Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

BanditLuke · 15-04-2020 10:55AM

Just been informed a guy I know from saying hello to in our estate died of the virus yesterday. I hadn't even known he was ill. In his 40's like myself with no previous health issues and leaves 2 kids and wife behind. I remember speaking to him whilst out walking the dog a few weeks back about of all things missing roof tiles.

In a bit of shock tbh.

is_that_so · 15-04-2020 10:55AM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

There are a lot of good people running nursing homes. But as we've seen in recent times, there are also a lot of cowboys running nursing homes.

I saw Tadhg Daly last night and he commented that some nursing homes are doing things very well.

davemckenna25 · 15-04-2020 10:57AM

hotmail.com wrote: »

It's all over RTE. And people are waiting weeks to get tested here.

Are people waiting weeks to get tested or a percentage waiting on their results due to a back log?

Kermit.de.frog · 15-04-2020 10:57AM

hotmail.com wrote: »

Nice distraction for the domestic failings of lots of countries today.

That distraction is handed to China by Trump. They have the moral high ground now and are entitled to use it.

They shouldn't have any plinth from which to preach moral values to the world after this but now they do.

It's sad to see the lack of tact, common sense, basic common decency and intelligence from a POTUS.

Hopefully not much longer.

Rvsmmnps · 15-04-2020 10:58AM

Mic 1972 wrote: »

Ireland has a population of roughly 5 million people. With 800 new cases per day we are the equivalent of a country like Spain if they had 8,000 cases per day
A lot of highly infected countries like italy or Spain managed to stay within the 6,000 new cases even during peak. We are not doing very well

With the known stats
On one given day that 800 people test positive in Ireland.
How many of them are ill enough to be admitted to hospital?
How many of them will die from covid 19? And how many of them deaths will be of people who are fit and middle aged?
How many deaths will be from people over 70 already ill?
How many will never show symptoms?
How many will have just a common cold?

tobefrank321 · 15-04-2020 10:58AM

KiKi III wrote: »

The Chinese don't claim to be the leader of the free world. Appointing your own country with a title like that carries with it a level of obligation.

I'm damn glad the US is the leader of the free world, whatever that means, rather than China.
I give the Chinese credit for getting on top of this in their own country, but not much more. They clearly pressurised the WHO to advise against a travel ban to and from China until it was completely contained there. That was a massive mistake by both China and the WHO.

Once covid 19 got to Europe and the US, it was going to be almost impossible to contain, as western governments don't have the same tyrannical powers used by China.

bilston · 15-04-2020 10:58AM

Funsterdelux wrote: »

Yeah i dont see any advantage at opening schools, they do feck all after easter anyway(esp primary) they should concentrate in getting a plan in place for Sept. I know alot of pressure is coming from the economic point of view(parents working) but decisions need to be fairly balanced.

There will be interest to see what happens in Denmark over the next two or three weeks.

The one advantage of trying to get schools re-opened, even for a week or two in June, that I can think of is that by the middle of July we will have some idea of the impact of re-opening schools on the infection rates. This might help planning for September.

smelly sock · 15-04-2020 11:00AM

Rvsmmnps wrote: »

With the known stats
On one given day that 800 people test positive in Ireland.
How many of them are ill enough to be admitted to hospital?
How many of them will die from covid 19? And how many of them deaths will be of people who are fit and middle aged?
How many deaths will be from people over 70 already ill?
How many will never show symptoms?
How many will have just a common cold?

I'd tend to agree.

It's not a popular opinion but I feel we are locking down the country to the detriment of millions and to benefit a few.

Surely the at risk categories can be protected with this shutdown?

is_that_so · 15-04-2020 11:00AM

davemckenna25 wrote: »

Are people waiting weeks to get tested or a percentage waiting on their results due to a back log?

The backlog in now down to about 6K and from what they said it would be cleared by the end of this week. That's out of 35K.

hotmail.com · 15-04-2020 11:01AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

That distraction is handed to China by Trump. They have the moral high ground now and are entitled to use it.

They shouldn't have any plinth from which to preach moral values to the world after this but now they do.

It's sad to see the lack of tact, common sense, basic common decency and intelligence from a POTUS.

Hopefully not much longer.

The attention on Trump from people here is misapplied.

We let our government off because so many get outraged about Trump.

quokula · 15-04-2020 11:02AM

hotmail.com wrote: »

It's all over RTE. And people are waiting weeks to get tested here.

We have one of the highest testing rates per capita in the world - more than twice the US and higher than countries like South Korea that many hold up as the gold standard.

There is a worldwide shortage of reagent and some delays are inevitable. The HSE have been open and transparent about the size of the backlog and the steps they're taking to reduce it and their aim to eliminate it soon with the help of the German testing.

