The Chinese Big Lie

cryptocurrency · 14-04-2020 06:01PM

alwald wrote: »

There is no doubt that the Chinese government hid a lot of information and they should be held accountable for the current situation and deaths of the rest of the world.

when does the schools go back

cryptocurrency · 14-04-2020 06:20PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

"When *do* the schools go back?"

ya..cool bro

JPCN1 · 14-04-2020 06:36PM

Wibbs wrote: »

TBH K I trust some US "sources" just as much as Chinese "sources" on a lot of fronts. The war of words has kicked off in a big way. Maybe not nearly as hamfisted a way as the Chinese government operate their propaganda, but even a free press can be nudged in one direction or the other.

The Washington Post would be a liberal paper if I'm correct and Rogin is staff?

cryptocurrency · 14-04-2020 06:57PM

JPCN1 wrote: »

The Washington Post would be a liberal paper if I'm correct and Rogin is staff?

It is exactly what ever you were told it is at all times, it's that simple, like everything else.

bob mcbob · 14-04-2020 07:18PM

cryptocurrency wrote: »

not really. countires like Mongolia and Lao were smarter than the G7

Today is Tuesday the 14th April.

I can also make statements which bear no relation to anything being said on the thread.

BarryD2 · 14-04-2020 09:17PM

cryptocurrency wrote: »

but still wriggling it's way through the crowds avoiding all of the expats, their friends, family and all leaked foottage...clever virus.

Well Crypto, please explain just how the Chinese authorities managed to stamp out this virus virtually stone dead over a few days when the growth trajectory was similar to what has been seen elsewhere. Climbing steadily over Jan into Feb from a few hundred cases to 60,000 cases and then Bam.............. virus cases decline rapidly and die out.

?????????????? Please enlighten us.

cryptocurrency · 14-04-2020 10:10PM

125k confirmed deaths from Covid19

about 111k of them in Europe and North America. 100k in UK,US, Spain, Italy and France.

Combined population around 560m which China is about 2.5 times bigger.

cryptocurrency · 14-04-2020 10:13PM

BarryD2 wrote: »

Well Crypto, please explain just how the Chinese authorities managed to stamp out this virus virtually stone dead over a few days when the growth trajectory was similar to what has been seen elsewhere. Climbing steadily over Jan into Feb from a few hundred cases to 60,000 cases and then Bam.............. virus cases decline rapidly and die out.

?????????????? Please enlighten us.

South Korea went from 851 cases in a day to 35 in a week.

2u2me · 14-04-2020 10:54PM

cryptocurrency wrote: »

South Korea went from 851 cases in a day to 35 in a week.

This is the part that people go silent on. Mention Taiwan or South Korea and the narrative fails.

cryptocurrency · 14-04-2020 10:58PM

2u2me wrote: »

This is the part that people go silent on. Mention Taiwan or South Korea and the narrative fails.

All of SE and E Asia. They get completely snookered.

Outlaw Pete · 14-04-2020 11:25PM

Venom wrote: »

Head's need to roll in the WHO over their shambolic handling of this crisis.

Trump ripping them asunder tonight. Announced funding to be stalled pending investigations. Also cited their chief condemning the travel restrictions early on.

cryptocurrency · 14-04-2020 11:42PM

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Trump ripping them asunder tonight. Announced funding to be stalled pending investigations. Also cited their chief condemning the travel restrictions early on.

He's just playing politics. WHO are going nowhere.

2u2me · 14-04-2020 11:44PM

cryptocurrency wrote: »

He's just playing politics. WHO are going nowhere.

You can still spank the dog without putting him down. The WHO definitely had a part to play in this crisis.

cryptocurrency · 14-04-2020 11:50PM

2u2me wrote: »

You can still spank the dog without putting him down. The WHO definitely had a part to play in this crisis.

I think the focus should be on explaining the numbers above

maninasia · 15-04-2020 12:15AM

2u2me wrote: »

This is the part that people go silent on. Mention Taiwan or South Korea and the narrative fails.

