Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

easypazz · 14-04-2020 06:01PM

hotmail.com wrote: »

The government acted too slow on nursing homes. Staff numbers be dramatically down and this is being kept quiet.

Is HIQA doing any inspections at all now?

Hindsight is great too.

expectationlost · 14-04-2020 06:02PM

if the problem was with invalid results why was it only a problem with german lab results ? surely irish labs would get invalid results too... was there a different route to the texting system? where Irish labs could do a double check before people were texted.

14-04-2020 06:02PM

hotmail.com wrote: »

The government acted too slow on nursing homes. Staff numbers be dramatically down and this is being kept quiet.

Is HIQA doing any inspections at all now?

The HSE recruited all the care assistants at start if crisis,and given difference in pay between public and private,who can blame em

It seems the practice of agency staff maybe working between multiple locations has had diastorous effect

Kermit.de.frog · 14-04-2020 06:05PM

Singapore reports 334 new cases and 1 new death.

It still surprises because everyone was use to Singapore having this completely under control and just like that...

Jim_Hodge · 14-04-2020 06:06PM

Deleted User wrote: »

It seems the practice of agency staff maybe working between multiple locations has had diastorous effect

That seems to have been traced and is a major factor in the nursing homes.

gabeeg · 14-04-2020 06:06PM

easypazz wrote: »

Hindsight is great too.

The same thing happened in China. Loads of nursing home deaths.

They just weren't watching. They were asleep at the wheel.

cnocbui · 14-04-2020 06:06PM

Coronavirus could attack immune system like HIV by targeting protective cells, warn scientists

Researchers in China and the US find that the virus that causes Covid-19 can destroy the T cells that are supposed to protect the body from harmful invaders
One doctor said concern is growing in medical circles that effect could be similar to HIV
...
T lymphocytes, also known as T cells, play a central role in identifying and eliminating alien invaders in the body.

They do this by capturing a cell infected by a virus, boring a hole in its membrane and injecting toxic chemicals into the cell. These chemicals then kill both the virus and infected cell and tear them to pieces.

To the surprise of the scientists, the T cell became a prey to the coronavirus in their experiment. They found a unique structure in the virus’ spike protein that apparently triggered the fusion of a viral envelope and cell membrane when they came into contact.

The virus’s genes then entered the T cell and took it hostage, disabling its function of protecting humans.

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3079443/coronavirus-could-target-immune-system-targeting-protective

hotmail.com · 14-04-2020 06:07PM

easypazz wrote: »

Hindsight is great too.

This was clear from the outset. Nursing homes were the most vulnerable. We seen it happening in Italy and Spain.

This isn't hindsight.

Beasty · 14-04-2020 06:08PM

Iamabeliever wrote: »

Looking good in terms of tests completed -

Well done HSE

Up 20,000 since last week, which is not far off 3,000 a day which is a big jump. That probably explains the hike in numbers testing positive since last Thursday.

The think that's bothering me is our Nursing Home deaths. The UK stats are suggesting 10-15% of deaths outside of hospital environments are being missed from the "official" figures

We have 187 out of 406 deaths in nursing homes. I wonder if some of those in nursing homes should be being transferred to hospital? Having said that it would appear our hospitals are not as overrun as others which may mean there is a better overall quality of care and a better overall outlook

niallo27 · 14-04-2020 06:08PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Singapore reports 334 new cases and 1 new death.

It still surprises because everyone was use to Singapore having this completely under control and just like that...

Your a bundle of optimism. Only one death is brilliant. Come back when they have hundreds.

XsApollo · 14-04-2020 06:09PM

Do they say how many are waiting to be tested?

14-04-2020 06:10PM

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

That seems to have been traced and is a major factor in the nursing homes.

I would know a few care assistants/meals-on-wheels folks

Its a great service,even calling to peoples home for hour or 2,and something we should be proud of

.......but the risks are nuts as regards this virus and its only last week or 2,they have tightened up regulations

(most were doing best to minimise risk,without direction from agency)

igCorcaigh · 14-04-2020 06:10PM

cnocbui wrote: »

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3079443/coronavirus-could-target-immune-system-targeting-protective

That's in vitro though...
Not sure if there is any evidence for this happening in an individual?

