Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

Professor Moriarty · 16-04-2020 06:47PM

jobeenfitz wrote: »

Its sad when people we love die.
I know there are lots of people in nursing homes who are reasonably healthy and have a decent quality of life.

Some people in nursing homes are incontinent and/or have some type of dimentia.

I, like millions of others have often pondered what I would like to happen to me if I was in a home, basically just a shell of myself.

If this was the case I think this virus would be a godsend for me. I know my adult children and my grandkids would be sad but they know how I feel and may be able to feel some comfort for me also.

So a certain percent of deaths in nursing homes could be seen as a kind act of fate, or God if your a believer?

Im not saying the virus is good or old people dying is good. I'm saying this is how I would want it if it was me and I'm sure some of the people who died would have felt this way too.

Im almost afraid to post this because I'm sure there is many posters scanning for posts like this just to declare their outrage.

There are less traumatic ways of dying.

polesheep · 16-04-2020 06:48PM

Alisa Odd Wasp wrote: »

On Pat Kenny, there was a professor from TCD taking about public health matters. He has zero clinical credentials (in the sense that he has no training to be a clinician or in public health). All his research is lab-based research. I find that everybody is now an expert on the subject.

Play nice. Some would say that there are medical doctors are making out like they are epidemiologists. And don't forget, a vaccine if it comes will come from a lab. Combined expertise will deliver the best outcome. Keep up the good work.

Harry Palmr · 16-04-2020 06:48PM

Some fairly hopeful words there, intimating we can't shut up shop forever.

Alf Veedersane · 16-04-2020 06:49PM

Mic 1972 wrote: »

I'm comparing Ireland today to Italy today, not 4 weeks ago
The total cases is the sum of all cases from the beginning, if anything Ireland was faster than Italy to get to this level

Not sure of the relevance then. The premise of any measures was not to reduce cases but reduce the rate of cases such that the health service could cope and that doctors and nurses wouldn't have to decide which of multiple people needing critical care would get the equipment and the chance to live. In Italy they were having to make those choices. That hasn't happened in Ireland.

So, yeah...I don't agree with your narrative about Ireland being at the same level as Italy.

Curious_Case · 16-04-2020 06:50PM

Mic 1972 wrote: »

which curve?
the daily deaths have reached a new high today, no sign of a decrease there

Well the latest increment is 5

Some would see that as a SIGN of an impending decrease

Mic 1972 · 16-04-2020 06:50PM

Arghus wrote: »

It's a bit redundant to compare cases like that, every country tests at different rates. Some only test those that come into hospital, others test suspected cases as well.

Tests per million

Italy = 19,490
Ireland = 18,358

they are absolutely comparable

Mic 1972 · 16-04-2020 06:51PM

Curious_Case wrote: »

Well the latest increment is 5

Some would see that as a SIGN of an impending decrease

How can an increment be considered a decrease?
Reality can be sugarcoated in many ways but numbers speak for themselves

stephenjmcd · 16-04-2020 06:51PM

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Some fairly hopeful words there, intimating we can't shut up shop forever.

Yeah just caught the end of its, Nolan saying these restrictions and continued restrictions aren't viable long term

fritzelly · 16-04-2020 06:52PM

George Lee is an idiot

16-04-2020 06:52PM

Mic 1972 wrote: »

Tests per million

Italy = 19,490
Ireland = 18,358

they are absolutely comparable

What are our death rate per million compared

I think it might be not all bad news,we are all going to have to get it eventually to develop,some sort immunity??

So long as our healthcare dont collaspe and we can reign back nursing home deaths,hopefully we can come out of this again stronger as a country

DARK-KNIGHT · 16-04-2020 06:53PM

Realistically we are 7 days or so off hitting the 100 deaths per day

Frightening

Praying for the frontline staff and their families

This will have an awful affect on the mental health of those staff. Seeing that much death isn't good for the mind

tobefrank321 · 16-04-2020 06:53PM

Best to try to eliminate this altogether in the next few months rather than lifting and imposing restrictions until a vaccine.

fullstop · 16-04-2020 06:54PM

Mic 1972 wrote: »

source = worldometer

Well their figures not completely reliable.

Curious_Case · 16-04-2020 06:55PM

Mic 1972 wrote: »

How can an increment be considered a decrease?
Reality can be sugarcoated in many ways but numbers speak for themselves

Me go sleepity bye byes now

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

DARK-KNIGHT · 16-04-2020 06:56PM

Curious_Case wrote: »

Me go sleepity bye byes now

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Post of the day surely

is_that_so · 16-04-2020 06:57PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Best to try to eliminate this altogether in the next few months rather than lifting and imposing restrictions until a vaccine.

Philip Nolan says continued restrictions are not a long-term strategy he favours, 0.7 is manageable.

ek motor · 16-04-2020 06:59PM

17000 new cases in France. They must be testing a LOT.

