Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

FishOnABike · 15-04-2020 09:52AM

smelly sock wrote: »

Controlled easing of restrictions and the lockdown.

Varadkar shouldn't have extended it by 3.5 weeks. That was wrong.

If you look at the criteria necessary for lifting lockdown restrictions as indicated by European commission president Ursula von der Leyen

is_that_so wrote: »

EU roadmap

https://twitter.com/JenniferMerode/status/1250350375439237121

We are not there yet and were even further away from it when the current restrictions were put in place.

When we do get to where we need to be to consider relaxing restrictions, it will need to be baby steps, with weeks between them to assess the effect, to ensure the spread stays under control.

XsApollo · 15-04-2020 09:52AM

smelly sock wrote: »

Controlled easing of restrictions and the lockdown.

Varadkar shouldn't have extended it by 3.5 weeks. That was wrong.

That can be changed anytime.
There is no point in lifting the lock down until we have the back log of tests cleared and can turn around swabs taken within 24 hours for the result.
I believe that should be happening next week according to them.
We won’t have a clear picture of where we are until we are doing the above.

You feel ill ,ring , get a swab taken on the same day and result in the morning.

If your ok max you will be isolating is the one day.
You test positive you know within 24 hours.
With social distancing in place your contacts should be minimal and be traced with greater accuracy to control the spread.

The lock down won’t be lifted until that is happening.

Lift it before that can happen and the spread will be far greater for positive cases.

timmy_mallet · 15-04-2020 09:53AM

Funsterdelux wrote: »

These guys?

I mean, he won't answer why he thinks those notorious liars J&J are best placed to receive the dosh.

smelly sock · 15-04-2020 09:53AM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Italy taking disinfection very seriously including roads with help from Russia.

LOMBARDY, ITALY APRIL 14, 2020: A video screen grab shows a Russian military expert carrying out disinfection procedures at a hospital in Brignano Gera d'Adda outside Bergamo.

Servicemen of the Russian Nuclear, Biological and Chemical Protection Troops in cooperation with Italian counterparts have successfully disinfected healthcare institutions in 55 cities and towns of Bergamo,
namely 59 buildings and facilities,

over 370,000sqm of indoor premises

and more than 45,000sqm of hard-top roads.

The Italians must be useless.

Can't do anything for themselves.

Gynoid · 15-04-2020 09:53AM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Yes he was on tonight show last night - said as much about Roma and Brazilians. Said some Roma have already been in ICU.

Pseudonym in AMA said Roma will be badly affected.

is_that_so · 15-04-2020 09:54AM

XsApollo wrote: »

That can be changed anytime.
There is no point in lifting the lock down until we have the back log of tests cleared and can turn around swabs taken within 24 hours for the result.
I believe that should be happening next week according to them.
We won’t have a clear picture of where we are until we are doing the above.

You feel ill ,ring , get a swab taken on the same day and result in the morning.

If your ok max you will be isolating is the one day.
You test positive you know within 24 hours.
With social distancing in place your contacts should be minimal and be traced with greater accuracy to control the spread.

The lock down won’t be lifted until that is happening.

Lift it before that can happen and the spread will be far greater for positive cases.

It will not be a guaranteed 24 hour turnaround in the community. They've spoken of 24-48 hours as real time.

khalessi · 15-04-2020 09:54AM

smelly sock wrote: »

A lot on here seem to be in favour of lockdown without a deadline.

How long do you think we should stay shut?

Not forever, but you keep comparing us to the Swedes who socialise differently to us, they are more reserved whereas the Irish like to congregate in large groups. So by extending he knocked gatherings out for 2 bank hoidays and we stll have to get through the June bank holiday.

You mentioned the Danish schools in another post. They are allowing 6 metres squared per child in a room and and a list of other requirements.

The level of Covid has to be small enough not to overwhelm the hospitals when the levels surge when the restrictions are relaxed. Children are vectors and the first thing they will want to do when they see each other is hug.

Here the schools would need to be deep cleaned daily properly not a mop dragged around the floors and there isnt the budget to do it.

THe space isnt there in schools for all the chldren, as you cant just lump them back into class. Other buildings will have to betaken over and it takes time to get them ready as they will have to be child safe.

This has to be planned right and safely for everyone. I would rather the time was taken to plan it correctly then the usual half assed attempts just for optics and social media

smelly sock · 15-04-2020 09:55AM

XsApollo wrote: »

That can be changed anytime.
There is no point in lifting the lock down until we have the back log of tests cleared and can turn around swabs taken within 24 hours for the result.
I believe that should be happening next week according to them.
We won’t have a clear picture of where we are until we are doing the above.

You feel ill ,ring , get a swab taken on the same day and result in the morning.

If your ok max you will be isolating is the one day.
You test positive you know within 24 hours.
With social distancing in place your contacts should be minimal and be traced with greater accuracy to control the spread.