Very few right thinking people could say our government has done much wrong in this crisis, obviously in an unprecedented situation some mistakes will get made but we've fortunately been exemplary in our handling of it.

None of this is in any way related to your attempt to deflect away criticism of Trump's appalling actions and his undermining of those who are trying to fight the virus.

nacho libre · 15-04-2020 11:02AM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Yeh...but...look over there...Trump.

Is it possible frank321 to hold both to account? Is your post an attempt to do what you accuse other of because America invests a lot here. Is your argument that this somehow makes them immune from criticism?

Hector Savage · 15-04-2020 11:03AM

I saw last night on a trip to shops some neighbours in an apartment block across the street from us having a chat, but they were literally 10cm apart, not a bother on them, I think I can understand why this is still spreading like absolute wildfire here in Spain and is not slowing down a bit - after one month of lockdown ..

is_that_so · 15-04-2020 11:03AM

hotmail.com wrote: »

The attention on Trump from people here is misapplied.

We let our government off because so many get outraged about Trump.

What should our outrage towards our own government be?

hotmail.com · 15-04-2020 11:03AM

nacho libre wrote: »

Is it possible frank321 to hold both to account? Is your post an attempt to do what you accuse other of because America invests a lot here. Is your argument that this somehow makes them immune from criticism?

Why would we want to hold Trump to account. We aren't living in America.

Blueshoe · 15-04-2020 11:04AM

hotmail.com wrote: »

The attention on Trump from people here is misapplied.

We let our government off because so many get outraged about Trump.

It's not surprising. The media pumps out Trump stories constantly. Open any media site, newspaper or broadcast. There will be mention of Trump. It's relentless.

bilston · 15-04-2020 11:04AM

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

Looking at the figures of new cases from likes of Austria (+54/day) and Switzerland (+87) these are growth of below 0.5 % .

I think Irish people need to know we have a long way to go to get to them figures - we are 10 times worse than that at present.

On the 30th March there were approximately 850 new confirmed cases in Austria. That's less than 3 weeks ago. Let's see where we are at the end of the month.

Austria and Denmark infection rates will be watched intently by everyone over the next 2-3 weeks. Let's hope they don't increase or increase significantly.

joe_99 · 15-04-2020 11:04AM

Blueshoe wrote: »

The Us over pay their share X3. Well within their rights to hold back any and all financial contributions.

https://www.investopedia.com/insights/worlds-top-economies/

USA is 23% of world economy so you could say they are underpaying.

3rd world countries rely on WHO. Western democracies will not be impacted by WHO funding decreases

Hrududu · 15-04-2020 11:05AM

hotmail.com wrote: »

What's the point of being tested at this rate?

To find out whether you had it and now are immune (well we assume you're immune if you've had it), put your mind at ease when restrictions are lifted.

Mic 1972 · 15-04-2020 11:05AM

Christy42 wrote: »

All those countries have natural social distancing through culture. It is why they are the best comparison for each other (though not perfect).

This thing about natural social distancing doesn't make much sense to me. No culture in the world keeps people 2 mts away from each other and has no pubs/restaurant/gyms and places where people mixed with each other. If that was the case than these countries wouldn't have regular flue epidemics every year

Iamabeliever · 15-04-2020 11:05AM

Rvsmmnps wrote: »

With the known stats
On one given day that 800 people test positive in Ireland.
How many of them are ill enough to be admitted to hospital?
How many of them will die from covid 19? And how many of them deaths will be of people who are fit and middle aged?
How many deaths will be from people over 70 already ill?
How many will never show symptoms?
How many will have just a common cold?

I think your stirring the pot?
I guess you never heard of FLATTENING THE CURVE!
Age of people who die is relative to ICU capacity.
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khalessi · 15-04-2020 11:05AM

bilston wrote: »

There will be interest to see what happens in Denmark over the next two or three weeks.

The one advantage of trying to get schools re-opened, even for a week or two in June, that I can think of is that by the middle of July we will have some idea of the impact of re-opening schools on the infection rates. This might help planning for September.

Children should not be used to test the viability of the hospitals, the spread of the disease and the effect on infection rates.

My concern is the Dept of Education will come up with a half assed plan for the exams and for reopening of schools not taking into account illnesses which prior to Covid19 were not a huge issue to deal with in schools but now could present major concerns.

Asthma, CF, diabetes, psoriasis depending on the medications you are on as they can make you immunocompromised, and that is just a few conditions to think about that were not a huge concern before Covid19. Hell even being overweight is comorbidity for Covid19.

When schools are resopened it should be done safely for the students and staff. But I can bet that allocation of classes will be left to the teacher. Bringing in half a class is between 15-18 children and that plus one or two adults is too much in one room.

A max of 6 students or just people in a room and even it just takes one carrier of Covid19.