Mic 1972 · 16-04-2020 06:59PM

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

Not sure of the relevance then. The premise of any measures was not to reduce cases but reduce the rate of cases such that the health service could cope and that doctors and nurses wouldn't have to decide which of multiple people needing critical care would get the equipment and the chance to live. In Italy they were having to make those choices. That hasn't happened in Ireland.

So, yeah...I don't agree with your narrative about Ireland being at the same level as Italy.

I'm only looking at numbers, there is no personal narrative in there

The number of cases per million is pretty much the same as Italy, whether we are going to cope or not is a completely different argument that I can't answer
On the other hand Italy has seen a decrease in the daily cases while we are still registering significant increases

Curious_Case · 16-04-2020 07:00PM

Mic 1972 wrote: »

How can an increment be considered a decrease?
Reality can be sugarcoated in many ways but numbers speak for themselves

I even put "SIGN" in biggity wiggity typie thingys for you

Alf Veedersane · 16-04-2020 07:00PM

DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »

Realistically we are 7 days or so off hitting the 100 deaths per day

What's the basis for that?

7 days ago there were 28 deaths. 9 days ago there were 36. It doesn't appear to be growing at a rate that suggests in 7 days it will be 100/day.

wakka12 · 16-04-2020 07:00PM

I wonder is it a glitch? Other than the USA I dont think any country has the capacity to test anywhere near that number in a day, presumably they tested at least 60,000 or so to get a figure of 17,000 positives

Strazdas · 16-04-2020 07:01PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Best to try to eliminate this altogether in the next few months rather than lifting and imposing restrictions until a vaccine.

The metrics scientist at the briefing said this would be completely pointless. You could reduce case numbers to 0 in Ireland, but the virus could / would reappear again two days later (someone getting off a plane). He was pointing out you cannot live forever under a lockdown.....this is not North Korea.

crossman47 · 16-04-2020 07:01PM

hotmail.com wrote: »

A lot of the other countries can publish their data at the same time every day. Why can't we.

I imagine we could if they didn't have to hold a press conference.

boardise · 16-04-2020 07:02PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

The death toll is going to increase significantly because of the nursing home clusters, I’m not sure why people are surprised by the death toll today

Some not surprised at all -just eager to score political points to try make the government look bad. Kinda funny really it's so blatant.

Mic 1972 · 16-04-2020 07:03PM

ek motor wrote: »

17000 new cases in France. They must be testing a LOT.

They should. At the moment they have one of the lowest test rate in Europe
We are doing much better

Coyote · 16-04-2020 07:03PM

Mic 1972 wrote: »

Tests per million

Italy = 19,490
Ireland = 18,358

they are absolutely comparable

they are not comparable, Italy is much later in ramping up testing so they have a much higher number of cases per tested, most of there testing has been of people in hospitals.
if you look at the number of tests and confirmed cases per country and the deaths you can see they are not comparable
Belgium and Italy have not done enough tests to give an idea of the real number of cases
Belgium is only twice the size of ireland but 5 times the number of deaths per head of population

Edit to add "per head of population" for Belgium

Mic 1972 · 16-04-2020 07:05PM

Strazdas wrote: »

The metrics scientist at the briefing said this would be completely pointless. You could reduce case numbers to 0 in Ireland, but the virus could / would reappear again two days later (someone getting off a plane). He was pointing out you cannot live forever under a lockdown.....this is not North Korea.

We can reduce the number of total cases going around infecting everybody and then slowly reopening activities while maintaining social distancing and other measures. China is open now, they managed

wakka12 · 16-04-2020 07:06PM

Coyote wrote: »

they are not comparable, Italy is much later in ramping up testing so they have a much higher number of cases per tested, most of there testing has been of people in hospitals.
if you look at the number of tests and confirmed cases per country and the deaths you can see they are not comparable
Belgium and Italy have not done enough tests to give an idea of the real number of cases
Belgium is only twice the size of ireland but 5 times the number of deaths

Ten times the number of deaths

Sober Crappy Chemis · 16-04-2020 07:07PM

Mic 1972 wrote: »

We can reduce the number of total cases going around infecting everybody and then slowly reopening activities while maintaining social distancing and other measures. China is open now, they managed

Psssttt ... China might not be telling the truth.

GeorgeBailey · 16-04-2020 07:07PM

The general running order on boards for the numbers briefing:

-What time is the briefing today?
-It should be the same time everyday
-They have more important things to do

[numbers announced]
-x number of cases
-What time is the briefing today?
-x number of cases
-x number of cases
-x number of cases
-Curve is flattening
-No sign of a flattening of the curve
-Do you even understand what flattening of the curve means
-x number of cases
-RIP to all those who died
-We're looking good guys
-Looking good? People have died. How is that looking good
-RIP to all those who died
-This is a shambles
-I actually think the goverment are doing a great job
-Glad I'm not in the States
-Glad/annoyed Sinn Fein aren't in government
-What time is the briefing?

Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

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