The lock down won’t be lifted until that is happening.

Lift it before that can happen and the spread will be far greater for positive cases.

How long do you think we should leave the Economy on lockdown?

caveat emptor · 15-04-2020 09:56AM

smelly sock wrote: »

The Italians must be useless.

Can't do anything for themselves.

Are we doing that? I wouldn't call anybody useless when dealing with a problem of this scale. We've had quite a history of hospital acquired infections, I imagine this will be no different.

Our PPE does not look like that.

is_that_so · 15-04-2020 09:56AM

smelly sock wrote: »

The Italians must be useless.

Can't do anything for themselves.

It's a good opportunity for both Russia and China to "help" as Italy have been bitchin' about EU support since the start of it.

khalessi · 15-04-2020 09:56AM

Iamabeliever wrote: »

I only implied schools as school children are known to present no symptoms and no Ill effects. Have you any ideas yourself ?

Maybe at the moment but they can carry it and give it to other people who may not be so lucky and I would hate to be a child old enough to think I gave that to Granny or mum or dad

McMurphy · 15-04-2020 09:56AM

I received an email yesterday from work, and am supposedly going on a 2 week work placement to a suppliers factory in Wuhan later in 2020.

It will probably be a memory by then, but I think I'll be passing up such a wonderful opportunity all the same. :cool:

They can just send some samples to Ireland instead imo.

is_that_so · 15-04-2020 09:58AM

Simon says!
https://twitter.com/simoncoveney/status/1250348979595792392

smelly sock · 15-04-2020 09:58AM

is_that_so wrote: »

Simon says!
https://twitter.com/simoncoveney/status/1250348979595792392

FG talking about leadership.

LOL

smelly sock · 15-04-2020 09:59AM

McMurphy wrote: »

I received an email yesterday from work, and am supposedly going on a 2 week work placement to a suppliers factory in Wuhan later in 2020.

It will probably be a memory by then, but I think I'll be passing up such a wonderful opportunity all the same. :cool:

They can just send some samples to Ireland instead imo.

You'd be crazy to go anywhere near the kip.

Cork Boy 53 · 15-04-2020 10:02AM

Gynoid wrote: »

Pseudonym in AMA said Roma will be badly affected.

The HSE consultant on the AMA thread did indeed predict this would happen weeks ago. Interesting to see if there also are or will be clusters among the travelling community which he also singled out in the thread.

Blueshoe · 15-04-2020 10:02AM

is_that_so wrote: »

Simon says!
https://twitter.com/simoncoveney/status/1250348979595792392

Comical

Charles Babbage · 15-04-2020 10:03AM

khalessi wrote: »

Not forever, but you keep comparing us to the Swedes who socialise differently to us, they are more reserved whereas the Irish like to congregate in large groups. So by extending he knocked gatherings out for 2 bank hoidays and we stll have to get through the June bank holiday.

You mentioned the Danish schools in another post. They are allowing 6 metres squared per child in a room and and a list of other requirements.

The level of Covid has to be small enough not to overwhelm the hospitals when the levels surge when the restrictions are relaxed. Children are vectors and the first thing they will want to do when they see each other is hug.

Here the schools would need to be deep cleaned daily properly not a mop dragged around the floors and there isnt the budget to do it.

THe space isnt there in schools for all the chldren, as you cant just lump them back into class. Other buildings will have to betaken over and it takes time to get them ready as they will have to be child safe.

This has to be planned right and safely for everyone. I would rather the time was taken to plan it correctly then the usual half assed attempts just for optics and social media

Some countries are bringing in half the students on alternate days to allow spacing in the classroom.

Cleaning needs to be addressed, approaches like UV light have to be used and the budget needs to be found for this in all public buildings.

Blueshoe wrote: »

Comical

Coveney is correct. Trump is disgusting.

Professor Moriarty · 15-04-2020 10:05AM

is_that_so wrote: »

Simon says!
https://twitter.com/simoncoveney/status/1250348979595792392

Well said Coveney.

Blueshoe · 15-04-2020 10:07AM

Charles Babbage wrote: »

Some countries are bringing in half the students on alternate days to allow spacing in the classroom.

Cleaning needs to be addressed, approaches like UV light have to be used and the budget needs to be found for this in all public buildings.

Coveney is correct. Trump is disgusting.

The Us over pay their share X3. Well within their rights to hold back any and all financial contributions.
Coveney is a small fish in a big pond.

khalessi · 15-04-2020 10:08AM

Charles Babbage wrote: »

Some countries are bringing in half the students on alternate days to allow spacing in the classroom.

Cleaning needs to be addressed, approaches like UV light have to be used and the budget needs to be found for this in all public buildings.

.

Hence a well thought of plan needs to be thought out not one pandering to the baying masses. And even half a class here of 15-18 children is too much in one room. They would need to split into small groups of no more then six and a teacher and SNA for health and safety and other buildings co opted for space at the most basic.