Jim_Hodge · 14-04-2020 06:11PM

Beasty wrote: »

Up 20,000 since last week, which is not far off 3,000 a day which is a big jump. That probably explains the hike in numbers testing positive since last Thursday.

The think that's bothering me is our Nursing Home deaths. The UK stats are suggesting 10-15% of deaths outside of hospital environments are being missed from the "official" figures

We have 187 out of 406 deaths in nursing homes. I wonder if some of those in nursing homes should be being transferred to hospital? Having said that it would appear our hospitals are not as overrun as others which may mean there is a better overall quality of care and a better overall outlook

A Medical Officer in the UK said today that he "estimates" nursing home deaths would increase their reported deaths by, conservatively, 50%.

Rvsmmnps · 14-04-2020 06:12PM

where are they testing people? are there test centres set up

wakka12 · 14-04-2020 06:12PM

Doctor on RTÉ said joggers do represent risk of spreading infection to those they run by

Rvsmmnps · 14-04-2020 06:14PM

wakka12 wrote: »

Doctor on RTÉ said joggers do represent risk of spreading infection to those they run by

getting hilarious now

Iamabeliever · 14-04-2020 06:15PM

Rvsmmnps wrote: »

getting hilarious now

Why so funny

Rvsmmnps · 14-04-2020 06:15PM

Iamabeliever wrote: »

Why so funny

hilarious

Beasty · 14-04-2020 06:16PM

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

A Medical Officer in the UK said today that he "estimates" nursing home deaths would increase their reported deaths by, conservatively, 50%.

The ONS came up with figures of 10% which was widely reported in the UK news this morning. They are compiling data from death certificates which lag behind the hospital stats, although they are trying to improve that

Not sure who the "medical officer" would be and if they have any data to support their suggestion. A lot of people (in all countries) have tendencies to pluck figures out of the air if it suits their position

However I do think there are a lot of people in many countries who are not getting into "official" figures because they were never tested

harr · 14-04-2020 06:16PM

Rvsmmnps wrote: »

getting hilarious now

The amount of spitting and Snotting joggers do around here I am not surprised...

Jim_Hodge · 14-04-2020 06:16PM

Rvsmmnps wrote: »

getting hilarious now

Did you watch her explaining the problem? Far from a laughing matter.

ZX7R · 14-04-2020 06:16PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Singapore reports 334 new cases and 1 new death.

It still surprises because everyone was use to Singapore having this completely under control and just like that...

It seems that they were able to do full contract tracing on all cases,looks like most cases are centralised to a McDonald's as the slight increase in the cases

Beasty · 14-04-2020 06:17PM

Rvsmmnps wrote: »

where are they testing people? are there test centres set up

Thought they had 40-50 across the country

Kermit.de.frog · 14-04-2020 06:17PM

niallo27 wrote: »

Your a bundle of optimism. Only one death is brilliant. Come back when they have hundreds.

Not understanding the lag between confirmed cases and deaths are we?

Singapore has one of, if not the best, health provisions in the world. They won't be content with a single death.

It's us who need to focus on Singapore's experience, and the implications here for attempting to relax restrictions.

Ficheall · 14-04-2020 06:17PM

wakka12 wrote: »

Excluding microstates Ireland now has 7th highest level of testing per capita in the world

Also the 7th highest number of cases per capita though...

Jim_Hodge · 14-04-2020 06:18PM

Beasty wrote: »

The ONS came up with figures of 10% which was widely reported in the UK news this morning. They are compiling data from death certificates which lag behind the hospital stats, although they are trying to improve that

Not sure who the "medical officer" would be and if they have any data to support their suggestion. A lot of people (in all countries) have tendencies to pluck figures out of the air if it suits their position

However I do think there are a lot of people in many countries who are not getting into "official" figures because they were never tested

It was the chief medical officer for England. The UK stopped community testing a month ago and only tests in hospitals.

Iamabeliever · 14-04-2020 06:19PM

Rvsmmnps wrote: »

hilarious

Why hilarious

Jim_Hodge · 14-04-2020 06:19PM

Ficheall wrote: »

Also the 7th highest number of cases per capita though...

Yet again, these stats are worthless until all record deaths by the same methods.

Iamabeliever · 14-04-2020 06:20PM

Ficheall wrote: »

Also the 7th highest number of cases per capita though...

Negative Nancy

Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

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