Opel Corsa-e

rivegauche · 22-05-2019 2:22pm #1

https://www.carscoops.com/2019/05/2020-opel-vauxhall-corsa-shows-itself-ahead-of-schedule-in-leaked-photos/

Looks nice. Interior looks good.

Based on the Peugeot 208.

Should be generous discounts for this in my part of the world.

136ps through front wheels might be a bit of a handful as traction control keeps kicking in on my 110ps EV.

dimensions mentioned here.
https://www.motor1.com/news/350786/2020-opel-corsa-spy-shots/

should be a bit sportier than a Zoe due to the lower ride height and more modern chassis.

Mike9832 · 22-05-2019 2:46pm

rivegauche wrote: »

https://www.carscoops.com/2019/05/2020-opel-vauxhall-corsa-shows-itself-ahead-of-schedule-in-leaked-photos/

Looks nice. Interior looks good.

Based on the Peugeot 208.

Should be generous discounts for this in my part of the world.

136ps through front wheels might be a bit of a handful as traction control keeps kicking in on my 110ps EV.

dimensions mentioned here.
https://www.motor1.com/news/350786/2020-opel-corsa-spy-shots/

should be a bit sportier than a Zoe due to the lower ride height and more modern chassis.

Where do you live?

Won't be any discounts here thats for sure

Cant see much change from €30,000 here after grants

Would love one, should be lightweight and 136ps is plenty in a small car, especially electric

Maybe in 2025 they'll be a reasonable price

Only €20,000 to cut

unkel · 22-05-2019 4:42pm

Small hatchback cars look terrible with 5 doors, is there a 3 door version?

show me the money.1 · 23-05-2019 12:21pm

Only a 5 door version will be available 3 door is not planned at the moment.

Mike9832 · 05-06-2019 12:01am

Base model is 30,000 in the UK

Vauxhall sent out mails today

Having a laugh was the usual reply to the news

EV scene is really in the dogs

https://www.vauxhall.co.uk/cars/new-corsa/offers-finance/flexible-pcp.html

unkel · 05-06-2019 12:25am

The on the road price is GBP27k (from your link)

Madness...

rivegauche · 05-06-2019 9:48am

https://www.opel.de/content/dam/opel/germany/fahrzeuge/corsa-e/downloads/Corsa_e_20.0_PRL_D.pdf

Prices in Germany are very high too and they've worked over the specification list to make sure a lot of the stuff you expect included is an optional extra. They are being sneaky with the on-board chargers and charging cables too.

You will not be getting an Corsa-e in the specification you want for less than €34 to 35k retail in Germany

There is absolutely no reason to buy this fwd supermini electric car ahead of a VW id 3 which is rwd and much larger at this price.

Hopefully the Zoe facelift is more reasonably priced and that they work some magic on the aerodynamics, batteries and motor so that it can get similar range to the Corsa-e while keeping the smaller 41kwh battery size rather than being forced to 50kwh.

Opel are really pushing leasing deals for this rather than pushing the retail price. They believe people will be happy to pay 300 to 400 euro per month for this on a lease.

05-06-2019 9:54am

=we don't want to sell this in volume yet but target the geeks and celebrities who buy one as greenwash PR.

rivegauche · 05-06-2019 9:59am

There is no way I'd buy this ahead of a Citigo iV or Zoe or ID3 at this price.

Brera · 06-06-2019 6:34pm

rivegauche wrote: »

https://www.opel.de/content/dam/opel/germany/fahrzeuge/corsa-e/downloads/Corsa_e_20.0_PRL_D.pdf

Prices in Germany are very high too and they've worked over the specification list to make sure a lot of the stuff you expect included is an optional extra. They are being sneaky with the on-board chargers and charging cables too.

You will not be getting an Corsa-e in the specification you want for less than €34 to 35k retail in Germany

There is absolutely no reason to buy this fwd supermini electric car ahead of a VW id 3 which is rwd and much larger at this price.

Hopefully the Zoe facelift is more reasonably priced and that they work some magic on the aerodynamics, batteries and motor so that it can get similar range to the Corsa-e while keeping the smaller 41kwh battery size rather than being forced to 50kwh.

Opel are really pushing leasing deals for this rather than pushing the retail price. They believe people will be happy to pay 300 to 400 euro per month for this on a lease.

They do really seem to be taking the piss with the pricing for this

I wonder how many ICE Corsa’s do they currently sell via leasing deals ?

The leasing price looks ok when you factor in the savings from charging vs paying for petrol etc but you would be mad to buy one over the likes of a VW ID3

rivegauche · 07-08-2019 10:52am

Checked discounts available to me for E-Corsa and they are offering a discount of only 7% off retail. I also went through the configuration tool on the website and I was north of 35000 before I got the car specified close to my liking.
They also charge for the cables you need(at least here).

