited wrote: »

So it worked then?

How many jobs did they have on offer?

It worked? Lol
Let's just say a lot more than 112

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