Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

timmy_mallet · 15-04-2020 06:50PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

I agree. We all probably have an underlying condition that will explain away our death.

Great so many on here to throw stones in glass houses.

Known.

Kermit.de.frog · 15-04-2020 06:53PM

growleaves wrote: »

But exponential increases do not (cannot) continue indefinitely and can and will at some point pivot into exponential decreases, as Dr. Fauci knows.

Of course but there is a lot of space, a lot of uninfected hosts in the world for this to run rampant.

The US is at 28,000 deaths since the beginning of March so what do you reckon about that 60,000 projection you mention?

Then you mentioned 68,000 flu deaths. Let's leave aside the fact coronavirus is in addition to the flu, it is not influenza...and secondly the highest number of flu deaths in the US was circa 61,000 in the 17/18 season and it varies drastically mostly far lower than that.

So you are not comparing like with like.

fr336 · 15-04-2020 06:55PM

Can anyone explain to me (or perhaps remind me, I'm tired) how we will be able to return to any pretence of normal life without potentially spiking the case rate again? Both in Ireland and where I am in UK (south England). It will have to happen regardless at some point as even someone like me who would always put lives over economy realises that there comes a point where this could all lead to a depression and god knows what else. So anyway back to my main point - how do we not just go back to square one if the borders are still open? All it takes is a handful of cases coming in from abroad to start up a cluster again. Or am I being really stupid and the long term effect of our lockdowns is that the majority of virus carriers will have got over it and now be immune? Will the post lockdown world still be fraught with risk but nowhere near as bad as where we were before it? I'm guessing ultimately we will all become compulsory mask wearers for a time.

DevilsHaircut · 15-04-2020 06:55PM

10000maniacs wrote: »

So all cases in Ireland stemmed from this one genome sequence? OMG, pity the fool.

Not really one for the science, are you?

Blueshoe · 15-04-2020 06:57PM

fr336 wrote: »

Can anyone explain to me (or perhaps remind me, I'm tired) how we will be able to return to any pretence of normal life without potentially spiking the case rate again? Both in Ireland and where I am in UK (south England). It will have to happen regardless at some point as even someone like me who would always put lives over economy realises that there comes a point where this could all lead to a depression and god knows what else. So anyway back to my main point - how do we not just go back to square one if the borders are still open? All it takes is a handful of cases coming in from abroad to start up a cluster again. Or am I being really stupid and the long term effect of our lockdowns is that the majority of virus carriers will have got over it and now be immune? Will the post lockdown world still be fraught with risk but nowhere near as bad as where we were before it? I'm guessing ultimately we will all become compulsory mask wearers for a time.

What is the situation with your privates hospitals over there. Have they been temporarily nationalised?

timmy_mallet · 15-04-2020 06:57PM

Working class heroes wrote: »

Ffs stop talking bollox will ya.
Hundreds of middle class goons on Greystones beach today but as they are not travellers it’s grand. Eh?

And while I’m at it, the clowns at Cheltenham. Were they all arrested?

How odd. Are all people 'middle class' (what does that even mean?) 'Goons', or would they be 'goons' if they weren't in that arbitrary class definition but still on the beach?

And if they live within 2km of a beach, why would they NOT be there getting their governments suggested exercise?

weisses · 15-04-2020 07:01PM

They should relax the lockdown for most of the country except for Dublin ... More then 50% of cases from there

timmy_mallet · 15-04-2020 07:02PM

weisses wrote: »

They should relax the lockdown for most of the country except for Dublin ... More then 50% of cases from there

Put wall up around it, ffs.

Keep the turf munching, baby eating savages from ever entering the promise land again.

tobefrank321 · 15-04-2020 07:04PM

Blueshoe wrote: »

Where was or is the funeral?

Birr in Offaly.

growleaves · 15-04-2020 07:05PM

The US is at 28,000 deaths since the beginning of March so what do you reckon about that 60,000 projection you mention?

That it may still be correct, though of course I don't claim to know that it is.

and it varies drastically mostly far lower than that

Which is why I've consistently used phrases like 'harsh flu season', 'bad flu year'.

So you are not comparing like with like.

There are no exact comparisons in medical statistics. I'm only mentioning it to provide context. If Fauci's prediction of 60,000 were correct than covid is as bad as a very bad flu year.

Iamabeliever · 15-04-2020 07:07PM

They should make all dubs wear face masks

deaglan1 · 15-04-2020 07:08PM

Still cannot get my head around these stats - what are the Israelis doing that Deaths per 1 Million population = just 16% of ours.

fr336 · 15-04-2020 07:08PM

Blueshoe wrote: »

What is the situation with your privates hospitals over there. Have they been temporarily nationalised?

Not nationalised but private hospitals have given their beds over to the NHS.

Cody montana · 15-04-2020 07:08PM

timmy_mallet wrote: »

Put wall up around it, ffs.

Keep the turf munching, baby eating savages from ever entering the promise land again.

Some of us chose that on our own free will.

timmy_mallet · 15-04-2020 07:09PM

deaglan1 wrote: »

Still cannot get my head around these stats - what are the Israelis doing that Deaths per 1 Million population = just 16% of ours.

Not as fat, smoke less, drink less? Healthier? Younger? Less pollution? Less chronic illness?

timmy_mallet · 15-04-2020 07:10PM

Cody montana wrote: »

Some of us chose that on our own free will.