The Zoe 50kw price lists aren't on the official website yet but online resellers are already ordering them and a Zoe is considerably cheaper. The discount was and I expect for the new model to be 22%. Fast charge appears to be a 890 euro option

https://www.ludego.com/produkt/renault-zoe-intens-r135-z-e-50-r135/

I can see myself buying a Zoe 50kw(with "slow" 22kw charging) instead of an eCorsa as it costs considerably less to get a top of the range trim level.
The monthly rental isn't a factor for me as I wouldn't pay full rate.

Also Peugeot are pitching the 208 as more expensive than the Fiesta and Polo so the e-208 will be equally expensive.
https://www.carscoops.com/2019/08/2020-peugeot-208-to-be-more-expensive-than-ford-fiesta-vw-polo/

There is no way anyone will buy the E-Corsa or E208 ahead of a Zoe below 30 and ID3 at around 35k. They are compliance vehicles not looking for Customers.

07-08-2019 9:07pm

Prices are high to keep the Tax payer gravy train finding the car companies and they don't care if people don''t buy them because they will make much more money selling ICE's.

07-08-2019 9:10pm

rivegauche wrote: »

136ps through front wheels might be a bit of a handful as traction control keeps kicking in on my 110ps EV.

Yes FWD electrics are a pain in the bloody arse if you ask me. The Leaf 150 Hp is a joke in the wet and the Kona EV is ridiculous altogether even in the dry I didn;t test it in the wet and add to that the torque steer, not very enjoyable use of the power that's for sure. A b1tch at junctions and roundabouts and the danger is getting wheel spin as you go around a bend or try to over take.......

I3 has it's limitations but it's so much better in RWD and it is shocking to think BMW are cheeping out and going FWD !!!

n97 mini · 08-08-2019 6:18pm

If you've a problem spinning the wheels coming out of a junction in a FWD car, start with the wheels straight. If you're still spinning, your foot is too big and your wife would probably be better at it.

Having said that the only time I did a full 180 spin coming out of a junction was just after rain in a RWD.

09-08-2019 1:00am

n97 mini wrote: »

If you've a problem spinning the wheels coming out of a junction in a FWD car, start with the wheels straight. If you're still spinning, your foot is too big and your wife would probably be better at it.

Having said that the only time I did a full 180 spin coming out of a junction was just after rain in a RWD.

Lol, no, seriously, the wheel spin in the 40 Kwh Leaf and Kona is annoying.

unkel · 09-08-2019 1:40am

Those are 150BHP and 200BHP FWD cars with massive torque on tyres made for economy / range. I haven't driven either but I can well believe the spin is ridiculous if the traction is less than perfect

Even my Ioniq (118BHP, 295Nm) has spin (and thus retarded acceleration) unless the road is bone dry

I believe a change to better tyres will (mostly) fix this.

rivegauche · 09-08-2019 10:15am

my tyres spin too. I approach curving junctions with traffic lights so that I don't have to go around as much of a bend and take them straighter so that I get better traction but even in straight ahead position on a wet day it is very easy to spin tyres. (I hope that made some sense)

10-08-2019 10:51pm

unkel wrote: »

I believe a change to better tyres will (mostly) fix this.

If I remember correctly, I went from C rated wet stock tyres on the Gen 1.5 Leaf to A or B can't remember, it made a difference but wasn't a cure , with 150-200 Hp I doubt it would make much difference.

unkel · 10-08-2019 11:32pm

Drove a few times in the rain today. We've had so little rain for such a long time that I forgot how brutal traction was in the wet

That my fronts are down to below 4mm doesn't help either. Will get them replaced sooner rather than later. With my driving style it's a miracle they're lasting 40k km. They owe me nothing!

rocky · 13-08-2019 8:42pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBNww4ODDZ4

rocky · 13-08-2019 8:49pm

€30k, 11kW AC, 100kW DC, 50kWh battery

KCross · 13-08-2019 9:21pm

rocky wrote: »

€30k, 11kW AC, 100kW DC, 50kWh battery

I find it difficult to watch him.... describing the lines of the car and I wasnt spending 30mins to get the salient points!

So, one question.... the €30k is for what market and is it before or after grants?

Also, the 11kW 3-phase AC is likely to be ditched by the time it hits Ireland... thats usually a continential europe option and gets stripped out here to 7kW single phase.

14-08-2019 11:57am

KCross wrote: »

I find it difficult to watch him.... describing the lines of the car and I wasnt spending 30mins to get the salient points!

So, one question.... the €30k is for what market and is it before or after grants?

Also, the 11kW 3-phase AC is likely to be ditched by the time it hits Ireland... thats usually a continential europe option and gets stripped out here to 7kW single phase.

