Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

BorneTobyWilde · 15-04-2020 03:39PM

DevilsHaircut wrote: »

https://twitter.com/ciananbrennan/status/1250438838918344705

If you were to lay that over the motorway network you'd see all roads lead back to Dublin. The epicentre that no one would isolate, well it's too late now with their 2km zone from home, that was needed on day one.

ShayNanigan · 15-04-2020 03:40PM

quokula wrote: »

There's over a million people in Dublin. Let's round it to a million. A few hundred dots will completely cover it up on a map at that scale, but that would still leave over 999 thousand unaffected.

Let's not forget those are only the ones who have been tested. The real numbers are something else.

15-04-2020 03:41PM

growleaves wrote: »

Some of them were absolute piss-takers, like the guy who allegedly sneezed towards a garda and shouted "there's your coronavirus".

In case's like this, Id love for the gards to be allowed to box the bleedin heads of these cnuts

Utter bastards

Kermit.de.frog · 15-04-2020 03:42PM

jobeenfitz wrote: »

Not disagreeing with you on Trump but had Chinese lockdown Wuhan instead of letting millions go to all corners of the world after Chinese New year, maybe this could have been avoided?

Indeed.

5 million people were allowed leave Wuhan for the Lunar Holiday and many travelled all over the world particularly with-in the Asia-Pacific region.

A disastrous decision made by Xi himself and the game was up then on containment.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 15-04-2020 03:49PM

quokula wrote: »

Before the evidence emerged that it could.

How early are we talking here? How unequivocal were they? How many cases had they observed?

froog · 15-04-2020 03:50PM

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

Isn't there a politics forum for Trump talk? Or any other leader for that matter except maybe Leo what with this being Ireland.

it's been stated several times by people and mods that this is not an ireland specific coronavirus thread, it's the main thread on a global pandemic. and if criticism of trump upsets people they should stay out of this thread, particularly in the evening when his coronavirus press conference happens.

Tony EH · 15-04-2020 03:52PM

jobeenfitz wrote: »

Not disagreeing with you on Trump but had Chinese lockdown Wuhan instead of letting millions go to all corners of the world after Chinese New year, maybe this could have been avoided?

Maybe. But they didn't. Nobody deserves a medal with their handling of this. But there's no way anyone could have had all the answers either, not even China. This is something that hasn't been seen for 100 years. There isn't any truly useful handbook on something like this, despite various models that have been produced over the years. But that's often the case where the theoretical meets the practical.

And bare in mind, we are only a few months into this. So technically, countries HAVE moved relatively quickly to tackle the pandemic. Including China.

But, the reality is, that it wouldn't have mattered what country this virus originated from, it more than likely would have spread, because of the natural initial confusion surrounding facts about it and because we live in a global situation nowadays where people can be half way across the planet in a matter of hours.

The above, coupled with the fact that the vast majority of Covid-19 cases are asymptomatic, meant that it was inevitable that this virus was going to spread relatively quickly and undetected at the beginning.

It's, frankly, impressive that things aren't a lot worse.

tobefrank321 · 15-04-2020 03:52PM

quokula wrote: »

The EU-skeptic fallacy. Insists that the EU dictates everything to us. Complains that the EU doesn't dictate everything to us.

Got it wrong.

The EU dictates the shape of bananas but is unable to dictate the closure of borders to save tens of thousands of lives or even unwilling to advise this. Instead they leave it to individual states, many of whom don't know what to do, and would prefer not to be seen as bad Europeans. Buck passing all around.

You understand it now? Probably not!

There's no point having ambitions at being a federal superstate if leadership is always lacking come big crises.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 15-04-2020 03:53PM

froog wrote: »

it's been stated several times by people and mods that this is not an ireland specific coronavirus thread, it's the main thread on a global pandemic. and if criticism of trump upsets people they should stay out of this thread, particularly in the evening when his coronavirus press conference happens.

I believe the mods have also told people who want to discuss politics in-depth to do so on the politics forum, if not on this thread then one of the previous ones. Nobody wants to see tedious back-and-forth on world leaders and general politics when they are looking for information about covid-19. There is a dedicated forum to do so.