Other buildings need to be taken over to accommodate the reopening of schools t be used as classrooms and in areas where there are a glut of schools this could prove problematic.

And that is not even before the daily deep clean of all locations used for teaching as Covid can stay on surfaces for up to 72hrs.

hotmail.com · 15-04-2020 11:05AM

is_that_so wrote: »

What should our outrage towards our own government be?

The failure to prepare nursing homes for this crisis. The lack of testing and the disgracefully slow time to get your results.

bilston · 15-04-2020 11:07AM

Hector Savage wrote: »

I saw last night on a trip to shops some neighbours in an apartment block across the street from us having a chat, but they were literally 10cm apart, not a bother on them, I think I can understand why this is still spreading like absolute wildfire here in Spain and is not slowing down a bit - after one month of lockdown ..

The number of new cases have almost halved in the last week in Spain. Obviously with Easter there might be a delay in reporting etc, but there is a definite downward trend in Spain.

is_that_so · 15-04-2020 11:07AM

smelly sock wrote: »

I'd tend to agree.

It's not a popular opinion but I feel we are locking down the country to the detriment of millions and to benefit a few.

Surely the at risk categories can be protected with this shutdown?

With a largely unknown pathogen it's a public health issue and we went with measures known to have an effect. With your quasi herd immunity approach, the health system would have been like Italy or Spain and the economy would have taken a massive hit anyway.

KrustyUCC · 15-04-2020 11:07AM

From Simon Harris twitter

"A number to give us hope this morning -77. The number of people with #Covid19 who have now been discharged from ICU. 77 lives recovering thanks to the amazing dedication of our health professionals. 77 families relieved. 77 reasons to motivate us & encourage us to stay the course"

Some good news

walshb · 15-04-2020 11:08AM

hotmail.com wrote: »

The attention on Trump from people here is misapplied.

We let our government off because so many get outraged about Trump.

Comparing anyone to that man is utterly ludicrous. He is completely off the scale in comparison.

He is so far off the line...

Nobody is saying any government is perfect, but by jaysus, ALL our politicians are so much more decent and human and dignified compared to this horror...IF one wants to compare, that is.

Xertz · 15-04-2020 11:08AM

What’s concerning me is that people in the media, many of those commenting online and including several on this thread, STILL keep comparing raw numbers of detected cases in countries that are carrying out vastly different testing regimes.

Unless we have comparable, random population samples those figures aren’t comparable as they just indicate the volume of tests being carried out and have selection bias if those tests are being targeted only towards symptomatic people.

All it will do is cause countries that are less than transparent or have a political system that is concerned about painting a pretty picture to reduce volumes of tests.

Ireland is genuinely carrying out a very high number of tests per capita. It’s still not enough, but there’s a general capacity issue on this globally due to how those tests are processed using the techniques we have access to so far.

However constantly comparing the numbers of cases *detected* is absolutely meaningless.

Likewise even the morality rate is hard to compare because different places are excluding and including people who died with other underlying diseases where Coronavirus has just pushed them over the edge and others aren’t even publishing figures for people who died outside of hospital contexts, which could be as many as half of their cases.

Blueshoe · 15-04-2020 11:09AM

hotmail.com wrote: »

The failure to prepare nursing homes for this crisis. The lack of testing and the disgracefully slow time to get your results.

I clicked on the journal app. Top story is two headlines in one. A recap. First sentence is about Trump cutting who funding. Second is deaths in Ireland now over 400.

Which headline should be first?

Gynoid · 15-04-2020 11:09AM

khalessi wrote: »

Children should not be used to test the viability of the hospitals, the spread of the disease and the effect on infection rates.

My concern is the Dept of Education will come up with a half assed plan for the exams and for reopening of schools not taking into account illnesses which prior to Covid19 were not a huge issue to deal with in schools but now could present major concerns.

Asthma, CF, diabetes, psoriasis depending on the medications you are on as they can make you immunocompromised, and that is just a few conditions to think about that were not a huge concern before Covid19. Hell even being overweight is comorbidity for Covid19.

When schools are resopened it should be done safely for the students and staff. But I can bet that allocation of classes will be left to the teacher. Bringing in half a class is between 15-18 children and that plus one or two adults is too much in one room.

A max of 6 students in a room and even it just takes one carrier of Covid19.

Other buildings need to be taken over to accommodate the reopening of schools t be used as classrooms and in areas where there are a glut of schools this could prove problematic.

And that is not even before the daily deep clean of all locations used for teaching as Covid can stay on surfaces for up to 72hrs.

I have a good friend who is a teacher in Sweden and I asked him how is it going, he said it is impossible to make the children follow the rules, that he is not scared for himself on a personal level, but that he does not want to leave his children fatherless. Sounds great.

Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

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