Hopefully the charger can do what for example the i3 does and can combine two 3.7 kW phase recifiers as one 7.4 kW rectifier when connected to a 32 Amp single phase supply. Three phase 11 kW would be sweet for the 22 kW charging points here too and a shame if lost in translation.

Nolars · 28-08-2019 9:32pm

https://youtu.be/9X44THYf4tI

unkel · 28-08-2019 10:14pm

That's looking very promising. Lots to like about it. 8 years bumper to bumper warranty, that's showing confidence too. 330km WLTP range for presumably under €30k on the road here - still a lot of money for a supermini though...

Interesting that it can charge and discharge at just 2C (100kW). They kept that very safe despite using liquid cooling. At 3C this car would have beaten any hot hatch from the lights and be fill up very quickly at Ionity chargers. Crazy wheel spin and torque steer though

liamog · 11-03-2020 3:03pm

Linders will be hosting an e-Corsa preview event this Saturday at 10am.

https://www.facebook.com/events/721752728360700/

eagerv · 15-04-2020 11:01am

Any info on the actual prices yet?
I know Bob mentioned on his vlog yesterday https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Au4V9St2gEs but cannot see anything official yet on Opel website

Round Cable · 15-04-2020 11:21am

eagerv wrote: »

Any info on the actual prices yet?
I know Bob mentioned on his vlog yesterday https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Au4V9St2gEs but cannot see anything official yet on Opel website

From a dealer on Facebook
SC €27338
Elite €30800

Inclusive of all grants.

KCross · 15-04-2020 12:15pm

Round Cable wrote: »

From a dealer on Facebook
SC €27338
Elite €30800

Inclusive of all grants.

Looks identical to the Peugeot e208 so, which has the same drivetrain.

Gael23 · 04-05-2020 6:52pm

Price is way off the mark. For not much more you could have a Nissan Lea which is a much bigger car

JohnC. · 04-05-2020 7:08pm

What about things other than size? Not everyone wants a bigger car.

05-05-2020 9:07am

samih wrote: »

=we don't want to sell this in volume yet but target the geeks and celebrities who buy one as greenwash PR.

You hit the nail on the head, of course they don't want to sell in large numbers, it will eat into much more profitable ICE sales. The same for any PSA brand EV, though in fairness, there probably wouldn't be an EV Corsa at all if it was still owned by GM.

n97 mini · 05-05-2020 10:47am

Deleted User wrote: »

You hit the nail on the head, of course they don't want to sell in large numbers, it will eat into much more profitable ICE sales. The same for any PSA brand EV, though in fairness, there probably wouldn't be an EV Corsa at all if it was still owned by GM.

There wouldn't as they already make the Chevy Bolt, which is a better car.

liamog · 05-05-2020 12:31pm

n97 mini wrote: »

There wouldn't as they already make the Chevy Bolt, which is a better car.

The Opel Ampera-e was a terrible supermini.

05-05-2020 6:39pm

n97 mini wrote: »

There wouldn't as they already make the Chevy Bolt, which is a better car.

Yeah, actually I forgot about the Bolt, it was ahead of it's time but limited volume not sold outside the U.S. as far as I remember, Shame.

n97 mini · 05-05-2020 9:12pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Yeah, actually I forgot about the Bolt, it was ahead of it's time but limited volume not sold outside the U.S. as far as I remember, Shame.

You're half right. Was/is sold as the Ampera-e outside the US, but only in LHD form. Was never made in RHD.

liamog · 30-06-2020 1:26pm

Fully Charged review of the Corsa.

Ryath · 30-06-2020 1:34pm

Had a test drive a few days ago just to see how it drove. Have to say I was pretty impressed. It handles well' is quite nippy and responsive up to 80 dies a bit after that on the 80 to 120 test but still not bad.

Interior is good for its class and it's surprisingly roomy for a supermini. Didn't get into pricing so don't know if it's good enough value for money. The Id3 is probably a better buy and the 208 is better looking outside and in. Will get pricing another day but I'd say we'll wait for the El Born.

sekond · 22-07-2020 6:21pm

I've just taken the plunge and put a deposit on one. It was the goldilocks car for me - all the other were either too big or too small, the corsa e was just right!

I was pretty impressed with the car and how it drove, but seeing as I'm coming from an ancient Toyota Corrolla, it was always going to be a pleasure to drive.

Jimjay · 29-07-2020 2:53pm

sekond wrote: »

I've just taken the plunge and put a deposit on one. It was the goldilocks car for me - all the other were either too big or too small, the corsa e was just right!

I was pretty impressed with the car and how it drove, but seeing as I'm coming from an ancient Toyota Corrolla, it was always going to be a pleasure to drive.

Hi.
Did you get yours yet?

I ordered one a couple of days ago. Dealer said it can take a couple of weeks for the grant to come through. Seems like there is plenty of stock in ireland but apparantly waiting on the grant.