I'll be reporting any excessive political posts of any hue that I see. Maybe nothing will be done but maybe it will. I'll be doing that instead of staying out of the thread.

Discussion of Trump's nightly update is different.

froog · 15-04-2020 03:59PM

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

I believe the mods have also told people who want to discuss politics in-depth to do so on the politics forum, if not on this thread then one of the previous ones. Nobody wants to see tedious back-and-forth on world leaders and general politics when they are looking for information about covid-19. There is a dedicated forum to do so.

I'll be reporting any excessive political posts of any hue that I see. Maybe nothing will be done but maybe it will. I'll be doing that instead of staying out of the thread.

Discussion of Trump's nightly update is different.

what about discussion of trump's coronavirus response during daylight hours? will you report those posts or leave them off?

Mwengwe · 15-04-2020 03:59PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

If you were to lay that over the motorway network you'd see all roads lead back to Dublin. The epicentre that no one would isolate, well it's too late now with their 2km zone from home, that was needed on day one.

No you wouldn't. Loads of people from regional areas travelled to Cheltenham and back, etc

Having said that that map really shows why people are justifiably angry about people heading to second homes and so on, couple of areas look relatively untouched so far, or if not untouched then controllable.

eagle eye · 15-04-2020 04:00PM

froog wrote:

what about discussion of trump's coronavirus response during daylight hours? will you report those posts or leave them off?

They are allowed, that's been made very clear by the mods.

froog · 15-04-2020 04:01PM

eagle eye wrote: »

They are allowed, that's been made very clear by the mods.

i know, i'm just pointing out the ridiculousness of the other poster.

tobefrank321 · 15-04-2020 04:05PM

froog wrote: »

it's been stated several times by people and mods that this is not an ireland specific coronavirus thread, it's the main thread on a global pandemic. and if criticism of trump upsets people they should stay out of this thread, particularly in the evening when his coronavirus press conference happens.

About 10% of the criticism of Trump is valid. About 90% is laughable and the same stuff is said night after night, ventilators, etc.

What do you want him to say, worst ventilators in the world? We're doing a terrible job?

Just look at how the Irish government try to hype up what they are doing - 15,000 tests daily, ventilators on the way, doing the right thing - per capita we are doing worse than the States.

You'd swear Trump was the first politician to exaggerate. It happens all the time.

Do the Chinese even bother with a daily press conference?

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 15-04-2020 04:05PM

froog wrote: »

what about discussion of trump's coronavirus response during daylight hours? will you report those posts or leave them off?

Well, everyone has their own parameters and I have my own sense of when there are too many politics posts happening on the thread. Why do you have a problem with my objection? I'm not you and clearly our opinion differs. If I report posts and nothing happens, then I was wrong. If a mod instruction happens, I was right. What's the problem?

You seem to be taking this as me not liking Trump criticism in which case, LOL.

quokula · 15-04-2020 04:07PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Got it wrong.

The EU dictates the shape of bananas but is unable to dictate the closure of borders to save tens of thousands of lives or even unwilling to advise this. Instead they leave it to individual states, many of whom don't know what to do, and would prefer not to be seen as bad Europeans. Buck passing all around.

You understand it now? Probably not!

There's no point having ambitions at being a federal superstate if leadership is always lacking come big crises.

Christ it's bendy bananas now is it? No point trying to have a rational conversation with anyone who trots that line out.

froog · 15-04-2020 04:07PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

About 10% of the criticism of Trump is valid. About 90% is laughable and the same stuff is said night after night, ventilators, etc.

What do you want him to say, worst ventilators in the world? We're doing a terrible job?

Just look at how the Irish government try to hype up what they are doing - 15,000 tests daily, ventilators on the way, doing the right thing - per capita we are doing worse than the States.

You'd swear Trump was the first politician to exaggerate. It happens all the time.