Ha. Theres only one way to be certain, but.

joe_99 · 15-04-2020 07:12PM

timmy_mallet wrote: »

Not as fat, smoke less, drink less? Healthier? Younger? Less pollution? Less chronic illness?

Different reporting parameters?

growleaves · 15-04-2020 07:13PM

Not as fat, smoke less, drink less? Healthier? Younger? Less pollution? Less chronic illness?

Definitely a younger population. Mandatory army service may mitigate against obesity, which is a huge chronic risk factor.

BattleCorp · 15-04-2020 07:13PM

deaglan1 wrote: »

Still cannot get my head around these stats - what are the Israelis doing that Deaths per 1 Million population = just 16% of ours.

This might sound stupid but could genetics play a part in a certain country having less deaths? Are some people genetically more resistant to the virus?

I know access to medical treatment is a huge factor in limiting the number of deaths but there are probably other factors too. Maybe Israel are doing a better job of shielding the most vulnerable so it could be stronger people catching it and therefore more likely to survive.

15-04-2020 07:13PM

timmy_mallet wrote: »

Not as fat, smoke less, drink less? Healthier? Younger? Less pollution? Less chronic illness?

Better weather?

Loafing Oaf · 15-04-2020 07:14PM

deaglan1 wrote: »

Still cannot get my head around these stats - what are the Israelis doing that Deaths per 1 Million population = just 16% of ours.

Having a much warmer climate. Guessing they're testing much more extensively so their case total figure is a much closer approximation of reality...

jackboy · 15-04-2020 07:14PM

Wow, that is some article in the examiner stating that the HSE are giving false figures for positive cases. Information coming from a whistleblower nurse. I would expect the examiner to be pretty sure about their sources.

bodhrandude · 15-04-2020 07:14PM

How can a 23 year old die of it can they not resuscitate him and put on life support or something, Jesus. RIP.

Coyote · 15-04-2020 07:16PM

Number updated to match today's report, I have included the total numbers reported today
I have added the number died in the chart in yellow
recent cases growth
12-4-2020 4.8%
13-4-2020 5.46%
14-4-2020 5.15%
15-4-2020 5.55%

No Change in number

Slow Change

Big Drop in numbers

if we only grow at the rate of 7.8% this day next month we would have 4,000 deaths
if you wait till we are overloaded it's too late

I think this site is one of the best as it allows you to change and check the visualization of covid19
http://91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/
numbers on this site are a day old won't be updated till around midnight for ireland

Deaths by country

marno21 · 15-04-2020 07:17PM

Obesity seems to be emerging as a major factor in the outcome of covid-19 cases. It seems a large majority of patients administered to intensive care have obesity as an underlying condition.

If this is the case, it will be useful going forward in assessing who is at risk from a severe dose of covid-19. Obesity must rank up there as being one of the easiest underlying conditions to diagnose and not an underlying condition that the patient could be unaware of.

wakka12 · 15-04-2020 07:17PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Of course but there is a lot of space, a lot of uninfected hosts in the world for this to run rampant.

The US is at 28,000 deaths since the beginning of March so what do you reckon about that 60,000 projection you mention?

Then you mentioned 68,000 flu deaths. Let's leave aside the fact coronavirus is in addition to the flu, it is not influenza...and secondly the highest number of flu deaths in the US was circa 61,000 in the 17/18 season and it varies drastically mostly far lower than that.

So you are not comparing like with like.

The erroneous comparisons between flu and COVID need to stop, it is such a tiresome discussion at this stage.
Comparing total global influenza death tolls are just not valid because widespread community transmission has only become a recent phenomenon outside China in the last 6 or so weeks. And there is still no epidemics present within much of the planet despite it being a pandemic, unlike flu which operates throughout the globe.
Obersvations of the monthly mortality rates within areas of the world where there are noteable outbreaks give a much clearer picture of the effects this virus has compard to influenza.

Working class heroes · 15-04-2020 07:17PM

timmy_mallet wrote: »

How odd. Are all people 'middle class' (what does that even mean?) 'Goons', or would they be 'goons' if they weren't in that arbitrary class definition but still on the beach?

And if they live within 2km of a beach, why would they NOT be there getting their governments suggested exercise?

Firstly. Large public gatherings are banned. I would class this as such.
Secondly that was entirely my point. We can’t be painting an entire group of people with the same brush now, can we?.
This site is full of it and I’m surprised it took so long for that bias to emerge tbh.

khalessi · 15-04-2020 07:20PM

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/the-numbers-are-being-fudged-says-nurse-who-brands-testing-regime-an-omnishambles-994236.html

the-numbers-are-being-fudged-says-nurse-who-brands-testing-regime-an-omnishambles
interesting

JRant · 15-04-2020 07:21PM

deaglan1 wrote: »

Still cannot get my head around these stats - what are the Israelis doing that Deaths per 1 Million population = just 16% of ours.

They probably kept it out of nursing and residential homes while cocooning their elderly. 2 things we have utterly failed to do.

owlbethere · 15-04-2020 07:22PM

bodhrandude wrote: »

How can a 23 year old die of it can they not resuscitate him and put on life support or something, Jesus. RIP.

I don't know about Ireland but in the UK, when someone dies with this, they are not allowed to do the cpr in case the virus spits up into their faces.. Something like that anyways. When someone goes, that's it, they are gone.

Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

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