Taiwan never had community transmission , just minor clusters as it blocked flights from China early on and quarantined incoming people .

15-04-2020 12:44AM

cryptocurrency wrote: »

when does the schools go back

Re China, Middle and High schools are back already. A few universities as test cases, but the vast majority of universities are doing online classes instead.

Not sure what the specifics are with regards the middle/high schools since most schools have a dormitory system, which I can't imagine them rushing to open again. Still, they're heading back to a sense of normality. (Shops/restaurants are open, entertainment venues aren't. I think the big malls are open but limiting entry and such.)

I'm expecting the universities to be back open towards the middle/end of May.

Yurt2 · 15-04-2020 07:09AM

maninasia wrote: »

Taiwan never had community transmission , just minor clusters as it blocked flights from China early on and quarantined incoming people .

Precisely because they were alert to PRC bs.

silverharp · 15-04-2020 07:24AM

The it escaped from a Chinese lab seems to be gaining traction

https://twitter.com/joshrogin/status/1250014680816537601

silverharp · 15-04-2020 07:36AM

mzhou wrote: »

Another obvious fake news. McDonald's is American, do you really think the American brand allows this to happen when they could be sued for million dollars?

That piece of paper is obviously made by someone not working in McDonald's and brought it there to make a video out of it to make it big in twitter and attract attention and cause tension.

you bet wrong on that one

https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1250291466632433665

Yurt2 · 15-04-2020 07:42AM

An American owner of a pizza chain in Guangzhou and Shenzhen has opened up about instructions he has received from the local government not to admit foreigners, and particularly black people, into his restaurants.

Lol, imagine the Gardai showing up at your local Chinese restaurant ordering them not to serve Chinese people.

It would be funny if it wasn't so disturbing.

https://www.instagram.com/p/B--n4FPjBmB/?igshid=1qrkv6q4w3zae

Wibbs · 15-04-2020 09:34AM

This doesn't surprise me one bit. China is quite the xenophobic culture and has been for a very long time. Except when it suited and was controllable, the "foreign" has always been highly suspect. Often for very good reasons to the Chinese mind. They were certainly screwed over by European powers in the past and had many attacks from more local powers on their empire throughout their history. The "barbarians" at the gate was always present. The joke is Africans never screwed them over, nor did Indians, but they're on the bottom of the list of acceptable non Chinese faces, with White Europeans at the top.

Plus political correctness never translated well or much beyond predominately European cultures, and even in those cultures people can forget it's not much more than a generation old. Hell, when I was a kid black and white minstrels were still a thing(Lyons Tea had them in ads), kids had gollywogs and when you eeny, meeny, miny, moe'd you certainly weren't catching tigers by the toe.

15-04-2020 09:56AM

Wibbs wrote: »

This doesn't surprise me one bit. China is quite the xenophobic culture and has been for a very long time. Except when it suited and was controllable, the "foreign" has always been highly suspect. Often for very good reasons to the Chinese mind. They were certainly screwed over by European powers in the past and had many attacks from more local powers on their empire throughout their history. The "barbarians" at the gate was always present. The joke is Africans never screwed them over, nor did Indians, but they're on the bottom of the list of acceptable non Chinese faces, with White Europeans at the top.

Plus political correctness never translated well or much beyond predominately European cultures, and even in those cultures people can forget it's not much more than a generation old. Hell, when I was a kid black and white minstrels were still a thing(Lyons Tea had them in ads), kids had gollywogs and when you eeny, meeny, miny, moe'd you certainly weren't catching tigers by the toe.

All true... however, it's worth considering that the behavior of people stays within the public consciousness for longer periods than it does over here. Since actions by foreigners tends to be monitored by locals, and the gossip mill is extremely active (as they still have a strong community focus), any misbehavior by foreigners is spread quickly.

I said this in another thread but I don't think people here really understand it. White foreigners tend to travel alone and their groups of friends to party with lean more heavily towards a mix of mostly Chinese with a few foreigners. Whereas with Black people or Indians, their own groups tend to be larger (since they travel in groups), and there's usually a token Chinese person, or girls.