Do the Chinese even bother with a daily press conference?

so you want criticism of trump that you personally don't deem as "valid" banned?

quokula · 15-04-2020 04:11PM

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

I believe the mods have also told people who want to discuss politics in-depth to do so on the politics forum, if not on this thread then one of the previous ones. Nobody wants to see tedious back-and-forth on world leaders and general politics when they are looking for information about covid-19. There is a dedicated forum to do so.

I'll be reporting any excessive political posts of any hue that I see. Maybe nothing will be done but maybe it will. I'll be doing that instead of staying out of the thread.

Discussion of Trump's nightly update is different.

I agree with with this statement in general.

But when the news came in overnight that the world's largest economy has decided to deliberately defund and hamper the frontline internationally recognised global organisation for identifying and combatting pandemics, that is pretty relevant.

Unfortunately a lot of moronic whatabouttery has followed that regarding China / the EU / various other governments which does tend to drag things pretty far off topic.

jackofalltrades · 15-04-2020 04:11PM

Tony EH wrote: »

Blaming the WHO for that is stupid.

As an organisation they may have made some missteps here and there at the beginning of this outbreak.
But they're dealing with something that hasn't been seen in a century.

We've had SARS and MERS in the last 20 years.
We've also have a whole rake of Flus recently.
The whole "hasn't happened in a century" excuse doesn't wash.
The WHO have made mistakes and continue to make mistakes IMO.
It's good that their leader and the Chinese government are bring called out on their behaviour.

froog · 15-04-2020 04:12PM

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

Well, everyone has their own parameters and I have my own sense of when there are too many politics posts happening on the thread. Why do you have a problem with my objection? I'm not you and clearly our opinion differs. If I report posts and nothing happens, then I was wrong. If a mod instruction happens, I was right. What's the problem?

You seem to be taking this as me not liking Trump criticism in which case, LOL.

you and a few other posters are spamming the thread now for the last few days with complaints about trump discussion, mainly having an issue only with criticism of him. it's laughable but now it's clogging up the thread and is getting annoying, especially since the Mods have posted on the matter several times and the direction is clear.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 15-04-2020 04:13PM

quokula wrote: »

I agree with with this statement in general.

But when the news came in overnight that the world's largest economy has decided to deliberately defund and hamper the frontline internationally recognised global organisation for identifying and combatting pandemics, that is pretty relevant.

Unfortunately a lot of moronic whatabouttery has followed that regarding China / the EU / various other governments which does tend to drag things pretty far off topic.

That's the problem. That's exactly it.

Christy42 · 15-04-2020 04:14PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

About 10% of the criticism of Trump is valid. About 90% is laughable and the same stuff is said night after night, ventilators, etc.

What do you want him to say, worst ventilators in the world? We're doing a terrible job?

Just look at how the Irish government try to hype up what they are doing - 15,000 tests daily, ventilators on the way, doing the right thing - per capita we are doing worse than the States.

You'd swear Trump was the first politician to exaggerate. It happens all the time.

Do the Chinese even bother with a daily press conference?

Is China the level of truth you want from a leader? Great he tells people more than China does. That is damniation with faint praise if I ever heard it. I had hoped the US had loftier ambitions. Maybe a bit of honesty. We made mistakes but are looking to fix them instead of pretending everything is fine I am great, look over there, you can't blame me in the slightest if everyone else wasn't perfect stream of nonsense.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 15-04-2020 04:15PM

jackofalltrades wrote: »

We've had SARS and MERS in the last 20 years.
We've also have a whole rake of Flus recently.
The whole "hasn't happened in a century" excuse doesn't wash.
The WHO have made mistakes and continue to make mistakes IMO.
It's good that their leader and the Chinese government are bring called out on their behaviour.

SARS and MERS were nothing like this. Neither was the swine flu. I mean, everyone here has lived through those and knows the difference. I honestly don't know how you could pretend that they had anywhere near the same impact.

eagle eye · 15-04-2020 04:17PM

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote:

Well, everyone has their own parameters and I have my own sense of when there are too many politics posts happening on the thread. Why do you have a problem with my objection? I'm not you and clearly our opinion differs. If I report posts and nothing happens, then I was wrong. If a mod instruction happens, I was right. What's the problem?