Are you getting the free charger installed through opel?

Thanks

sekond · 29-07-2020 3:13pm

Jimjay wrote: »

Hi.
Did you get yours yet?

I ordered one a couple of days ago. Dealer said it can take a couple of weeks for the grant to come through. Seems like there is plenty of stock in ireland but apparantly waiting on the grant.

Are you getting the free charger installed through opel?

Thanks

I'm hoping to get it in the next day or so. Apparently it is with the dealer, but he's just waiting for confirmation on the grant to come through before he registers it.

I'm getting the free charger installed, but no detail on that yet as I only got letter of offer through today, so need to organise that next.

Jimjay · 29-07-2020 3:21pm

sekond wrote: »

I'm hoping to get it in the next day or so. Apparently it is with the dealer, but he's just waiting for confirmation on the grant to come through before he registers it.

I'm getting the free charger installed, but no detail on that yet as I only got letter of offer through today, so need to organise that next.

Cool. Did you get quote for insurance yet? I was trying to find out if it would make much difference to premium but cant get a reg number to try it and its hard to get through to my insurer on phone.

KCross · 29-07-2020 3:23pm

Jimjay wrote: »

Are you getting the free charger installed through opel?

sekond wrote: »

I'm getting the free charger installed, but no detail on that yet as I only got letter of offer through today, so need to organise that next.

What charge point are they providing for free?

Do they do the entire thing including the €600 grant application and providing an electrician etc for you?

Jimjay · 29-07-2020 3:26pm

KCross wrote: »

What charge point are they providing for free?

Do they do the entire thing including the €600 grant application and providing an electrician etc for you?

Supplied and fitted all in. (Have to change provider to energia) Apparently dealer arranges grant too.
Just says smart charger. Dont know much about it.

sekond · 29-07-2020 5:31pm

For the charger - you pay the €600 and get the grant yourself. The person I spoke to didn't know about what sort of charger it was, but I'm expecting a call back tomorrow from someone who has more detail.

In my case I wasn't too bothered about the type of charger, we have a very basic requirement, no power shower, no solar etc, so I'm happy enough to get it all dealt with for the €600 for the grant.

Edited to add - I just remembered I'd seen a picture on the website - went back to look and it's an EO of some type.

KCross · 29-07-2020 5:39pm

ok, one of these guys then...
https://www.eocharging.com/home-charging

sekond · 30-07-2020 6:36pm

Well, its sitting in my driveway and I'm very pleased. The drive home was lovely.

The only difficulty so far is that I'm so used to the ancient technology of my old car that I've so far managed to set the alarm off twice, couldn't get the parking brake on, and I'm not entirely confident that I'm even turning the car off right!!

sekond · 30-07-2020 9:40pm

Well, it seems not everything is smooth sailing. There is an issue with the key not working properly (locking it means the alarm goes for 5 minutes and then in can't be unlocked by the fob, you have to use the physical key).

Added to the fact that the dealer only had 50km worth of charge in it when I collected it. In my innocence I thought that was more than enough to get me to a charging station and home again (it got me there, but for the life of me I couldn't get the car to charge and the alarm kept going off , so I limped home with about 10km to spare). Its currently (I think/hope) charging with a granny cable and the dealer has promised to sort out the issues in the morning.

Not the finest start to my electric car owning experience...!

krissovo · 31-07-2020 1:23am

sekond wrote: »

Well, it seems not everything is smooth sailing. There is an issue with the key not working properly (locking it means the alarm goes for 5 minutes and then in can't be unlocked by the fob, you have to use the physical key).

Added to the fact that the dealer only had 50km worth of charge in it when I collected it. In my innocence I thought that was more than enough to get me to a charging station and home again (it got me there, but for the life of me I couldn't get the car to charge and the alarm kept going off , so I limped home with about 10km to spare). Its currently (I think/hope) charging with a granny cable and the dealer has promised to sort out the issues in the morning.

Not the finest start to my electric car owning experience...!

I hope your experience with EV's improve. Your start is not the normal experience and i suspect that it has a lot to do with a inexperienced dealer network.

slave1 · 31-07-2020 9:00am

sekond wrote: »

Well, its sitting in my driveway and I'm very pleased. The drive home was lovely.

The only difficulty so far is that I'm so used to the ancient technology of my old car that I've so far managed to set the alarm off twice, couldn't get the parking brake on, and I'm not entirely confident that I'm even turning the car off right!!

Photos!

sekond · 31-07-2020 9:23am

It's a beautiful piece of sculpture, isn't it?!

(Dealer coming in next hour to take it away and check it, they suspect an issue with the set up - on top of all the other issues, after 6 hours attached to the granny charger the battery has actually decreased and is now at less than 5%)

I can already hear my highly sceptical mother saying "I told you so".

Opel Corsa-e

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