PPE handed out to staff and masks for children

Professor Moriarty · 15-04-2020 10:08AM

khalessi wrote: »

Not forever, but you keep comparing us to the Swedes who socialise differently to us, they are more reserved whereas the Irish like to congregate in large groups. So by extending he knocked gatherings out for 2 bank hoidays and we stll have to get through the June bank holiday.

You mentioned the Danish schools in another post. They are allowing 6 metres squared per child in a room and and a list of other requirements.

The level of Covid has to be small enough not to overwhelm the hospitals when the levels surge when the restrictions are relaxed. Children are vectors and the first thing they will want to do when they see each other is hug.

Here the schools would need to be deep cleaned daily properly not a mop dragged around the floors and there isnt the budget to do it.

THe space isnt there in schools for all the chldren, as you cant just lump them back into class. Other buildings will have to betaken over and it takes time to get them ready as they will have to be child safe.

This has to be planned right and safely for everyone. I would rather the time was taken to plan it correctly then the usual half assed attempts just for optics and social media

40% of Swedes live alone.

growleaves · 15-04-2020 10:08AM

FishOnABike wrote: »

If you're prepared to make the choice for one third of the world's population being infected and between 3% and 4% of the world's population dying because of it, go ahead but be among the first to volunteer yourself.

We know more now than a century ago. Ignorance of the foreseeable consequences cannot be used as an excuse for how we manage or mismanage the current pandemic.

What you're doing though you may not realise it is making multiple unverifiable assumptions - about the efficacy of the lockdown, about the number of infections, about the representativeness of places like Lombardy - and piling them one of top of another in a sequence.

The death rate from coronavirus globally stands at 127k after five months (one-sixth of a harsh flu year).

Yet you're predicting circa 300 million deaths globally if the lockdown is lifted, which it soon will be.

Belarus, with no lockdown, should have about 400,000 deaths from coronavirus going by your figures and assumptions. So far the death toll there is 33.

khalessi · 15-04-2020 10:09AM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

40% of Swedes live alone.

Thats my point social isolation ws not as much a deal for them as for us

poppers · 15-04-2020 10:10AM

XsApollo wrote: »

That can be changed anytime.
There is no point in lifting the lock down until we have the back log of tests cleared and can turn around swabs taken within 24 hours for the result.
I believe that should be happening next week according to them.
We won’t have a clear picture of where we are until we are doing the above.

You feel ill ,ring , get a swab taken on the same day and result in the morning.

If your ok max you will be isolating is the one day.
You test positive you know within 24 hours.
With social distancing in place your contacts should be minimal and be traced with greater accuracy to control the spread.

The lock down won’t be lifted until that is happening.

Lift it before that can happen and the spread will be far greater for positive cases.

The logistics of getting tested and results back with in 24 hrs wont happen. It will be 48 to 72hrs at best.
1. Ring doc
2. Book test
3. Get test
4 perform swab
5 ship swab to lab
6 test swab
6 lab send result to hse/doc
7 report to patient

smelly sock · 15-04-2020 10:12AM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

40% of Swedes live alone.

Jaysus didint know that. A bit of a turnip for the books.

is_that_so · 15-04-2020 10:13AM

Blueshoe wrote: »

The Us over pay their share X3. Well within their rights to hold back any and all financial contributions.
Coveney is a small fish in a big pond.

X3 you claim? According to this it would put them barely on par with the UK. They've already cut funding to this level anyway.

https://www.statista.com/chart/21372/assessed-contributions-to-the-world-health-organization/

CitizenFloor · 15-04-2020 10:13AM

McMurphy wrote: »

I received an email yesterday from work, and am supposedly going on a 2 week work placement to a suppliers factory in Wuhan later in 2020.

It will probably be a memory by then, but I think I'll be passing up such a wonderful opportunity all the same. :cool:

They can just send some samples to Ireland instead imo.

I'd go....dying to get out of the house :rolleyes:

declanflynn · 15-04-2020 10:14AM

growleaves wrote: »

What you're doing though you may not realise it is making multiple unverifiable assumptions - about the efficacy of the lockdown, about the number of infections, about the representativeness of places like Lombardy - and piling them one of top of another in a sequence.

The death rate from coronavirus globally stands at 127k after five months (one-sixth of a harsh flu year).

Yet you're predicting circa 300 million deaths globally is the lockdown is lifted, which it soon will be.

Belarus, with no lockdown, should have about 400,000 deaths from coronavirus going by your figures and assumptions. So far the death toll there is 33.

And they would be **** hot at doing an accurate count

XsApollo · 15-04-2020 10:16AM

is_that_so wrote: »

It will not be a guaranteed 24 hour turnaround in the community. They've spoken of 24-48 hours as real time.

Well the logic is still the same, turning around tests as they are coming.

Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

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