Part of the focus is jealousy, since foreigners tend to be more attractive to Chinese women. However, there is also the behavior of many foreigners who will "misbehave" in ways that they would never do in their own countries. They see the way that foreigners can get away with many types of behavior due to a reluctance to speak English by Chinese officials... and they think this means that they have a free pass to cause trouble. When faced with conflict, most white people (due to smaller numbers) try to diffuse the situation, whereas Black people with larger groups, are more likely to get involved in fights.

Racism by Chinese people is definitely a big part of the equation, as is pure ignorance (having no personal experience of foreign culture), but foreigners (especially Africans) have caused a lot of trouble in the past. In Xi'an, they receive most negative attitudes because of dating Chinese women, getting them pregnant, and then leaving the country without facing their responsibility. It's a stereotype, and a matter of collective responsibility, blown out of proportion, but it is what it is.

I'm not seeking to diminish or justify Chinese Xenophobia. Without question, it's there... but, in all honesty, many foreigners have behaved extremely badly in China, and their behavior has left a lasting impression of Chinese people. Some of it is created by Chinese media or the State, but I do know of, at least, a dozen examples where I knew the people involved, and what they did.

It's not simply the case of Xenophobia or racism. In GZ, my expat friends have told me that the Black community was targeted because they refused to follow the containment protocols regarding the virus. No distancing, no masks, hanging around in large groups, along with being offensive to anyone suggesting that they play ball with the regulations. GZ has a long history of swinging moods with regards to racism. Sometimes it's rampant, other times non-existant.. but GZ also has one of the largest concentrations of black people in China.

It's worth thinking about it, and not simply picking the most convenient reason for their hostility.

cryptocurrency · 15-04-2020 10:01AM

silverharp wrote: »

The it escaped from a Chinese lab seems to be gaining traction

https://twitter.com/joshrogin/status/1250014680816537601

Convenient this comes out now but nothing solid and I am not sure of releasing rumours is enough to mop up all that egg all over those chins.

As thye say in Jaws, think you're gonna need a bigger mop.

cryptocurrency · 15-04-2020 10:05AM

Deleted User wrote: »

All true... however, it's worth considering that the behavior of people stays within the public consciousness for longer periods than it does over here. Since actions by foreigners tends to be monitored by locals, and the gossip mill is extremely active (as they still have a strong community focus), any misbehavior by foreigners is spread quickly.

I said this in another thread but I don't think people here really understand it. White foreigners tend to travel alone and their groups of friends to party with lean more heavily towards a mix of mostly Chinese with a few foreigners. Whereas with Black people or Indians, their own groups tend to be larger (since they travel in groups), and there's usually a token Chinese person, or girls.

Part of the focus is jealousy, since foreigners tend to be more attractive to Chinese women. However, there is also the behavior of many foreigners who will "misbehave" in ways that they would never do in their own countries. They see the way that foreigners can get away with many types of behavior due to a reluctance to speak English by Chinese officials... and they think this means that they have a free pass to cause trouble. When faced with conflict, most white people (due to smaller numbers) try to diffuse the situation, whereas Black people with larger groups, are more likely to get involved in fights.

Racism by Chinese people is definitely a big part of the equation, as is pure ignorance (having no personal experience of foreign culture), but foreigners (especially Africans) have caused a lot of trouble in the past. In Xi'an, they receive most negative attitudes because of dating Chinese women, getting them pregnant, and then leaving the country without facing their responsibility. It's a stereotype, and a matter of collective responsibility, blown out of proportion, but it is what it is.

I'm not seeking to diminish or justify Chinese Xenophobia. Without question, it's there... but, in all honesty, many foreigners have behaved extremely badly in China, and their behavior has left a lasting impression of Chinese people. Some of it is created by Chinese media or the State, but I do know of, at least, a dozen examples where I knew the people involved, and what they did.

