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Bulgarian workers/Keelings - read OP (threadbans listed)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,164 ✭✭✭Still waters


    And all the Irish right now in Australia picking fruit keeping the Aussies out of work, bring them home to pick fruit in Ireland i say


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,164 ✭✭✭Still waters


    howiya wrote: »
    I can't go to a funeral in the morning 20km from here but if I want to travel across Europe to pick fruit there's no problem. There's something wrong with that.

    You could if you're the undertaker or the priest


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 266 ✭✭taylor3


    howiya wrote: »
    I can't go to a funeral in the morning 20km from here but if I want to travel across Europe to pick fruit there's no problem. There's something wrong with that.

    Spot on, a neighbour of mine was buried last week and I made inquiries about his funeral, was told No you cannot attend due to the current situation. Whole thing doesn't make sense.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,288 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Pretty much every abattoir and chicken factory and meat processing plant is staffed on the factory line by foreigners too, we rely on them to produce food


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,288 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    You could if you're the undertaker or the priest

    Or a traveller


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,896 ✭✭✭billie1b


    bikeman1 wrote: »
    Well there's no ban on flying at the moment and there will be flights and Covid 19 into the future.

    Staff in supermarkets see more people and would have more interaction with with the great unwashed / unmasked in Dublin than the Bulgarians coming in on Ryanair.

    The crew only are their for flight safety at the moment, no in flight service.

    There was a full inflight service on board this flight


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,642 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    Almost ever item you've stocked your presses, fridges and bathrooms with in the last month has come from an area effected by Coronavirus, probably half of it shipped internationally to get here.

    Sensibly, governments the world over have prioritised some industries like food production as essential to make sure that continues.

    Luckily we aren't yet, and hopefully won't ever be in a situation where supplies are restricted to bare essentials. Long may that last.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,231 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    And all the Irish right now in Australia picking fruit keeping the Aussies out of work, bring them home to pick fruit in Ireland i say

    They can have a backpacking adventure right here.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,832 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    billie1b wrote: »
    There was a full inflight service on board this flight

    Source?


    I have read that:
    All these aircraft are disinfected daily. With low loads and no trolley service, social distancing will be optimised on-board

    https://corporate.ryanair.com/news/limited-schedule-for-coming-days-to-keep-skies-open/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,502 ✭✭✭howiya


    You could if you're the undertaker or the priest

    Bit short notice for a career change, especially given the length of time it takes to become a priest. I'm told there might be a webcam type broadcast


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 152 ✭✭Covid19


    If you down tools on a building site for a few months you can come back and just pick up where you left off.


    Soft fruit will have a short window in which it is ripe for the picking (literally). If you don't pick it then then it is gone.


    If you as a consumer buy some that is imported instead, you are importing it from somewhere else that probably hired the same Bulgarians to pick their fruit instead!

    With all due respect, you have absolutely and completely missed the point, which is not the status of the strawberries, but making the necessary sacrifices in order to save lives. F"$#@ the strawberries.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,782 ✭✭✭Scotty #


    Covid19 wrote: »
    With all due respect, you have absolutely and completely missed the point, which is not the status of the strawberries, but making the necessary sacrifices in order to save lives. F"$#@ the strawberries.
    Strawberries account for about 1% of what Keeling process. Almost all fruit and veg on supermarket shelves is processed by Keelings. Having a workforce to do that is essential. With all due respect...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,164 ✭✭✭Still waters


    howiya wrote: »
    Bit short notice for a career change, especially given the length of time it takes to become a priest. I'm told there might be a webcam type broadcast

    My uncle died last week and you could log on and watch the mass if you wanted, i think a lot of churches have it set up now


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,326 ✭✭✭Scuid Mhór


    I know next to nothing about supply chain logistics so I'm going to give Keelings/Ryanair/The Irish Government the benefit of the doubt because I'm sure whatever they did is within the acceptable behaviour as stipulated by the relevant policy -- but that notwithstanding, how did no one in PR in Keelings or Ryanair think to themselves how easily this could be misinterpreted by the mass media or public discourse and thus become a PR disaster, as indicated by a 13 page thread on boards.ie this evening? How could a reflex action not be the obvious presumption that in the public eye, even if things were totally okay and necessary for the supply of strawberries, this was going to spark some sort of outcry? The mind boggles.
    Graham wrote: »
    Almost ever item you've stocked your presses, fridges and bathrooms with in the last month has come from an area effected by Coronavirus, probably half of it shipped internationally to get here.

    Sensibly, governments the world over have prioritised some industries like food production as essential to make sure that continues.

    Luckily we aren't yet, and hopefully won't ever be in a situation where supplies are restricted to bare essentials. Long may that last.

    Well said.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 524 ✭✭✭DelaneyIn


    I presume Keelings don't want Irish workers. They went to an agency who got these Bulgarians because they'll work for half nothing and don't know any Irish labour laws.

    If some workers have covid-19 and spread it, I doubt Keeling's will be too worried. We can't go see our parents in the next town meanwhile the ports are open to anyone.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,502 ✭✭✭howiya


    My uncle died last week and you could log on and watch the mass if you wanted, i think a lot of churches have it set up now

    Yeah that's what we've been told. Just wary the technology mightn't work. Anyway not the same as being with family but will have to do.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 152 ✭✭Covid19


    Scotty # wrote: »
    Judging by your name and post count I'd say it's you who's trolling!