You know it's very easy to just move forward to the next post if you don't like one.
In a supermarket buying apples do you take the first ones you come across or do you look through them to find the ones you like best? Or do you look for the manager and make a complaint that there are a lot of apple's that don't suit your taste?

tobefrank321 · 15-04-2020 04:18PM

quokula wrote: »

Christ it's bendy bananas now is it? No point trying to have a rational conversation with anyone who trots that line out.

Bendy bananas is an example the man on the street understands hence why its often used.

We can use countless other examples.

The over-arching point is the EU get involved in many aspects of people's daily lives but when we need their leadership in a crisis its usually sorely lacking.

Their leadership in this crisis was also sorely lacking. They appear to have had no plan for a global pandemic for example. Is this the future? A superstate with weak indecisive leadership?

quokula · 15-04-2020 04:18PM

jackofalltrades wrote: »

We've had SARS and MERS in the last 20 years.
We've also have a whole rake of Flus recently.
The whole "hasn't happened in a century" excuse doesn't wash.
The WHO have made mistakes and continue to make mistakes IMO.
It's good that their leader and the Chinese government are bring called out on their behaviour.

They can't act without evidence. With hindsight of course lots of things could have been done sooner. But they deal with viruses emerging all the time, like those you mention and many many others, and every time it is new and unknown, never with the same characteristics as this one, and there need to be evidence-based judgement calls made.

They could just jump to conclusions and assume the worst, but if they did that for the hundreds of other viruses they've identified and monitored over the years, they'd have been accused of spreading panic, lost all credibility, and people would just treat it as crying wolf and ignore the advice when this virus did come along.

They are our frontline defence for things like this - we don't know how many people could have been killed by the other viruses you mention without their work - and for a politician to try and cripple them in a time of crisis to deflect from his own domestic failings is utterly unforgivable.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 15-04-2020 04:19PM

froog wrote: »

you and a few other posters are spamming the thread now for the last few days with complaints about trump discussion, mainly having an issue only with criticism of him. it's laughable but now it's clogging up the thread and is getting annoying, especially since the Mods have posted on the matter several times and the direction is clear.

I most certainly have not. I did a little search. I have made a handful of comments about Trump today. The last time I mentioned him in a post before that was THREE WEEKS AGO. And in total, of my more than 5000 posts on this account, I have mentioned Trump in a grand total of 12 posts, all criticial of him that I know of. 12 (That might update to like, 15 or so after today). There is also possibly a few posts where I talk about him without mention but very few. I don't really discuss politics, hence my objection. You know what spamming entails, right? If you are going to throw out accusations, at least do your homework.

Is it possible that you are being a bit sensitive? And making baseless assumptions?

eagle eye · 15-04-2020 04:20PM

froog wrote:

you and a few other posters are spamming the thread now for the last few days with complaints about trump discussion, mainly having an issue only with criticism of him. it's laughable but now it's clogging up the thread and is getting annoying, especially since the Mods have posted on the matter several times and the direction is clear.

Will you ever get over yourself. If people want to defend Trump they have every right just as you do to complain about him.

tobefrank321 · 15-04-2020 04:21PM

Christy42 wrote: »

Is China the level of truth you want from a leader? Great he tells people more than China does. That is damniation with faint praise if I ever heard it. I had hoped the US had loftier ambitions. Maybe a bit of honesty. We made mistakes but are looking to fix them instead of pretending everything is fine I am great, look over there, you can't blame me in the slightest if everyone else wasn't perfect stream of nonsense.

99% of criticism of politicians on this thread is directed at Trump. Now if that's not distraction I don't know what is?

What about our plans for nursing homes here - non existent. A good starting point. I'm all for pulling on the green jersey but when our government screws up we need to call it out.

I really don't get the obsession with Trump. Very few of his decisions will affect us.

Bridge93 · 15-04-2020 04:24PM

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

What? WHO said that covid-19 couldn't be passed from human to human? When was this?

Was an answer ever given for this or can I take it that it was another lie?

Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

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