It's not simply the case of Xenophobia or racism. In GZ, my expat friends have told me that the Black community was targeted because they refused to follow the containment protocols regarding the virus. No distancing, no masks, hanging around in large groups, along with being offensive to anyone suggesting that they play ball with the regulations. GZ has a long history of swinging moods with regards to racism. Sometimes it's rampant, other times non-existant.. but GZ also has one of the largest concentrations of black people in China.

It's worth thinking about it, and not simply picking the most convenient reason for their hostility.

Yeah mud sticks and is hard to shake off. Low quality laowai and sexual dirtbags is another charge that has bothered the laowai community for a long time and has been a hard image to shake off. When you fly in for buisness you can see where the locals get the low rent perception of many of the laowai. Some of the biggest spoofers and losers I've ever met on my international travels were "teachers" in China.

15-04-2020 10:11AM

cryptocurrency wrote: »

Yeah mud sticks and is hard to shake off. Low quality laowai and sexual dirtbags is another charge that has bothered the laowai community for a long time and has been a hard image to shake off. When you fly in for buisness you can see where the locals get the low rent perception of many of the laowai. Some of the biggest spoofers and losers I've ever met on my international travels were "teachers" in China.

I've met worse Student type foreigners... for some (Africans/M.East), a student visa is easier to get than a teaching visa.. and easier to dodge afterwards when it expires. My own university foreign community is mostly from Africa, and there's a lot of dodgy characters, and I've heard the stories from my students about their dating adventures. Might be acceptable in a western university, but a Chinese university is a completely different culture. I live on campus, and I tend to avoid the foreign students because I don't want to be associated with their behavior.

silverharp · 15-04-2020 10:12AM

cryptocurrency wrote: »

Convenient this comes out now but nothing solid and I am not sure of releasing rumours is enough to mop up all that egg all over those chins.

As thye say in Jaws, think you're gonna need a bigger mop.

The Chinese have 2 ways to lose here, a dog ate a bat, and a person ate the dog or the bat, or it escaped from their only Level 4 Biolab located where the outbreak started. The main chinese goal is to deflect blame.

cryptocurrency · 15-04-2020 10:27AM

silverharp wrote: »

The Chinese have 2 ways to lose here, a dog ate a bat, and a person ate the dog or the bat, or it escaped from their only Level 4 Biolab located where the outbreak started. The main chinese goal is to deflect blame.

It is also the main western goal and many are buying it hook, line ande sinker.

How far out do you think Irans deaths are by the way?

They are said to have become completely self sufficient for PPE in a few weeks too.

15-04-2020 10:49AM

cryptocurrency wrote: »

It is also the main western goal and many are buying it hook, line ande sinker.

How far out do you think Irans deaths are by the way?

They are said to have become completely self sufficient for PPE in a few weeks too.

Pretty much. Everyone is going to try finding a scapegoat, because there aren't any acceptable figures for deaths... which means all governments are going to be held responsible unless they can pass the buck somehow. Politicians aren't going to want their careers to be smashed by this regardless of what actually happened.

I'd actually figure Trump will be the big one here pushing the China virus line, because the US administration won't want to take responsibility for not reacting quicker (which they should have)

silverharp · 15-04-2020 10:56AM

cryptocurrency wrote: »

It is also the main western goal and many are buying it hook, line ande sinker.

How far out do you think Irans deaths are by the way?

They are said to have become completely self sufficient for PPE in a few weeks too.

I'd say understating by X4 or X5 , thats their problem, hopefully their population has some kind of revolution after this. Dictatorial regimes dont look good here , except western media seems to have the horn for China to make them look like they are ahead of it all the time.

cryptocurrency · 15-04-2020 11:02AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Pretty much. Everyone is going to try finding a scapegoat, because there aren't any acceptable figures for deaths... which means all governments are going to be held responsible unless they can pass the buck somehow. Politicians aren't going to want their careers to be smashed by this regardless of what actually happened.

I'd actually figure Trump will be the big one here pushing the China virus line, because the US administration won't want to take responsibility for not reacting quicker (which they should have)

Yeah but only idiots buy that. Sadly there is many idiots.

The Chinese Big Lie

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