    The food industry here, whether it be fish, chicken, or strawberries relies heavily on a foreign workforce. The "thousands of companies currently unable to trade" are unable to do so because they are absolutely unnecessary! Unlike the food supply chain.

    I am reasonably certain that a lack of strawberries within the Food Supply Chain will mot result in mass panic and starvation.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,473 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    DelaneyIn wrote: »
    I presume Keelings don't want Irish workers. They went to an agency who got these Bulgarians because they'll work for half nothing and don't know any Irish labour laws.

    If some workers have covid-19 and spread it, I doubt Keeling's will be too worried. We can't go see our parents in the next town meanwhile the ports are open to anyone.

    I'd ask for a link to your 6 points but...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,331 ✭✭✭bigroad


    It would be interesting to drill down into the wages and conditions these workers are given.
    For instance if someone from Kerry or Donegal were to be hired would they get a free flight into Dublin and accommodation.
    Do they bring these workers in because they are particularly fast at picking.
    Yes I would think so.
    Then is their pay directly linked to how much they pick.
    Legally then they need to be paid at least the minimum wage .
    But how is the bonus paid ,what drives these workers to pick so fast.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,288 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Covid19 wrote: »
    I am reasonably certain that a lack of strawberries within the Food Supply Chain will mot result in mass panic and starvation.

    That's true but we will be relying on many seasonal workers for other crops in the coming months, they are essential workers, everyone needs to chill


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,502 ✭✭✭howiya


    Scotty # wrote: »
    No there isn't!!! One is non-essential travel, the other is not. It's not f'king rocket science!

    Read the post you've replied to. I said if I want to pick fruit. Hardly essential travel. It's not f'king rocket science


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,473 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Covid19 wrote: »
    I am reasonably certain that a lack of strawberries within the Food Supply Chain will mot result in mass panic and starvation.

    What food do you deem essential so?

    Bread milk and that's it?

    Why is alcohol still on sale???????


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,782 ✭✭✭Scotty #


    Covid19 wrote: »
    I am reasonably certain that a lack of strawberries within the Food Supply Chain will mot result in mass panic and starvation.

    I replied to you already...
    Scotty # wrote: »
    Strawberries account for about 1% of what Keeling process. Almost all fruit and veg on supermarket shelves is processed by Keelings. Having a workforce to do that is essential. With all due respect...


  • Posts: 19,205 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    DelaneyIn wrote: »
    I presume Keelings don't want Irish workers. They went to an agency who got these Bulgarians because they'll work for half nothing and don't know any Irish labour laws.

    If some workers have covid-19 and spread it, I doubt Keeling's will be too worried. We can't go see our parents in the next town meanwhile the ports are open to anyone.

    more new cases and deaths in Ireland yesterday than Bulgaria have had in total since the start.

    they are far far more likely (assuming numbers correct) to pick it up here than be bringing it.

    this employment would have been arranged months in advance before CV19.

    no surprise that muppet McGregor is picking up on this!


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,642 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    Covid19 wrote: »
    With all due respect, you have absolutely and completely missed the point, which is not the status of the strawberries, but making the necessary sacrifices in order to save lives. F"$#@ the strawberries.

    Would it be fair to suggest you're probably not living off your stash of dried pasta, canned food, UHT milk and pulses at the moment.

    That fresh meat, milk, bread, fruit, those vegetables, that salad, it's all been picked/made/baked/packed/shipped/shelved/rung-up by people putting themselves at risk.

    The appropriate response is probably Thank You.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,687 ✭✭✭blacklilly


    I am sickened by all the commentary on this.

    Firstly keelings is an indigenous Irish company that directly and indirectly employs thousands of people. They produce top quality fruit and are a household name.

    Secondly, show me the que of Irish people applying for jobs to pick fruit with them? The Irish are too above themselves (in the majority) to do this work. Simple as.

    Thirdly, this is showing the Irish to be discriminatory and in part racist too. All the so called anger is entirely misplaced. Keelings are doing what the do every year to ensure they can supply our food chain with their produce.

    The government are still allowing flights into and out of Ireland, what are keelings to do? Let their fruit crop die and rot?

    I will make a point of buying keelings a this weekend.

    I’ve no affiliation to Keelings whatsoever but the response to this has made by blood boil.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,473 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Actually why is alcohol still for sale?

    People think strawberries aren't essential.

    Lets see how they would cope if alcohol is deemed non essential.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,782 ✭✭✭Scotty #


    howiya wrote: »
    Read the post you've replied to. I said if I want to pick fruit. Hardly essential travel. It's not f'king rocket science
    The picking of fruit and maintaining the food chain is essential. Therefore, this seems to be the part you don't grasp... travelling to pick fruit is essential travel.

    Travelling to pay your respects at funeral is not essential.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,896 ✭✭✭billie1b


    Tenzor07 wrote: »

    I work there and witnessed the bars being loaded by DHL for it.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,326 ✭✭✭Scuid Mhór


    Covid19 wrote: »
    I am reasonably certain that a lack of strawberries within the Food Supply Chain will mot result in mass panic and starvation.

    How fast is this virus mutating that it's now developed the ability to articulate itself and post on boards.ie? How did this not make the 6 o'clock news? The state of the press in this country.


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